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Cedirc discusses Vergil Ortiz Jr. who faced off against Michael McKinson on August 6 inside the Dickies Arena in Fort Worth, Texas.
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[, Music ]: what up what up? What up good morning? Welcome to the scorecard the boxing scorecard, where i ask people to bring your scorecard and an explanation.
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Make sure you tell a friend to tell a friend this weekend we had a uh welterweight matchup, a wbo international welterweight championship bout between uh virgil, ortiz jr, who is uh only 24 years old and one of the up-and-coming stars at the welterweight division.
He’S right at right at that level, where he’s gon na, why he’s he’s already a um star in his hometown of of texas? But you know as far as the the bigger scene and taking on the biggest fights.
He is right on that level.
He last night he took on the challenger from the uk, mr michael mackinson, who has a record of 22, wins with only two knockouts, so this guy is a as a real boxer.
Um much respect to him.
You know, but yeah i’ve never seen he’s.
He’S only has the eight percent knockout rate ratio good morning, chris peters, what up? What up i’m just gon na get through my little thing here, i’m gon na get through my little thing here and then i’m gon na get to your comments all right chris.
Thank you for joining in.
Thank you for joining in so um yeah, michael matkinson, from the uk um.
He only has two knockouts and one of the one of the one of the knockouts wasn’t even a knockout, because his opponent uh had a torn bicep.
So this literally guy literally, has how many fights 22 fights with only one knockout like he really relies on his boxing skills last night was his only loss, so obviously he’s doing good for his career without power um and must be at excellent.
Last time it was my first time actually studying him like watching him closely, um it’s hard to when you’re, watching someone for the first time and they’re going up against one of the best in the division.
It’S hard to use that as an evaluation but um, but anyway yeah uh, mr ortiz.
You can get the slides up now, mr or mr virgil ortiz um from the usa from texas.
He comes in with a record of 19 wins with his 19 knockouts um.
So similar to nice, similar to what i say about mr better be of at the the light heavyweight division, you know if you, according to the numbers, if you fight virgil, ortiz jr, there is a 100 chance, you’re getting knocked out 100 chance, you’re getting knocked out And ortiz jr already has some some good wins on his record um.
He beat maurice hooker a couple of fights ago like stopped him cleanly um.
He had a tough fight with with that kavaliaskis who dropped terence crawford when, when, when they fought, uh crawford stopped him, but he still, he still dropped him um and just in general, virtu, virgil, ortiz jr is a a a come forward.
Boxer one of the few boxers from this generation who consistently keeps his hands up both hands up.
Of course, sometimes he’ll kind of keep that lead head down just a little bit just to kind of draw you in, but it seems you know, 90 of the other fighters these days.
Try to adapt that to that mayweather style.
You know you got ta really perfect, that to do it like that um, so yeah, there’s really no reason to to.
Of course we scored the fight um, it stopped.
The the the results from the fight was a ninth round stoppage for uh virgil, ortiz jr.
I thought it would come a lot early like the fourth round, what up david chase? I see your comment.
There give me one second to go through my scorecard, then i’ll get to the comments um.
What i was expecting because mr matkinson only has because mr mackinson only has two fights people call me right now, because mr matkinson only has two knockouts out of all of his fights.
I figured he he even, but he was still undefeated.
I figured he’d be able to box his way for a few rounds, but because because virgil ortiz is an aggressive fighter and he what he didn’t have to worry about any punch resistance, uh, um or power.
Obviously, from his opponent he would he’d be able to come forward even faster than he normally does so i was, i was expecting a fourth round stoppage for um for mr ortiz, but mr matkinson showed showed why he was.
Why he’s? Why he’s undefeated why he was undefeated, even though he doesn’t have power, because he was boxing very good, at least for the first two rounds.
I gave him uh, let’s go through the scorecard real quick.
I gave uh mac actually the first two rounds.
My quick notes – mac was busier, landed more looked like ortiz this for the first round, looked like ortiz was sizing him up as um and as the underdog you have to fight like the way that mackenzie was was fighting um, let’s see if he can keep this Up is what i wrote for this first round second round.
