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EPISODE: Episode 12
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[, Music ], damn uh, [, Music, ], hello, boxing fans around the world thanks for joining us once again here on the friday night boxing panel uh joining us shortly, will be mike orr, uh, cedric ben.
I’M sure popping in.
I believe that natalie sugar brown’s pop in and of course, tim weatherspoon, will be joining us as soon as we allow him all right.
So mike we got a big fight coming up in the name of joe joyce and i’m sure we’ve got some others on the plate to talk about what you got.
Oh well, i’m just uh, i’m just starting off here.
Uh we got we.
We got lots of stuff.
Actually, we got two world-class boxing events that will stream live and exclusively in the us on espn, plus this saturday uh.
The action kicks off down under in the early morning, hours at 5, 00 a.
m, guys 5 a.
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Eastern time as ibf cruiserweight world champion, marius bridus defends his title against undefeated contender, jai opitia at gold coast convention center wow.
This is going to be a big one, guys yeah, i’m super excited for this one.
The action continues from the ovo arena wembley in london.
At 2pm eastern time as undefeated, heavyweight contender and 2016 olympic silver medalist, joe joyce defends his wbc silver and wbo international belts in the 12-round main event against christian hammer, uh breidas who’s 28 and one with 20 ko’s.
A native of latvia has won five bouts since losing a razor thin decision to alexander usic in january 2018.
, 20 uh.
This 37 year old puncher won the ibf belt in the september of 2020, with a majority decision over uh dortokus uh then defended it last october.
Uh in with riga, with a third round tko over arthur mann opitia, who is 21-0 with 17 kos, a 2012 australian olympian from sydney has fought most of his career in australia.
Uh, the 26 year old has knocked out his last three foes and is taking a major step up against burritus, so guys be on the lookout for this action.
It’S gon na be a good one.
I’M super excited to watch it uh, but in another action man we got isaac hardman taking on beau, hertes uh and this one’s for ten.
This is ten rounds in the middleweight.
We also got dana coolwell versus lorenz la dorada uh, this one’s an eight-round featherweight.
We there’s there’s a bunch of good fights um.
You guys want to watch on this card for sure it’s going to be uh, going to be pretty exciting man.
I’M super excited for this joyce hammer.
Let’S talk about it! What do you like about this one? Graham? I like the fact that uh, when uh christian hammer was in the press conference, he didn’t he didn’t deny the fact that he was unprepared for his last fight.
He was called up on short notice, took the fight anyway took a beating uh, but i think he’s ready this time.
I think i think it’s going to be a good good.
A good fight he was gone, took the fight anyway, no [ Laughter, ] wow.
Then i didn’t know that i didn’t know that you could uh throw your voice like that.
That’S pretty cool [, Laughter, ] wow.
It sounds horrible.
Yes, uh! It’S gon na be a good one.
I’M super excited for it: lots of action, man, lots of action, yeah yep um.
Do you want to discuss the undercard yeah yeah, i’m just i’m just bringing it up right now, we’ll talk about it.
We got.
You know the christian hammer, joe joyce uh undercard.
Here we go: let’s uh.
Let’S talk about these young kids, man up and coming uh.
We have mark chamberlain uh, who i was supposed to be talking about uh this week, but i unfortunately was unable to um he’s 10-0, this one’s for the vacant international boxing federation.
European light title and he’s going up against mark vidal, who is thirteen two and five, so this one guys the other looking for this one.
This is a good fight.
Uh, you know mark chamberlain 10-0 in the light division.
Definitely a prospect who to be watching right now so guys make sure that you tune in and catch the undercard of the joe joyce christian hammer card man, and you can find that on the united kingdom, bt sports uh also up for you know for a great Title fight that is nathan, haney versus neiser, trimech uh, this one’s for the ibo international middle title and then right hand is pulled out.
Your man, oh who’s, that there who’s that we have our man girl, joined us, so navy, navy dean is pulled out due to injury.
Oh has he really darn.
That’S unfortunate exclusive from the uk.
Excuse me all right, then.
So thanks, thank you girl.
What about jason? Cunningham he’s still on this card.
Yep yeah gon na be a good thought that very good that one, i’m definitely looking forward to man, that one’s for the ibf international super phantom title and the commonwealth super phantom title.
Uh can’t wait to see this man.
This can be a good card, this one’s starting, i believe what two o’clock eastern standard time yeah, that, let me just do the math so late at night yeah.
I think that feels about right mike yeah, yeah yeah.
I know 2 p.
m.
Yeah yeah! We got it 2 p.
m.
Eastern standard time, guys, if you’re uh, i’m looking to have some fun watch that time, my out of interest.
What time does that greatest fight start? Where you are because it’s one thing i mean yeah: 5.
P.
M: 5.
A.
M! For us, yeah! Yeah yeah, it’s put together time zone works in my favor for once yeah yeah for really yeah.
So we got these uh.
We got these two great cards man to get underway this weekend, um yeah greatest 5 a.
m.
That’S gon na be an early one for everybody out there, so guys set your alarms and then try and get your butts up man and try and watch it because i definitely will be.
I definitely will be up watching this one for sure.
Well, i think that fight is a gateway, some bigger fights for bradys yeah.
Definitely definitely so.
What else do we want to talk about? Those are the fights we touched on for the weekend.
Um yeah any uh anything exciting going on over in your side of the world carl yeah.
One thing i think you should touch on that.
