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EPISODE: Episode 1
Unlock the secrets to becoming an exceptional female boxer in this eye-opening episode of The Sugar Show, hosted by former professional fighter, Natalie Sugar Brown! Dive into Natalie’s unfiltered opinions on the state of women’s boxing, including the mistakes of the past and the exciting future ahead ?. Learn what it takes to stand out in the ring and defy expectations as a woman in this dynamic sport. Don’t miss this unique perspective from an industry insider! ??
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Engineers, [ Music, ], hey y’all, hey, yes, it’s late.
We had some technical difficulties y’all, but hey it’s it’s sugar! Here I am Natalie sugar brown and this is the Natalie sugar brown show where we get together on Wednesday nights at 7.
30.
What y’all know? It’S eight it’s a little bit after eight right now and we talk about women’s boxing and it doesn’t have to be um.
You know the the the facts per se and you don’t have to know the numbers and all of this stuff.
It’S just uh opportunity for us to have a conversation and some teaching moments about an industry that I have um spent most of my life in women’s boxing.
Yes, so um tonight’s uh tonight’s episode.
Um is what makes a good woman boxer right.
I’M not sure you know we we’ve we’ve gone around and around and around and talking about this but um.
I was on a thread earlier.
I had time y’all I had time and um um I and I was chatting with a fan of uh one of the an up-and-coming fighter out here and um.
I I’ve also, you know, had conversation or chatted with uh others on on the sugar show platform um where they you know they.
They just feel they just have this this deep down feeling um for for a woman boxer who’s out here abroad.
That’S doing it and you know um, you know they they they sip in her Kool-Aid.
But you know what I’m saying: I’m saying she need a little bit more flavor and I I say that you know a lot of people want to jump in and hating and you know she’s a hater or whatever you know it’s, not it’s not.
I it’s not hating right um, it’s I! I I’m the type that, even if it’s hating I take every.
I take it as constructive criticism right because people gon na have something to say regardless I’ve been in the same shoes right where I’m like you know, I’m doing my best, I’m the best I’ve ever been and people are telling me but Shawty you ain’t ready.
Yet you know what I’m saying so um, instead of instead of me getting my feelings, heard about that.
What I would do is, I would say, you know what if they could say something about it.
That means I need to solve it.
I need it’s a problem that needs to be solved right, so I I would I I would work on these things until naysayers.
Just wouldn’t have much to S much substantial, to say about me as a fighter where they would just have to play now.
Come out and say you know what I just don’t like that broad sugar, which is fine.
You know everybody is not going everybody’s not going to uh, have a taste for for sugar and that’s cool right.
So it brought me around to thinking Hmm what what makes a good woman boxer.
You know when that broad walks into an arena into a gym into a space.
You know what is it that makes her.
You know that that gal um, whether before she even gets into the ring, because that’s what I’m seeing now and uh there there was an ERA I mean we’re just.
I think we’re we’re slowly coming out of the era of the first trap, but there’s still uh.
I mean it’s women’s boxing right, so there is a bit of a thirst trap to it, but let we don’t want to make the thirst trap um.
The reason why abroad gets noticed – or you know the thirst trap to be a reason why people are out here saying that oh she’s, good, she’s, great she’s got it she’s ready, she’s been the fighter.
It’S like nah, you know, that’s not the case.
It takes it.
It takes a lot more take a lot more right, so we want to stick to a woman boxer.
You know what what that would um the ingredients of that is, and I’ve gone through um lovely assistant, if you can start the slideshow, I’ve got a long slideshow tonight for those people who are not chiming in.
I think you know it’s pretty cool where I’m I’ve found um some images of um women who behaved badly from way way way way back in the days like the 1800s and stuff right, because you know there’s something that I I I I suppose they wouldn’t be – That much different from what we are now um, where you know a lot of a lot of up and coming comers upcomers, and you know it’s been the same thing over and over where they feel like.
Oh we’re different.
This generation is different.
Oh, this generation is better.
Oh, we we do a lot better.
You know um it there’s still.
This reoccurring theme that yeah I want to get Michael or chimes in high sugar, hey baby, hey Mike thanks for chiming in um.
Yes, please start the chat off tonight.
Uh Michael Orr says, I guess I’ll start the chat out tonight.
Um and since you know you you you, you um Mike, you speak to a lot of these hungry uh up and coming Talent up and coming broads out here.