I also gave to mackinson mack good, but slowing down already um, only two knockouts, you know no power so midway through the second round.
You could already see that um ortiz was already extending or putting extra pressure, knowing that he didn’t have to worry about anything.
Coming back at him round three round three from round three on, i gave to uh to to ortiz, but this is the thing, even though i gave all the rounds of ortiz yeah.
I put this picture up specifically with boots ennis, because this would be interesting, massive right there, ortiz versus boos ennis.
Let me know your in your in the comments i’ll get to those in one second uh, our gabe ortiz round three and the rest of the fight.
Ortiz starting to punish him nothing to worry about with no power round four uh ortiz, clearly in charge, max coaches are actually giving him yeah.
That’S the other thing too.
I said max.
Coaches are actually giving him too much instructions.
They told him like 10 different things.
Here’S one thing: when you’re in a corner when i’m coaching boxers not just me but in general you only have one minute: you only have 60 seconds the boxer they’re trying to catch their breath.
You can’t be like all right step to the side.
Do this.
Do that when he does this, you can’t give 15 different instructions as they’re trying to catch your breath and drink water when they, when, when your boxer comes back to the corner, let them give them five to ten seconds to cast your breath.
First, then, you give them the water, then you give the instructions, and it’s only two or three basic instructions.
There’S no way.
They’Re gon na make 15 different adjustments in that, in that 60 seconds, all you need is two or three specific fundamental uh um things to to change.
If there’s anything to change things that you worked on, not just any anything new all right.
That was my thing about max coaches round five mac doing good things, but he doesn’t have the respectable power to keep ortiz off of him.
This is what i mean.
This is how matkinson was able to last, at least to the ninth round, because the way he was boxing as i got the highlights up here, the way that he was boxing.
He was actually doing good things from his south proposition like everything that you’re supposed he was trying.
He was trying to keep his outside foot to the outside of ortiz, throwing a straight left right hook.
Spinning to the side like he was doing all the things that you’re you’re supposed to do against against a pressure fighter like ortiz.
It’S just that he didn’t have respectable power for ortiz to to make ortiz slow down.
So you know that that that pressure was just slowly getting to him getting to him and eventually, but he lasted the ninth round.
That’S that’s again! That just shows max boxing skills because he ortiz again, 19 wins 19 stoppages.
This guy doesn’t have any power and he still almost lasted the fight with him.
Three quarters of the fight round, six mack actually did better in survival mode, but ortiz, but i still gave it to ortiz.
Mac did good in that sixth round.
If you guys remember that round, seven again, mac is actually boxing good.
If he had power, this beat what this would be.
A problem for ortiz um ortiz’s coats are mad, i’m assuming they thought he would get him out here by now.
Yeah exactly see in round seven my notes for round seven um ortiz’s coaches in the corner.
They were actually mad at him for, for letting for letting mac uh stay into the fight.
They actually got mad at him for a bit telling him.
I couldn’t hear clearly because it was like two three people talking the same time, but the one main guy you could just see it in his facial expressions.
He’S like what are you doing like cut off the ring? Don’T just stand there and let him catch you da da.
So, like i said you know, mac was doing good.
He doesn’t have the power to keep him off round eight um.
He dropped him.
Oh yeah round.
Eight is when uh ortiz dropped mack with a body shot um, you didn’t see it coming.
It wasn’t hard, but mac didn’t brace for and that’s for anything like if anybody out there if you’ve played sportsy everyone’s been winded right by accident um.
But the thing is is why it’s help you like, if you, if i tell you right now, i’m going to punch you in your stomach as hard as as hard as i can before you’re going to stand there and brace for it but like if you don’t See it coming if you’re just looking in another direction and someone just walks up and blasts you in the stomach.
Those are the ones that uh that take your air out.
So my whole point of that, when you’re in you’re, when you’re boxing, you have your hands up like this hands up here and you don’t see that body shot coming down boom.
Those are ones that take all your air out.
That’S exactly what happened to matkinson, because it wasn’t even it even looked it didn’t look like like um like ortiz, threw the punch that hard or even sat down.