I’M surprised you’ve not is that liam smith has signed for boxer.
Oh my gosh, that’s excellent yeah! So he’s been announced today.
This afternoon in the uk, so he signed a multi-fight deal with ben shalom, sky and boxer and the first part that’s rumored to be lined up is versus chris bank eubank jr at one sixth day, oh wow wow, that’s gon na be good.
Well, what hey carl? Well, i got you on the phone here.
What what are your comments regarding this uh lawsuit between pro bellam and boxer? Very interesting, isn’t it.
I wouldn’t want to comment too much but um.
I think we’ll just let you see how it plays out graham they’re, both in the similar part of the market.
Aren’T they in terms of boxing they’re, both trying to establish themselves so um yeah, it’s interesting viewing from afar.
It really is um, i’m not a lawyer.
So um, i don’t know how it’s gon na go.
What are your thoughts? [, Music, ] um in terms of uh, the letters that were sent to, i believe the uh boxers that are on the boxer list of the i think that did defame the name.
Uh of pro-bellum um, so it it’ll be interesting to see what the court decision is.
But what i was curious about is how it might impact um all these young boxers and their view of uh.
These two new independent companies that were growing quite successfully, certainly in the uk uh, but pro bellum, had a really good strategy of moving around the world and working with other companies more so than boxer per se, but um it’s it’s.
I just think it’s bad news for boxers and boxing uh i mean one interesting point is graham that if you look at rebellion’s board of directors and who sits on the board some very influential individuals from other parts of business, so um it’s interesting to see it Plays out because the top of other industries, so you don’t get there by being a walkover, do you so? I think he’s gon na.
I think he’s gon na be quite a fierce court battle.
To be honest, i hope it’s not too late.
I think it’ll be a long one.
I think it’ll be a long one, but i hope it’s not too lengthy.
Well, okay, there is the time to mtk i mean that’s real um uh.
What the u.
s treasury department is going to do at mtk is is going to affect the boxing industry, because there’s whether whether or not uh pro bellum truly was tied at some senior level in terms of the financing they received at the outset, that might impact the Judge’S decision um and might substantiate the claims um you know, because would you really want your fighters associated with fighters associated with gangsters um? You know i mean it’s going to have a trickle-down effect.
I just wondered what your comments were.
Uh mine have already been recorded on my boxing news show um, but i just thought there might be yeah.
I think it’s going to impact the uk boxers more so than other global outfits.
It’S going to be interesting to see how uh the zone continues to work.
The u.
s market with matchroom, because it doesn’t seem like that top rank or mayweather, uh or or pvc, are gon na gon na want to work continually with matchroom and eddie herrera, specifically, there seems to be some bad blood uh brewing there.
So this is.
This is just bad news for the boxing industry at the outset, uh we had commented a year and a half ago uh that some of these issues needed to be addressed and they still haven’t.
As a matter of fact, i would argue they’re getting worse um, but it does make room for new players in the industry.
Quite frankly, another important that i’d like to raise would be great while we’re talking to each other.
It’S been a while, graham hasn’t it.
It’S been a while it hasn’t been yeah.
Yes, what what’s your take on the zone in the uk, because you’re starting to emerge fighters? Aren’T there if you think about liam smith, leaving you know other, let’s say fighters who maybe not topping the agenda for the zone? I think they could have a real battle on the run to keep fighters at the zone because obviously they put all their eggs in one basket.
I don’t know if that translates into canadian speech, but you know there’s definitely a challenge here for the zone to keep all them fighters up at upper yeah.
Definitely yeah um.
I i think i think matthew has done well.
Uh securing upper-level female fighters, for example, and uh growing that side of the sport without a doubt, i’m not going to say they’ve done so flawlessly, but i’m sure if natalie or sheila were with us on the show.
They would argue that matthew moreso than any other promoter has done a really good job of signing some some good good top ranked top ranked female fighters, jess mccaskill, ebony bridges, yeah and to improve dessert.
So they they got a whack of really good female fighters uh.
But have they been able to secure the same quality of fighters from the upper upper echelons of the the male divisions? I don’t think so.
Not yet and then uh is auntie and joshua is auntie joshua actually going to win that fight.
I don’t think so.
That was my next question.
That was my next question, so i i personally think anthony joshua’s going to win the next fight against who said i’m.
You know, i’m not there’s not many people on my side over here in the uk if he doesn’t, if he doesn’t.
Where does he go from here, though? Well, he’s in it’s in one interesting point for me was the tv rights that the saudi arabians have actually brought for the first fight.
So i can do this big launch aj’s exclusive to the zone, but then hold on a minute.
Sorry, not for the first fight.
It’S not it’s.
You know it could well land on sky in the uk because you’re in a bit allegedly in a bit of a bidding war, then it’s sky in the zone about who’s going to get the tv rights, so that could be another own goal.
Well, just on the tv rights issue, uh hi, tim uh, there’s a there’s, a very big uh discussion, going on, certainly in north america, with respect to how expensive the zone is compared to how relatively inexpensive it is in the uk, yeah like we were expecting, we Paid seven: ninety seven pounds: ninety nine in the uk yeah we paid like seventy anywhere from seventy five to ninety dollars, even a hundred dollars um, and it really doesn’t matter on the quality of the fight uh.
At the end of the day, that’s an awful lot of money for a fight night, so i don’t really think that pricing structure works for um your average fan of boxing in north america.