Is there a reoccurring theme that you see in each Broad and it doesn’t have to be a cookie cutter, but it’s like I know at this point you should you kind of you kind of feel something right when you’re talking to them and you get that energy Um, where you can tell okay this one, this one’s going to be Champion or this one’s in it, and then you look at it, for you know that, then you may find one that you’re like uh, I’m not sure about this one.
You, let me know we’re not calling no names tonight, we’re not right.
We want to have a conversation, though about you know, um, because it’s blowing up alongside, I also noticed uh, the W and uh.
You know.
Women’S basketball has been getting some some shine lately too, with um LSU winning the national uh championships.
Um, and you know we, we had some girls behaving badly on the court with this.
You know with this stuff right, so it’s like you know that.
That’S really what it takes.
That’S that you find it you find it in in every little facet of when women extend themselves and that’s what we’re looking for right, but we want to see yeah.
We we want to.
We want to talk about it, because also, I feel like we’re losing it right.
I feel like we’re losing that um in how these fights are being matched and and how these promoters are now picking who they want to be.
The celebrity boxing champion, um Michael Orr, says I feel the raw energy of their heart and dedication.
Michael Oher, also says I can feel it when I watch them in the ring and when speaking to them um.
You know, and that’s quite profound Mike it’s it’s a feeling.
It’S really a Feeling, um, it’s how they connect to to all of us right.
So Mike is like you know I going talking to the talking to a broad.
Yes, I’m feeling this broad, I she, you know what I’m I’m, I’m gaying with her I’m I I think she’s gon na make it somewhere right.
Uh Michael Orr, also says um triggers a bit more.
Oh there’s a there’s a bit more to it, but I won’t dive too deep into it.
It’S a feeling, um, I’m gon na dive into it.
You know um, because I I see the same thing right.
I, when should Shooks at the gym, should seize talent coming through the door and a lot of sometimes though Mike sometimes it’d, be the one that isn’t you know.
Isn’T me me me me me it’s the one over in the corner and you looking at you looking at her and she’s she’s, doing her thing and you’re like damn, that’s a beast, but she just in her she’s, just in her Zone, doing her.
You know and and that you know it’s like it’s not a lot of the times too.
It’S not the ones that um, it’s not the squeaky wheel.
You know, like my yeah, Michael Oher, comes in saying it’s the The Quiet Storm um.
I had one one gal um yeah.
I was training a group of ladies and and one gal she’s, the tiniest of all of them and boy.
When I you know when she learned to to put her punches together, the Shadow Boxing and her movement, she became poetry in motion.
I’M like dizzy.
If she wanted to, she could take it somewhere.
You know what I’m saying so you know um lovely assistant.
You can keep you can pop you can pop on to the next image.
You know looking just looking at these images, you know I just there’s a there’s, a thing.
There’S a theme – and you guys kind of you know like check it out where you see in the the the attire of these women, how how what the swag was back in the day of these women Behaving Badly right.
You see like I, I love this picture here.
I I love these pictures where you know they they wore.
What was I guess, what was standard at the time that long skirt, you know the the long, the shirts and everything button up, but make no difference.
You could see, I mean how they are their stature, their faces, how interested they are their poses.
We can find the very same energy and the very same type of Swag in in the gyms.
Now right, you can see where these women are taking pictures outside.
It wasn’t even in the it wasn’t no gym, they met up outside and was doing this.
You know what I’m saying: um they got the white, the white dress on or the white shirt on.
You know it’s like they’re taking time out of the formality.
Look at this one out of the formality of Womanhood at the time to behave badly.
You know what I’m saying: um don’t go too fast.
Now lovely assistant, um, Michael Orr, comes in and says she went from school um Mom in the day to pugilist at night, which is what a lot of us have done.
To be quite honest, you know um and it that that’s you know, that’s what what brings the question you know that keeps what makes a good woman boxer.
You know what I’m saying, and these are images I I’m not even gon na lie on here.
Y’All know sugar keeps it real.
You know I that wasn’t ain’t.
Nobody looking like me it like sugar, you know, there’s no, there’s no brown, ladies or or darker ladies and um in these pictures, because I suppose you know there there was also um there.
There were also rules or or um lines of society.
That said, certain probably said certain certain uh people or certain women couldn’t fight or shouldn’t fight, or you know this is.