It’S just the way that just because he threw it so fast and not expected, um mac didn’t see it coming and in round round nine, which i probably would have stopped in the eighth round.
Um.
You know you guys know me, i’m safety first um i i would have i wouldn’t even let matt come out for that ninth round.
He was there’s no way he was going to win the fight.
Ortiz was just punishing him more.
The only reason why they let him out for that ninth round was for his pride and and in sport like fighting mma.
You know you know, fighters have a lot of pride, you got ta, save them, save them for the next day and the rest of their life, not just the sport.
So you know, coaches have to remember.
This is why you got to remember.
You have to have a coach that that is more concerned with your life than your career, because a coach, that’s more concerned with your career and your legacy is going to.
Let you take those extra punches for the crowd.
You know, because it’s exciting for the crowd and there’s still a puncher’s chance that you might come back anyways.
That was my little rant about safety first um.
So what is next? What is next, for mr ortiz um, real, quick too i’m gon na get uh not yet you can keep this one going right here.
Keep these slides going! I’M gon na talk about the blair, cobb and maurice hooker fighting the second, but you can keep these slides on here.
I’M going to get to the comments right now.
What up? What up? What up chris peters, going down to the bottom um tito would be um tito, i’m assuming you’re talking with ortiz tito would be best at uh, w welterweight.
In my opinion, we know tito was knocked down on several occasions as a welter, but he was able to get up back back up and stop these opponents as well have trouble with guys, like he’d, have trouble with guys like spence, um yeah.
Of course, you know you find the best the spence you mean spence versus ortiz junior, of course.
That would be crazy, because spence has a relentless jab.
Spence also has relentless body attack and ortiz.
Doesn’T really you don’t really see him fighting backwards, a lot, so that definitely would be interesting.
Um chris peters also says boots and crawford, no doubt maybe even young ortiz, but i think he’d find a way to win.
Like he’s done in the past.
Uh yeah yeah interesting, i mean, like i said man boots.
You know, you know my thing about boost n is i he definitely 100 passes the eye test right um.
He definitely passes the eye test and he has stepped up in competition and there and looks good.
So far, let him keep stepping up in competition first before we just crown him at the same level as crawford and and and uh and spence, because one thing i remind people the way the as good as as boost ennis is looking is looking right now in His fights you guys have to remember five years ago five years ago, crawford and spence were looking just as good when they were fighting that caliber of opponents back then, you know now they’ve moved on when you’re fighting the best of the best in the world.
Those are all going to be close fights, even if you’re winged they’re still going to be close somewhat close.
So people forget the highlights again.
The way that boots is looking right now is the way that crawford and and and spence were looking when they were fighting.
Those caliber fighters – that’s why they’re talking about at their level right now, moving on mr david chase good morning, uh, hopefully one of the sanctioning bodies makes a virgil makes, makes virgil a mandatory or gives him a final eliminator.
Um gb doesn’t have anything to keep him busy with, in the meantime, who’s gb she be doing, but yeah virgil ortiz a mandatory for who for for crawford or spence.
I mean i guess so.
I mean he’s 19-0 right now.
Um.
He only has a.
He has a wbo belt.
You know how about a bigger name, fight like someone that, with with a a named opponent, you know, like i said, mac was good undefeated only two knockouts.
Let’S, let’s see him against someone that can um.
You know that he would have to really be careful against which he has before, like i said, he beat maurice hooker a couple of fights ago like convincingly.
He also stopped joe vasquez uh in his last match, who who, who had a tough one with terence crawford? So you know ortiz he’s been tested already um, but uh.
Let’S see him, let’s see him keep moving on up 19-0 right now, couple more fights um.
What else you say here about tito.
I think crawford and spence have have skill and technique to outbox tito um, yep, o-l-o-o-l-d-h, outbox tito and then ran away last few rounds.
He laid the blueprint, crawford and spence have the skill and technique.
I agree with that part.
I’M just confused with the um with the abbreviations, who’s o-l-d-h, but definitely crawford and spence again this that’s what i was just mentioning: they have.