I can’t really say anything: i don’t pay anything anyway.
I can’t.
I can’t really comment on the price man.
I don’t pay to watch if i watch them for free i’ll, be interested in getting to get tuesday to get tim’s, take on the use it versus aj fight and how you think he’s gon na play out him.
I don’t really know, i don’t really know, but i do know that they could have.
They could have really solved this problem in the first fight and they would have that to me the management, the managers and uh and the promoters they have to uh.
They got to be in this game too.
They got to know what you know, how the guy throw the left hook or the right hand.
It just has to be all business and, and they would have been got him – somebody that can help him.
He really don’t have that he went over to the we talked about on the show, and i hate to talk bad about people.
Their problem was was in and he he’s children and they really don’t know i’m not getting them the proper trainer.
Now he went over there to garcia’s mother or something right, yeah.
There’S a lot of training is out there, winning because the fighters were not because of it.
Okay, i’m not saying that he’s not worthy! I’M telling my guards he’s garcia right now, she’s gon na see his father as his trainer or something yeah yeah, you mean tell me they wouldn’t go and that if they did sometimes like in freddy’s, we talked about on the show.
I hate to talk bad about him.
He won because pacquiao, when you see them holding the pad, you see freddie rose on this just holding the pass and pacquiao hitting them a fighter like me can see and tell stuff like this, so why wouldn’t they go? Get a former heavyweight champion that got a good defense that that um know how to throw over him right now how to counter with punches, um and stuff like that um uh um.
Why wouldn’t they do that? Because i know they’re looking at money, they’re, not really! Looking at down on that level down on the level where he needs a trainer, they looking at television and who’s successful spence is successful.
The true little brothers are successful, their trainers, their trainers are built or getting built up because the fighters are winning, but when, in my era the trainers really was worthy of what they done and their skills and stuff and now a lot of fighters.
A lot of everybody’s going to mayweather because he went in and getting knocked out just because he’s watching him.
His television is hollywood.
It’S hollywood! They they’re sending the wrong message, but they don’t even know.
If you understand what i’m saying joshua’s job would be much easier.
Okay, if he got somebody like he’s saying like me or some there’s a couple other guys that know that keep his defense in instead of bouncing around like a lightweight stay in close catching punch bam, you know bam stay in there bam slip here.
Slip here, bam.
Defense, fighting the southpaw make sure you throw that right hand come back with the left hook, don’t bounce back little guys bounce around big guys can do that, but little you got to stay in that pocket and stuff.
So my thing is: is that i think his managers and his promoters they’re looking at the money they’re not really looking.
He could have made that fight easy.
He could have made the fight with yousef.
To me is he’s bigger, stronger, oh yeah.
They just throw it right.
He was bouncing away from stay in that pocket dig.
He could have knocked them out early.
I’M telling you.
The fight is easy.
If you ask me they’re making it complicated because they’re teaching them wrong, they went and got who was training.
Amanda amateur trainer was his trainer mccracken.
I looked i like mccracken.
I, like him and mccracken, even admitted that he might need help at one point, but that’s as far as she could take him.
Man and tim, don’t tell me robert, don’t tell me robert mccracken told aj to go in there and try and outbox using i’ll, never believe it.
I think aj went rogue in that fight.
I don’t think he was he wasn’t.
He wasn’t listening to his corner at all.
You could see it.
He wasn’t listening to his corner in that fight at all man who there’s nothing more to tell them.
You need somebody else that know more.
You got to go to the next level and it’s the money, that’s stopping them from they’re, getting millions they’re trying to keep.
I guess they’re trying to keep people away i’ll know, let’s keep this here.
Somebody might tell him something business-wise, it might mess them up or whatever he definitely needs somebody to show him something.
That’S not saying he can’t win that fight now.
If he come in and keep his hands up and then drop in and catch, you still win, but it’s complicated.
When you don’t understand.
Yes, i think you’re not using that.
I think he knocks him out in this next fight.
I think he’s got a window of four rounds to do it, but if he goes longer than four i’ll call you for him, but with the question he has got him doing the garcia, the garcia uh trainer.
I don’t know him, i don’t know how many fights he had.
I don’t know if he ever before um, but he said, like i hate to talk about freddie, roach pacquiao, i’m a star again.
Where is he now? I love freddie roach and he didn’t want to talk to me say hi to i made a statement on how i think what was going and if stay about it’s it’s, it’s almost comical yeah, i said harry, i think mcgregor i said now: joshua did if he Catch him on bloodland, he would probably lose the game, but i believe joshua.
If he he should be able to get in there and do the job man keep it move like.
He don’t bouncing around, hitting, don’t be hit.
That was stupid for him to do stay in that pocket with a tight defense.
Throw that right hand dig level, keep throwing the left hook, so you can still set them up for the right.
Keep doing this, throwing the left and that’s going to have you on this, go into your right hand or keep throwing the ring so you’re going to the left and more a lot more.
You could do with that too.
That’S just a couple of things.
There’S a lot more, you can do you didn’t move away from them and bounce like a, but but i bet you if he could take him out, though he could take him out.
I’M trying to fix this.
He missed the fight.
It’S when is the fight august august 20th, instead of mine, you don’t have to be in front of you.
He don’t have to be in front of you left hand either, and i think we did this on the show catch stuff here slip and go in.
He can move in on that smaller guy, because he’s away from useless left hand his left left hand to keep hitting him with it.