This is a documentation, though, of what um.
Historically, the culture of uh women’s boxing was marketed to be right.
That’S why I wanted to bring this up like this is marketing when they take a picture of these women out here doing that their marketing.
This was one of my favorite ones.
Right here you know, pause it lovely assistant, um, Michael Orr, says uh.
There is a lot of color in the photos and it’s not cause it’s black and white um.
You know and that’s for sure there there’s a lot of color to it where it shows um.
It shows women and – and you know, a Different Light, even though they they were the they they wore the.
How can I say it they wore the or what? How can I articulate it? They they wore what was expected of them uh at the time, but there’s they’re, swag, they’re Moxie was something else you know and and it’s it just kind of comes it’s.
It keeps it’s a recur reoccurring thing to say: oh, you know women we’re just now starting to do it or you know this thing is young women.
Fighting is Young, and – and here are you know, just some wonderful uh marks in our Evolution as women behaving badly as women boxers to show that it was all different, shapes and sizes.
You know back in those times a lot like.
I love this picture because I’m waiting right now for the heavyweight broads to step up and and really get Rowdy in the ring, see because they’re they’re marketing right now they’re only marketing the small women um, the the middleweight women are barely being marketed right.
You you, you have to be like in your 130 pounds or so you know, 135 pounds 140 pounds um, that’s what people are thinking about when they think uh woman boxer right, but you know I want.
I want people, I I where it is where the conversation is, is um, a good woman, boxer uh.
Is anyone or can be anyone any weight? Any look any feel these two broads are in here and they sundresses out in the out in the field behaving badly, and you see the ref there, which is a gentleman, a man with a big smile on his face because um they might have been putting.
They might not have been putting the ass in seats, but I suppose there had to be a crowd for this to even get a photo back in those times.
Um Michael Orr says they wore the Little House on the Prairie get up.
Listen, that was the that was the thing that was all the rage right.
This is the 1800s Michael Oher also says we’ll call it little house yeah right, so they was rocking that little house, but here it is right and um bill, um lovely assistant.
We can go into the next um image, you know um and we can pause it here same deal.
You know these now, these These are women.
They done took the skirt.
They took the skirts off okay.
So this is what it looked like under the skirt, because I suppose, let me tell you something: it gets hot when you fighting it gets hot, especially that down in them down between them, thigh areas right so listen.
I would have ripped that I would have ripped that skirt off a long time ago.
Trust me okay, so here they are and – and you see it where they’re, you know it even in the stature and the poses this is like.
I know this is like an honorable thing that these ladies, are doing they.
You know that they’re not this is a serious thing.
Um, two and, and you see the age of these gals, they look like they’re they’re, probably in the in their in their early 20s.
Um Michael Orr comes into about down and then uh nether yeah.
I don’t know what you singing over near Mike.
I don’t know what you singing um, so next image, let’s bring it, let’s bring it tonight right we want to.
We want to kind of take it back there.
What makes a good woman body like these are women’s.
These are somebody’s great, great, great, great, great, great grandmothers out here, and you know I would.
I would love to know what the impact of you know.
The this had on a family you know had had on their children coming up.
Well, the climate, like you know, at that time, um in in my studies, these women were uh accompanying accompanying side acts to other entertainment, okay, and I suppose you know I I’m trying to fight.
I was looking and trying to find where um it was an issue of how many minutes these ladies, were fighting.
I I suppose they were fighting the same amount of minutes.
The same amount of rounds as the males were fighting at the time, but this women Behaving Badly was a novelty, and I think it should be kept a novelty in in to a certain degree right.
A novelty where it’s authentic competition right is is an authentic.
It’S not a it’s, not a staged outcome, where you know where oh I’m, promoting this gal and she’s going to be a a star, a celebrity boxer back in these times now these women used to travel from town to town, um and and fighting the the baddest Broads in each town, right, which lends me you know to to I mean, there’s, there’s some stuff brewing in women’s boxing right now.
That may go right on back to what it used to be back in the day where you know we find in we’re vetting and finding who’s the baddest broads in each City, in each town, in each state and and now organically building.
Two, where you know there’s some meat in in in the playing field or or you know, some real fishes and and and sharks and barracudas and whatever it is in in the waters instead of you know what it is now um Michael Orr says milking them.
Cows got them women, some punching power.