They definitely have the skills to to keep up with him not to keep up with him.
But it’s a question: if ortiz’s pressure would be able to, if he’d be able to maintain that against crawford and spence, with their accurate counter-punching skills um mr tyler lee.
What up? What up good stoppage always seems like he’d get him eventually.
Mackinson did okay overall, too, not the best to watch as he was never going to win, but he didn’t roll over easily yeah.
Exactly that’s what i mean.
I was expecting fourth round stoppage for ortiz, but um mack isn’t lasted to the ninth round because of his skills and, like i said, the things that he was doing, the things that he was doing were good.
He just didn’t have enough respectable power to keep ortiz off of him.
What else you got to say, tyler he’ll, probably get more fights.
You can see why you can see why domestic level british fighters have never really fancied fighting him he’s good at that level.
Just not world level uh yeah yeah.
I could definitely see that, like i said with his skills, he could beat almost anyone out there.
Just not knock him out.
Um zev was in here earlier posting his thoughts at 9.
15.
I don’t think cedric sees all those early opinions.
Zev did i miss your your opinion down there, my bad, my bad chris was the first one oscar de la hoya yeah.
That was going to be my my guess.
Yes, yes, yes, oscar de la hoya, one of the greats one of the hall of famers, one of the greatest fighters of all time, especially at that welterweight division.
Um fought all the best about all the best that uh at his um in his era.
So let me go back to what you said about him oscar though oscar de la hoya out boxed tito and then ran away the last few rounds.
He laid the proofread.
Yes, yes, yes, you know what that fight too um with oscar de la hoya and tito trinidad, it’s a little bit of of de la hoya’s, corner’s fault too, because in between rounds they were telling him that he’s winning the fight and he can just coast it Now they’re the ones that told them to relax and and to and to move around um.
So i you know, i always tell my boxers man, like i mean everyone’s heard, to say you know, never, never, leave it in the hands of the judges.
Of course, every boxer every boxer wishes and hopes that you know all their fights can end in in a knockout but um in a close fight in a close fight.
You have to do your best to to make it not close and just land a little bit more, sometimes when, when a box will come back to the corner, sometimes the box will come back to the corner.
Okay, i’ll check it um a box will come back to the corner and say to me: hey: do you think i won that round and i’ll look at them and i’ll say: listen, i’m not the judge, it doesn’t matter.
Even if i think you won the round.
I’M not the person that’s deciding if you’re winning or if you’re going to win or lose.
So it doesn’t matter what i think you just have to make it more clear.
So, as a coach, you know, even if you think your your fighter is winning you’re doing well, you shouldn’t just say like i: i should you shouldn’t just tell them that they can coast it, especially in a 12-round fight when it’s um, you know at the championship Level um, even if even if you believe your fighter is clearly winning, you should still tell them not to take it off the gas pedal, but you know maybe put it in in cruise control, but definitely not take your foot off the gas pedal um.
You want to make it clear, like unanimous, um, so yeah yeah yeah, so next up for virgil ortiz, i don’t know man, that’s um, there’s a lot of options for a lot of options for them all right, all right, all right that was um i’ll, come back To this um, if there’s any more questions about this fight, we’ll come back to it.
Now i want to touch on briefly, is uh the co-main event or the it wasn’t.
The coleman event, the flight right before that you could put the other slides up when you get a chance to eric.
It was blair the flare club versus mr maurice hooker um.
This was actually a another, a step up, fight for blair cobb.
Those of you that know mr blair club he’s bringing that the wrestling the wrestling vibe into boxing in all of his interviews.
You know he’s he’s he’s taking up that the stone cold, steve austin persona with the leather, the leather cut off, cut off sleeve jacket, wearing it to the ring and the way he talks on the microphone he’s very animated, calling out everybody.
Just like it’s like old school wrestling, and you know what he fights that way too.
That’S why i always say man.
I don’t mind like the guys that that talk trash as long as you as long as you fight the way that you talk.
I will you know, i respect that.
I respect that he fights the way he talks right.