All he has to do is get on the outside of this hand.
When this go this way and then i turn right to the punches but they’re not teaching them, so i’m sad, paul, okay, this is this is my right.
This is my lead man, you got ta, get on this side, don’t stay out there and once you turn you’re getting it, it’s so easy.
I used to do it all the time.
You don’t see these guys doing doing it easy.
It’S all about money got that girl.
I talked to joshua and he said: okay, tim two-time heavyweight chamber of the world and i would come just help you didn’t even want to do that.
They didn’t even want to do that and then then he came out to rocky [, Music, ], [, Laughter, ] what’d, you say what’d, you say he came up to the rocky song.
That was bad luck that ruined it right there, honestly, honestly, if, if he pours it on, if he pours it on listen, i don’t think real, quick, look.
Okay, go ahead, he does have a cheat yo.
He does have a chance.
Joshua does have a chance to take it.
Just like carl said.
It’S got to be early, though, because, honestly, the longer it goes on man, it’s it’s just gon na it’s gon na be more in the advantage of usyk who’s gon na take it into the deeper rounds which he can so it’s up to joshua to get in There bang it out, get in and get out quick first four rounds, that’s the way it should be if he does that he could win.
But let’s go back to the original question.
What where does joshua go? If he loses right? Where is he going? He loses uh fights deante wilder aj, but i suppose there is a lot of let’s call it.
The next low level down.
You have got your dillian whites yeah that will sell.
You’Ve got your joe joyce’s nails off that’ll sell.
So, there’s a lot of a lot of big domestic fights in the uk, which would probably still get a worldwide audience.
You think wilder is coming back that the overweight division needs wilder.
In my opinion, especially he’s retired, do you think he took too much damage in his last fight to be able to come back as strong as he was? I think time will tell.
I don’t know until he’s back in the ring.
To be honest, think any of us know until he’s back in the ring.
Do you right now? I think he should.
I think parker should retire.
I think he should retire said he might break.
He might fight dylan white huh.
That must be talking about it.
Yeah they’re talking about it, oh you think he’s finished tim.
You think you should hang him up.
I don’t think he should take any more damage.
Um wilder.
I think he should uh.
I think he should just give it up.
He made enough money um.
Maybe that might be the last one if he do this this one here and if he fight dylan white could punch, he doesn’t need defense.
Dylan white could have did really good or probably won against tyson fury.
If i’m not telling him adjust that in uppercut, he does lack and learn how to defend against that first huh.
The thing is, though, tim.
I’Ve made this point on my show a few times.
Not many people can make deontay wilder look as bad as tyson.
Fiori did no that’s true, because no that’s a lie because that i’m not trying to talk down you, but no, no, he doesn’t.
God knows he doesn’t have no skills at all.
After when they get excited, you really see the amateur in dante wilder.
I love this guy, but as soon as he gets all nervous, he fights he goes like this yeah yeah.
He starts with million, don’t uh yeah, you see what i’m saying.
Did you see him fight like that fight like this yeah yeah? Although i still say he beats the majority of them in the overweight division, he beats wilder.
Oh in this area, who beat who beats wilder? What would know wilder would be white gillian white lillian white come on come on tim dylan whites.
If you learn the defense, if you learn defense, dylan white could take the show.
If you learn defense, what did he get caught with? How many guys caught him with that? If they just give him a shot with the same shot, every fight that he’s lost every loss is from the exact same uppercut until he learns how to defend from that deal.
Is he good enough, though, tim, to learn that he punches? He got plenty of heart.
All you got to do is show him.
Some stuff he’s still got job the ability to carry it out, though, he’s still got the ability to carry it out.
Go ahead, he’s been see, you know what he’s been he’s been caught with a counter uppercut.
How many times now is it’s his losses? All those losses have been the same.
That’S right! Canoes are old right right, but uh yeah, no i’d like to see wilder back.
I think i think we need some nice knockouts like that, coming back into the heavyweight division and um, you know, i guess yeah time will only tell to see how really damaged he is man, but um i’d like to see him back the danger man for me Everywhere he’s joe joyce uh like young and brash enough to if he wins, he’s uh he’s going to romp through the heavyweights.
I don’t know wait, he isn’t young for one, for what is a you know, he’s come to the pro game quite late.
However, what i would say, graham, i think, he’s penalized for his start of fighting – he’s, never going to be the fastest, but he’s got an engine and look what he done to daniel dubois who’s.
The next big thing just with a jab yeah yeah yeah.
So i think he’s underestimated, i think, like i said i think he gets penalized when he started fighting.
I think he gets slept on because of his age factor too, because he did start late but yeah.
I know he’s very dangerous.
Man he’s very dangerous.
I i think i think mike made a great point a couple of days ago when he said there needs to be a super heavy weight because we’re getting a lot a lot of six foot: nine, six foot, ten heavy weights now in the game and these six Foot four, six and five guys i don’t think they’re going to be able to beat out these bigger, much taller, much heavier bella’s.
Let me say this: i knocked the tall guys out and the little ones i had trouble with i’m telling you look at that record.
Look at my record, i lost too small bigfoot martin, but i knocked out jorge gonzalez.
I knocked out chuck tucker six.
Eight six nine see you know, i’m saying you that’s i knocked out the tall guys, but the little ones gave me trouble the shorter ones they gave me trouble.
Just look at my record.
I had problems with the little ones i even lost to them.
I wasn’t in really good shape, though i probably really did, but i did, but the taller ones.