A lot of guys, you know, do a lot of talking in the press conference and then they get caught in the fight and all of a sudden, it’s a different story, but he’s still bringing it um blair club blair, cobb.
His last match was against alex rocha, which he lost.
He got stopped um and then this is this.
This fight against maurice hooker was another tough fight.
I actually think maurice hooker is a better fighter than alex rocha um.
What do you guys think in the comments? What do you guys think in the comments um? Oh ortiz pick in there um whatchamacallit.
What do you guys think in the comments about uh the the blair club and maurice hooker fight um yeah? This is this picture right here.
This plays it all the way he’s talking the whole time.
The whole press conference he’s talking the whole time, maurice hooker’s, just playing it cool he’s chilling playing it cool um and when it came out to fight, then there’s a few things.
A few x factors that uh that might be involved in maurice hooker’s life, that uh was the result in his performance last night.
The result of the fight wasn’t was in a loss for maurice hooker, a big win for blair, the claire blair, the flare cobb, and this was also in um.
I believe they said this was in in maurice hooker’s, hometown of texas, too.
I know he had a few outside things going on someone close to him passed away.
I know it was a family member or a business partner.
He had its rfp someone on his short, so rest in peace to that person.
Maybe that was heavy on his mind.
Um, but he did not look like the same maurice hooker that we’ve seen in the past definitely not definitely not coming out in the first round um.
I didn’t score this one.
I was.
I didn’t score this one.
I was just relaxing watching it um, but uh.
He got dropped, he looked like just in general.
He just looked like he was hesitating for some reason.
Blair, the flare was was moving doing a lot of good lateral movement popping a few good straight punches.
He was never stationary blair klopp.
He was never stationary.
He was always moving around maurice hooker.
He owned the center of the ring like he.
What he did was just stay in the center and just pivot, around pivot, around to where to where to where cobb was going and just popping his jab out there.
He was maurice was throwing his jabba there, but not nowhere near enough like it was.
It was a very um strange performance.
Again, i don’t.
I don’t know what’s going on in in his outside uh what was going on during training camp? I know he came in and was three pounds overweight, three pounds – i usually you know sometimes guys miss weight by you know just a a quarter of a pound or just one pound at the most.
But you come in three pounds: overweight.
I don’t know um.
You know you have a couple of months, or you know at least weeks, no, they knew they probably know they knew this about this fight for at least two months, and you know you coming in overweight – i don’t know, i don’t know that shows a little a Lack of focus in training, camp in training, camp um or something um sports culture gaming.
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I will double check that i’ll, try to double check that as i’m here now, but um going back to the to the going back to this fight here: um [, Music ].
So what what do you guys? What is next for blair the flare club? This is also at uh.
I believe this is that 147 right.
Yes, it was because he’s uh he’s quick to to call out all the top guys, so this was a big win for blair klopp to get back in into the to the win column.
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What is your comments about last night’s fights about um right now? I’M talking about blair, cobb and maurice hooker how this was an upset win for for blair, cobb, um and much respect to him too, because he he didn’t.
You know this most guys after they take a a tough loss like that.
You usually usually fight someone either at the same level or a little bit lower.
You know to get your confidence back up before you before you get back to that level.
Blair club, he had a very tough loss in his last match against alex rocha and actually this he took this fight against maurice hooker.
I actually think this was a step up.
Fight, like i think, maurice hugger is way better, maybe not way better, but i think he’s a he’s, a better fighter than um than uh than alex rocha.
So that’s what i was that’s why i was expecting maurice hooker to to to win this one.
But i was wrong.
I was wrong.
Um there were a lot of fights last night called yes conlan.
I missed that one.
Someone fill me in someone filled me in about uh mick condon cause his last match um when he got stopped um that last match, when he got stopped, was a close one.
Um he got stopped badly.
It was a bad stoppage, but um yeah, yeah yeah.
I was, i was kind of concerned about how he would come back from that one, even though he was winning uh.
I can’t remember my scorecard for that one, but it was close.
I remember watching that one um, so someone filmed me and how uh what was uh, how did how did connor look in in his fight last night? If you look at blair the flare knocked down his opponent here, um, what else we got what else we got? What is next, for maurice hooker? That’S the big question.
I don’t know man like again boxing boxing is not a sport where you could be half in and half out.
You know in other sports when, when, if you’re a half in and a half out, for example, baseball or something like that, you know you can you could turn into a we call it that’s the designated hitter.
All you have to do is all you have.
Is one job just go and hit a couple of times and go sit your ass back on the bench? You have to worry about nothing else, right, support like boxing there’s, no there’s, no half stepping you can’t be half in and half out.
We all! You know.
There’S, i guess, keeping keeping your focus during training is a skill because everybody has something going on in their outside life.
There’S, never you know, there’s not a fighter box or mma fighter that you know probably has absolutely zero stress going on in their life during their training camp.
You know everyone.
Everyone has something going on uh during their training camp, so i think mentally.
It takes a skill to be able to maintain your focus and honestly, i honestly believe it’s a skill to a mental skill that uh that certain athletes have, i said, boxers and mma fighters, but not just athletes in general, at the at the highest level, whether whether You’Re, a high level amateur or a high level professional athlete in whatever sport um.
It takes a lot of mental focus and it’s a skill to be able to block out any outside stresses that you have and to to to focus on on the task at hand.
Um the whole point of bringing that up is just that.
I think that’s that what was going on in maurice hooker’s life uh the reason why he didn’t look as comfortable as he did last night in his match.
Like i said he had rp to someone on the shorts and he came in three pounds: overweight.
You know even looking at his body, you know he didn’t.
He didn’t really look like ripped like he usually does.
So, obviously he didn’t have the best training camp um.
You know he had both one of the best coaches and best boxers in his corner, um in beaumac and terence crawford bowmak is terence crawford’s coach um, but it just goes to show you that you know you could have the best coaches and the best.
That’S helped.
All the best help in the world, but when you’re inside that boxing ring you’re in there by yourself right, you’re in there by yourself, one-on-one and it’s you’re you’re accountable for yourself.
So that’s that’s! You know.
If you got outside stuff going on, maybe see a a sports psychologist, that’s the new thing in this past couple years, maybe see a sports psychologist just to help with the mental side of your uh of your competitions uh good morning, mr mr nick, mr nick lischman, Your comment is virgil, made weight and went nine, so i think he can hang around 147 for a year.
I wish the wbc would order thurman versus ortiz jr.
If keith don’t want that which i’m sure he doesn’t, then let’s get avenisian fight or ugas.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, um ortiz versus thurman, ortiz versus storm, everyone’s calling out thurman these days, danny garcia, wants thurman um.
Well, i guess ortiz is not calling him out, but i definitely that that definitely would be a very interesting fight.
Uh, a crossroads fight for both fighters, crossovers fight for ortiz, if ortiz, if ortiz, looks, beats thurman and looks the way he looks against most of against all of his other fights that he stopped ortiz.
His name should be right up there on that on that pound.
For pound list, which is subjective, you know it’s a everyone’s own opinion, there’s not a specific um there’s, not a specific uh uh description on how to get on anyone’s pound for poundless, but as far as one of the talking about the top fighters in all of Boxing he he let me not jump the gun, he wouldn’t be up up there, but he definitely would be on his way or close to breaking in that top 10 pound-for-pound list.
Um.
You asked about avenisian fight or august.
You know what let’s get that avenesian fight.
Next, maybe let’s get that avenessian fight next um, what what is going on with ugh? That was his eyes.
He had a broken eye.
Socket uh, um earl spence broke his eye sock in their last fight.
Let him let him heal first, make sure he’s good um.
Let him rest up a little bit, maybe give him a, maybe give him a a tune-up, give it get his confidence back up and then um and go from there um, so yeah so yeah yeah, yeah, virgil, ortiz, he’s looking and like i said, the one thing That i do appreciate about virgil, ortiz um, one of the few boxers from this generation that actually keeps his hands up consistently.