I love to fight the taller ones.
They’Re pumped their chin was right there for the overhand um.
They were a little bit slower.
Um, you know dante.
Wild was faster fast; he just don’t have the skills he doesn’t have the skills you get hitting everybody with that right hand is that oh he’s a different kind of six foot, nine tall guy.
He moves like he’s a small guy.
He moves like a middleweight.
That’S what he moves like yeah.
He definitely moves like a middleweight, it’s hard to find that man and that’s interesting, though, having that weight above the heavyweight.
That sounds that’s a lot of that’s interesting.
I think you know that probably they should talk about that.
I think that’s the big tall 200 300 pound guys fight each other um that do make a lot of sense um, but i like the [ __ ] once it was updated.
I liked it.
It was fun.
Oh, you know what before joshua, you said you caught last morning, i thought you were going to win because you had to reach it but yeah, but it cut that off by staying on the inside and then playing those angles and then never leaving joshua just fought The wrong fight come on, let’s not delve into it too much.
You know it’s influence it.
It is like if you know what you’re honestly, you can see him.
You can see him in that fight, not listening.
Tim you’re breaking up brother, triple g canelo three: where are we at with that? So i think i think um canelo makes easy work in this one.
To be honest, i think um triple g’s.
Now what would it be 41 by the time? That’S in the ring? Yeah yeah, honestly, i think vanilla makes quick work of it after that uh sad, sad performance, he put on uh against bibble.
Well, he wanted a sad performance that might you’ve known i’ve been saying for a while that canelo’s left the ceiling is, you know, 168? What he’s not being enough for one seven? Five? No, so you know he’s going back down to the weight where he belongs.
I think he’ll continue to dominate at 160.
I actually think super middleweight’s, quite a poor division at the minute to white has been in the past.
Oh yeah.
No.
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
I don’t think it’s as good as it was in the past either but yeah.
I know as long as he stays 168.
You know what i don’t see.
I don’t see too many people touching him at all he’s talking about going back up, though, isn’t that man yeah yeah, i think uh.
I think that’s that’s not a good idea.
I think he should just stay 168.
Do his thing? Have his couple fights make his money and then just you know, retire like the rest of them.
Do i think his uh is his search for another another division’s belt.
That’S not going to work out too well for him.
The only challenge he’s got is super middleweight.
So so he beats triple g.
Where does he go next yeah? Is it better videos? Is it and better venus, but i i better be just walks all over them for me, david canelo, yeah, very good, who’d, better, be there to give you that impression.
Just i just i don’t know it’s just it’s just it’s just the way he fights man.
I just think that benavidez could take a number man he’s been in no one of canelo’s class.
So was that no that’s? No, he hasn’t he hasn’t, but sometimes you do find those guys, those diamonds in the rough that will come out of nowhere and just you know, control it.
I just you know: canelo’s got to stay where he’s at man 168.
.
I don’t think one end of a wall.
Let’S put it that way.
If we want one uh, you know benavidez can let his hands go like, like you know like crazy and canelo.
Can you know get out of the way like crazy, but you know, benavidez is just he’s, got that uh that hammer and ability, man that non-stop punching action.
You know once once he connects once he’s, got you in his sights and then he can just let him fly, and you know it’s.
20.
30.
40 shots man that can come off like nothing, he’s very dangerous, he’s a dangerous guy benavides.
It’S looking like it’s back normal now it is.
We can hear you champ, looking good, looking good thanks um, you been his beaters, i got it.
I saw his name a couple of times and i think i seen him who did he fight last come on mark you’re, the super fan, i’m gon na sneeze he’s pretending to sneeze now to give him more time to look all these.
No, i had you.
I had to turn off the microphone, so you guys didn’t hear all that grossness tim.
What tim? What are your thoughts on joe joyce um? I was watching.
Look i seen joe joyce like like back about a year and a half ago i seen him.
I never seen him work out, though he looks slow, he looks slow and he don’t have to me.
It looks like he don’t have the skills that he’s gon na need to succeed.
Um, i don’t know if he could take.
I didn’t see him getting really hit that hard.
I did see him getting hit.
He took it um.
I do believe when he get up there.
Um he’s going to need some help because that’s just his basic basic seeing a baby for the, i think he’s froze again all right.
There we go tim.
Just did a teleporter okay hold on teleported to come on.
So you talk, oh everybody, so i think natalie’s trying to get him to talk about the women’s uh yeah.
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I can see your forehead tim [ Laughter, ].
There you go there, we go there, we go excellent.
So what were we asking tim? What he thought about? What all right? This is michael yeah.
It should be all right.
Well, go ahead, girl, say something yeah, i’m just wondering what kind of show i’m just wondering what kind of show i’m on here [ Laughter, ], we’re on the.
I think you can go all the way if uh, if he, if he gets the right opponents in front of him, and i think he can do big things – i i think he’s gon na.
I definitely think he’s gon na he’s gon na come away with this victory uh tomorrow.
I definitely think he’s gon na take on hammer and uh and make quick work of it to be honest, uh, but yeah mike.
You also fought carlos remember that wasn’t about yeah.
True, i’m just remembering that he did fight him before after dubai, so yeah and he uh.
You know what he took him.
I think that one that one went to the sixth round, i believe before it was finished, i mean people say about joyce that he’s slow and cumbersome and basic, but you don’t say that after you come out the ring with him.