He does move around, of course, with that with that and drops that lead hand a little bit, but still like he only healey does that for a little bit and gets his hands right back up and is coming in coming in for the for the seek and Destroy so shout out to virgil, ortiz jr, another impressive win last night and um and there you have it um, i’m as i’m talking right now.
I am trying to look up the schedule for next week.
I got it in my emails.
I should have had it ready what else? What else you guys want to talk about about the fights last night um where, where so, i guess that was all 147.
, would any would virgil, ortiz, jr fight uh flight, like blair, blair cobb? Would that be an option or no not yet i mean they’re, both they’re, both at uh they’re.
Both at that level, i guess burger t’s, not virgil.
Ortiz is looking for something bigger he’s at the same time, he’s only 19 wins.
You know, he’s still he’s.
Looking very good he’s still only 19 wins, though, so i don’t know, maybe a couple more fights actually yeah, but blair club would be a good good fight for both of them, because a blair klopp could pull up that upset.
That would get his name he’d.
Oh, my gosh, if you think, blair kopp talks a lot of trash now if he beat if he beat any any any if he beat like virgil or trees, junior or any of the guys that people are saying are the next ones up he’d be talking even A a lot more uh scheduled schedule, schedule uh next, i know in two weeks we got anthony joshua and um and and usyk um.
What are you guys? Thoughts about that because uh i i’m gon na go with usic, i’m gon na go with usic um.
You can take the uh the slides back off now here, i’m gon na go with usyk with the with the win again, i just don’t think.
I don’t think that that uh, that joshua is going to be able to do it um just simply using skills.
He just has those skills man.
He just has those skills.
I know anthony joseph has changed.
Trainers he’s with uh robert garcia now um, but i don’t think that will make a difference in in in usyk, robert garcia is gon na gon na have him.
I guess the one thing is how how much more cardio does anthony joshua have, because robert garcia is gon na, have he’s gon na have um he’s gon na have anthony joshua coming forward, trying to go for the knockout.
You can take that slides out now.
Er at the robert garcia is gon na.
Have anthony joshua coming forward hard, trying to being aggressive.
Trying to stop us he’s just going to try to have him use his size against them.
He’S not going to try to outbox him.
Anthony joshua is not going to outbox him because here’s the thing yes they, both they both won gold medals at the olympics, but uh.
You know, there’s levels to this anthony joshua won his gold medal.
Similar to.
I was saying how deontay walder deontay wilder won his gold medal um with with pure power.
Obviously you have to have skills at that level, but it was is more of the fear, the their opponents fear of their power that helped them.
That was the main reason that guided them towards their olympic gold medals or sorry joshua won a bronze anthony wilder won a bronze anthony joshua won a gold medal.
Um usyk won his gold medal at the olympics from pure skills um, even as a big man.
There’S uh, you guys are familiar, obviously with arthur, better, be of who was one of the champions.
Well, him and usyk fought when they were when they were amateurs, and they bought this crazy because they both have similar.
They both have the exact style that they have right now and and usyk beat better biev with the same way just, but he didn’t hurt him around like that, just by outboxing and moving him left to right, lateral movement and just simply simply out boxing him.
So i think that’s what’s gon na happen with joshua and uh anthony joshua and who’s taking two weeks, i think usyk skills are just you know.
People people were calling me crazy.
When i said this years ago, i said usyk is the next evander holyfield.
The reason why i say this is because they both had the exact same career path.
They both won gold medals at the at the olympics at the light heavyweight division.
They both moved on to their professional careers and cleaned out.
The the cruiserweight division clearly clearly cleaned it out.
They both moved on to the heavyweight division and have looked good usyk’s first match at the heavyweight division was a little shaky.
It was a little shaky.
I freaked out.
I forget the dude that he fought, but he didn’t look the best in his very first appearance at the heavyweight division um then he goes and beats anthony, joshua again off of pure boxing skills.
So uh, that’s what i’m expecting to happen in two weeks.
That’S what i’m expecting to happen in two weeks.
I still can’t find who’s fighting next week um, but, of course you know i’ll be back with um with the scorecard.
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