I think his style is very, very deceptive.
It is it is.
I believe he is.
He does look like he’s really slow, but he’s very he’s very methodical in his in his punching like the way he punches he’s um he’s very.
He sits down and really thinks you know, he’s not there to waste energy waste time waste throwing punches and get tired.
You know he’ll, let you do that and then that’s when that that slow style will catch.
You kind of off guard for a minute, and then you know he just finishes you and he has.
He has a brilliant engine on him as well, where he can go 12 rounds yeah.
He can really.
He can really take it.
He can take it.
The distance and uh you know after after 12 rounds, he still he still looks fresh.
He still looks like he could go another few, so uh, i think he’s you know.
I think he’s slept on to be honest and, while he’s feeling a bit of airtime on graham’s behalf um latest rumors in the uk, are that anthony you’re going to be fighting better, be up in wembley november december time.
I heard i heard this interesting thought it is.
Actually it is actually i’m pretty interested in this one um.
What’S that better, be it’ll clean, his clock, i think he’s getting slower and slower.
Yes, he’s got a good right hand, but you’ve got to be there to be caught by the right hand.
He’S 37 years old man like he’s, not he’s not he’s not a spring chicken by any means 37 years old, but he does.
He does punch with a lot of power carl you’re glitching there.
I i don’t know what yeah wow i’m making it i’m making a good point, though yeah you are he’s better now, yo later on, we’ll get eric to dub over some great uh great conversation.
There.
Man, you look like you’re, really giving us uh, giving us a big pointer if everybody hits mute.
It looks like he’s giving us a lecture anyway, quick, quick round the table.
I think better bf is going to be uh if he goes up against hanson yard.
I think he’ll win um, that’s just my personal opinion.
Oh no! No! No! I i believe, betray, i believe i believe veteran b will definitely, i think, one yard, but um.
You know what yeah he he says he’s not slowing down um.
He doesn’t look as fast.
Every fight you know like now he is 37.
He does train his ass off.
He’S got them heavy hands, though, like you know, he’s one of those guys that sure he might not be fast but uh.
If he connects with you, you know you’re gon na feel it you’re gon na go down.
You know, he’s really good at ripping the body he’s really good at you know knocking people out and uh.
You know you see the way the man trains like you know, he’s a machine.
He doesn’t, he doesn’t stop, he just keeps going.
He doesn’t turn it off um, but yeah.
Definitely uh.
Does anyone know when anthony yard fought last um anthony yard fought? Well, it’s been a while yeah yeah um, i’m going to say at least oh man.
I don’t even know i’m gon na, say i’m gon na say at least almost a year right yard.
Uh december december.
4Th was the last time uh the last time he fought.
Man – and that was against lyndon arthur, and that was a fourth round ko for the wbo and commonwealth uh light heavy title arthur was ko’d by a right hand to the head in the fourth round, but uh yeah, anthony york, definitely uh young younger than two for Sure younger than two 30 versus 37 would be a great one, but yeah battery b.
I don’t know man um he’s got he’s got time time against him.
That’S the thing you know right.
It’S like just like joe joyce, that’s another guy.
You know both these guys.
Both these guys are are fighting against time, rather than what’s going on with joe joyce.
I i’ve seen him.
I i took his interest, i heard about him.
I was in england, i heard about him um they were talking about him.
Now i had a chance to watch him in the fight.
I wasn’t impressed.
I wasn’t impressed, but i was wondering what everybody was talking about.
I knew it’s important to support him and that’s where that came from, but when i seen him i was like.
Oh well.
He’S he’s like he’s fighting this saturday: okay, uh he’s taking on christian hammer, who’s 27 and nine, this one’s for the wbc, wbo, uh, silver, heavy title and international titles um.
You know that’d be good for him.
Yeah uh! You know six round, uh tko uh! That’S back august of last year and then um, you know before that he didn’t fight for you know he fought 2020 um that was in november, so he hasn’t been super active.
He hasn’t been super active, which is bad because the man’s 36 years old and he’s fighting time – you know if this guy gets shelved for any length of time.
You know it’s he’s 36 yeah he’s 36 years old, that’s the thing and the kids only got you know: 13 13 wins under his belt 36 years old he’s just even known 36 years old man.
So definitely uh he’s he’s fighting father time and and and so is that betrayed right.
That reviews the same thing: hey, hey, y’all, [, Music, ], hi, sugar, hey mike! How are you doing honey? Oh i’m doing a lot better.
Now that i get to join the panel with you guys – hey tim, hey, graham, oh i’m not sure i think it is graham just fell off for a minute.
I don’t know where he went.
Okay, he disappeared tim’s, starting to freeze up a little bit.
We have carl that’s coming back: okay, yeah.
We we had a party here tonight for sure definitely all right! Well, i know i was late to the party.
What are we talking about? Uh we’re just talking about uh, some of the heavyweights and uh.
What we believe is gon na happen, uh this weekend, uh hammer versus joyce uh.
Definitely looking like a good one, um.
Also we got um.
We also have uh hammer as in who hammer christian hammer versus joe joyce, okay yeah.
This should be good um.
Who are we liking in this matchup? I’M liking joe joyce, i’m liking joe joyce, but we’re we’re just talking about how at 36 and only having 13 fights under his belt um.
You know, there’s not, there’s not really too many options for this guy.
If he gets shelved he’s he’s screwed he’s fighting father time.
You know, that’s it! That’S a big! That’S a big thing.
It’S a big thing: hey tim tim is on frozen now, you’re back, i’m i’m i’m doing good.
I’M glad i can join you guys tonight on the panel excellent.
So i wanted to um mike mentioned uh about this prospect.
Where he’s 36 years old, oh yeah – and i mean he seems like a good pride uh prospect but uh time now time is the time is the villain here, but um uh.
You know i i i would say and – and you tell me uh tim – i i would say like in this day and time.
It really depends on where he wants to go uh in in his in his journey like.
Is he going to be uh an international world champion? Maybe not you know in the time frame, but he may make a name for himself and with the lesser rankings and and in accomplishing gaining the lesser titles and and still make some good money.
What do you think tim? I think that i think that um, you know you get into the boxing game and uh you train hard uh, you progress.
Why not go for it all? Instead of this level that level go for the big shots, go for the the top things, so you need the right trainers.
You need to like the right people behind you, um, there’s, no excuses.
You just got to keep on going get a good trainer defense tight, throw the right punches counter when you’re supposed to a lot.
A lot of things is natural, you teach them the basics and then all that other stuff, and that you know all that other stuff.
That that’s bouncing around that’s something that you just that’s come simultaneously when you’re boxing, but this basic stuff that gives the boxers confidence like hold your hands tight yeah when they learn, excuse me, and they learn this in the stuff.
They’Re stuck the real.
They can do all that bouncing around that’s something you do.
Naturally you know so so i it you got to be in it for the top.
You got to be in it for the long run.
Why so you’re talking so you’re talking about the practicality of it right, and i like to i like to look at the whole picture like in and out of the ring that makes a tremendous difference, like you said, tim having the confidence and the basic skill set To stand in there and know that you can deal with uh opposition, that’s coming at you in in its most basic form.
You know how to defend yourself and at the end of the day, you can get down and dirty and fight, or you can bounce around.
If you want, but how easy – and you tell me this uh tim nowadays, where these trainers uh mike – and i was talking about this – the other night – they come a dime a dozen.
They read how to be a boxer, how to train a boxer in a book or they watch a couple of youtubes.
They show up at the gym and all of a sudden they can train somebody.
How easy is it nowadays to find a trainer that is worthwhile? What is the value on that and from what i understand you know? Sometimes you have to sacrifice and pick up and actually move to where the you got to hide.
The kitchens are hot.
You may have to move to philly you may have to move to vegas.
You may have to move to these spots uh because good trainers.
I i don’t even think detroit, i’m bill miller.
Is he still alive? I mean, i don’t even think you know these.
These good trainers are around anymore, so tim.
Can you give uh me and the rest of us some insight on on how you would navigate that in this time as a heavyweight jim? Are you frozen again? No, no [, Music ]! Well.
What did you think mike? What did oh okay here he comes.
It was, i would you didn’t, hear really man, i said a mouthful, you know right mike, can you tell them the gist of it or do i have to like remix it? What do you want to mix it remix it for the chip? Now i was saying this tim in this day and time where you know trainers are, are microwave trainers, meaning you know, they’ve read a book or they’ve watched a couple youtubes and now they’re trainers, nicole’s version.
You know what i’m saying and you know uh.
What is how how easy is it now to find a trainer that would give you the foundation and with the support that you need to deal with and go to the top and deal with this? This opposition in climbing that’s number one and number two um.
What did i say mike um? What is the value on that right? Because a lot of fighters out here want to go to the top and they are willing to invest, but because we got scammers out here right and even some of the partially good ones.
They tend to scam too, you know they live in your pocket.
They, nickel and dime you for pads.
They, nickel and dime you to find work.
You know what i’m saying: what’s the value, can you tell us how and what the number on that would look like for for a fighter? Well, there’s a lot of men boxers that don’t even know what you’re talking about and there’s some.
What i mean is what i mean is you know more than a lot of these men boxers? How do you get that knowledge? I’M just saying women have had to be careful tim, that’s why they’ve always got problems.
[ Laughter ] that natalie dipped her toe in before she dove whoa.
Okay, oh man, okay, okay, um! I think it comes with a lot of like well there’s a lot of boxes when they’re coming up they, don’t they don’t um, know who’s really who’s and what they just want to fight and become champions.
This is some some part of it.
They don’t know and they’re directed in the direction and if they winning, if they winning you know, they gain their confidence, the trainer and the trainer and the boxer until they get to that ultimate fight.
That’S going, you know to show if they really know what they know, but there’s a lot of like we were just talking.
Garcia is training.
His people is training, joshua yeah.
He might do good what he that’s.
What i heard he’s over there.
Look she even saying what he’s over there garcia won garcia won.
Did his dad ever fight? Did his dad ever fight? I don’t think so.
He never fought not that i know uh.
No, that’s that! Really! That’S really bad for anthony.
Are you saying, are you saying this is a bit of those who can’t do teach? Is that how it’s known television, television, those that won’t even do right, because it takes a special fabric of person to climb through the ring and attempt to do it? And me as a fighter? You can’t tell me i’m sorry, unless you’ve tasted some leather at some point in your in your career in this box, then you can’t tell me nothing right.
So i mean i just don’t understand how these trainers are getting in, like they’re they’re buying their licenses.
They buy this license, they buy, they get their trainer certification and then they open up or work at some gym around the corner from their house and they start building up these fighters, their little amateur fighters get known and then then next thing you know: they’re uh, They’Re working with pros yeah, you can’t be a youtube celebrity in this game right and you can’t be an instagram and a social media celebrity doing this, because this is the one industry they say you don’t play boxing right.
You can’t and you can’t make a boxer.
You can’t make up a boxer either right, so you can have this whole facade on social media, and you can have all these followers, but at the end of the day when the hot lights are coming and everybody gets beat when that bell rings right and that Person that you go back to the corner, you they’re asking and you they’re, looking at him like what am i gon na, do they looking at you like? Oh, i i can’t google, it there’s.
No there’s no chapter in the book.
You know what i’m saying and these guys let me go.
Let me know how to do it.
It’S really not funny.
I bet you, you can google, if you put how to do the philly and it’ll go philly shell it’ll automatically automatically come in for you.
I guarantee you, you can google that right now i wanted the bread i wanted to hear because i was telling people to tim is right on the line like the people.
If we – and there should be some kind of um graduating system in the industry of boxing tim witherspoon – should have a master’s degree or a doctorate in the industry of boxing yeah, that’s hilarious, because you have to have the foundational knowledge – and this is not knowledge that You can pick from a tree or a leaf.
A gras like this is hard one perspective.
You have to have been in the game to know this stuff right, but they would look at someone who’s as accomplished and knowledgeable as tim and put him on the same level as this garcia dude, that’s only television and that garcia is winning.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
I, like i mean women winning, but at the end of the day it’s boxing this is gladiator stuff, yeah right, so you would i mean you, don’t we’re cheapening the game when we don’t put the right people in the right spots? That’S all.
I have to say this game: this industry is a million dollar industry, those like timothy witherspoon that has played a role and now can transition into general ship being a general in the corner.
Right.
Yes, they have people taking his money, his jobs, his opportunities.
You see what i’m saying and i’m like that, i just i i speak on it all the time and i just think it’s so disrespectful right, because you know the um and the fact that there’s no one talking about it.
There’S no platform like this is a good conversation for anyone chiming in to know fighter trainer promoter.
All of these people need to be in on this kind of conversation right, because this conversation shows what the value where the value is in the industry, and there are large gaps.
We, like our our warriors, our late warriors, got ta, be making some money too yeah talking about that last time, um and uh.
I was talking about that last at the level, but um.
If you can uh.
If you can hear me, uh you’re cutting up a little bit um try to refresh.
I guess.
Are you hearing it mike? No, not really, not really! Oh man.
I know it’s unfortunate because it’s good knowledge.
Oh, did you hear you didn’t hear me there? Were you guys? No, no.
Can you repeat tim because you, you really cut out mike and i couldn’t even hear, but you were talking good.
I forgot what i was going to say he’s primarily: okay, okay, like i don’t want to be in the corner, carrying a bucket.
I do want to get the knowledge out.
You know i’m like i’m a former champ, but i didn’t want to.
I don’t want to go far as like giving them water and all that i do want to give knowledge to boxers.
But if i have to do it, i wouldn’t do it.
I would do it um um, my pride ain’t that bad, i would go, go ahead and get in there and do it with big fights and stuff like that um, but watching these other guys, these other, i never heard of them until recently.
Um.
In my days you heard of the trainers you heard of jimmy arf.
You heard the slim robinson you heard of uh georgie benton, you heard them, but these these these trainers.
Now today you never heard of them and you got trainers in corners that never was successful.
The fighter wins that fight and they blow up, and i was talking about freddie roach.
I was talking about freddie roach.
I love that brother, but where is you now, though? Where is he now do we have champions? Let me stop talking about freddie there’s somebody else.
Well, you’re listening! I listen! Listen now because you got to talk about freddie.
Freddie was the man at one time right, he was freddie.
Was the man at one time? Remember he had me, you mean pacquiao.
Was the man yeah? Well, listen.
They were talking that talk and freddie roach his face was in the magazines.
They was asking him all the questions trainer of the year.
Thank you.
You see what i’m saying, and i mean this was all marketing.
There was no substance behind okay, okay, you see what i’m saying now, i’m not looking at you champ with a spoon to give nobody water or anything in the corner.
What i’m looking at you to do, though, is be the director of a camp.
Okay.
Okay, you see what i’m saying do we need to evolve? The industry needs to evolve where yes, there’s director tim witherspoon and then you have.
You know coordinators and administrative assistants, and things like that.
You see what i’m saying that now it becomes a structured type of deal right and so then the value comes in to where money can be made.
There are actual jobs, it’s not, oh, you know, didn’t you know.
Did i pillow talk with the right person, so i can get me a spot.
You know what i’m saying and and that’s what i see what’s going on.
Well we’re getting to the time.
So everybody say their last comments.
Definitely yeah! We are.
We are sorry sugar.
Me unfortunately, i’m sorry that i i’m sorry, i can’t immediately transform it everybody out there, she’s gon na, join us on sunday for our knockout of the week award.
So you get to see some more sugar there we go rana.
Thank you, hello, hello.
Thank you for timing in dusty montford.
Yes, mary spencer is undefeated after her win last week, oh did y’all talk about barry like mary, coming in strong we’re gon na have to talk about her at another time because we’re officially out of time she know her stuff.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you to everybody who watched today shout out to carl from last ball boxing to join us today on the panel for a little bit had a bit of technical difficulties.
Unfortunately, he didn’t get to come back sugar.
Thank you again for coming.
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