Hmm! Well, guess what um I mean.
You know that that milk in the cow action – I don’t know if that works for uh punching power right because you got ta turns you got ta turn that thing over you, you, you got ta, put put that booty behind and booty and thighs and back behind.
All of these punches milking them cows, Miami you know, might help for a different thing.
You know like just saying um when I was a little girl, I I I milked cows um back in the countryside, uh in Jamaica.
You know it’s it’s not as easy as it looks.
Neither you know what I’m saying you got.
Ta grab that thing.
You got A Yank pause, Michael or yeah, Mike yeah.
I know where you taking me, but guess what sugar ain’t never scared to go there.
I’M not scared at all.
As a matter of fact, I like it, but we got ta, keep it PG.
This is the internet, don’t don’t be on here trying to get me banned and whatnot right right.
I try to be good.
I’M I’m trying to be good on on the talking fight platform.
Michael Orr says um me either.
Okay, then um lovely assistant uh.
Can you uh switch switch the image um, you know here we go again.
It’S same theme.
I mean these broads this one.
This Baddie right here this looks like a old old picture, but this is like she was fighting in this.
These were undergarments too.
By the way, I remember um uh a um one of our guests, one of our um chat guests came on and and that that that guest mentioned something about sugars, uh sugars get up when she used to fight, but sugar get up was really honoring.
The the you know the the fact that these broads back in the day back in the 1800s early 1900s, you know 1900s, they used to they had to strip down, and they had they fought in the lingerie.
They fought in the under Underpants.
They fought into dresses and the skirts right, so I mean it it.
There was still that feminine hat to a certain degree right, because everybody knows this history, wise, the the women wore the dresses right, except for I think in Scottish culture, where the the the men were the Kilts, which was a form of skirt right, but um.
We wore the dresses okay, and so that was a part of it.
You know we fought in those things we fought in, we it was, it meant it meant more and it was more marketable.
It was more marketable to fight in that expectation of I’m dressed.
I I’m dressed like what y’all what you all know and see as what a woman is and I’m about to behave badly.
What makes a good woman boxer, though, look at these women it’s the same.
Like tell me what the theme is.
Tell me what y’all are seeing in in these pictures, uh lovely assistant, keep going, keep going, is there any more? Ah so we bring it up.
These are not too fast you going too fast.
I love this.
I love this um in the recent um women’s uh boxing championships that the uh, the champ Laura Ramsey um, was a part of putting on.
Actually, there was actually a contender that came from Peru with her cultural Garb on to fight which I thought was bad ass.
Right bring in the culture and keeping the culture, so this is a yearly happening in Peru, where uh and y’all don’t understand like the whole.
Damn, like everybody comes down to see this, where uh two broads will get in the ring or are broaden it.
Um yeah uh any males too, but they come to see the broads and these broads.
They were they wrapped, they wrapped their little scarves on their hands and they go at it right, and this is like tradition.
This is a cultural thing, lovely assistant.
Let’S go on to the next one: let’s go into the next image, I mean this is better.
I I mean I wish I I wish I had this.
You know that we we need that we need the [ __ ].
We need some of these broads to come into the rankings right.
Look at the culture.
Look at you know, look at the swag.
I remember back in the day when I was young and I used to watch you, the Mexican Fighters come in and they’d have their sombreros and the male Fighters would come in and you know they’re they’re bringing in their culture into the ring.
Okay.
So, let’s I I would love, I would love a a good woman boxer from from to bring her culture into the ring such as this.
This is the connection that I have.
This is what I feel right.
I feel this because it’s she’s bringing her she’s she’s not only coming in and and saying: oh I’m, the best I’m she’s bringing her peoples in on her back and to me, that’s that’s a a big ingredient in what makes a good woman boxer um.
I just love this, I’m telling you I let me tell you all I I will.
I would be a fan out the gate if I saw it if I saw a baddie stepping in the ring with her with her with her get up like this um lovely assistant.
Is there any more? Is there any more um? Okay? So here you standing off and you see the people in the background.
Look at this.
Do you see a familiar? Do you see anything that looks the same like the previous images of these women boxers these women who are knuckling up right and and about to behave badly right? You see, you see The Stance, you look at them right and – and you see like I said in the background – for for a good long did we they got stand in room okay, so it was never that and that no one would wasn’t.
It was never that there was no interest right.
It is like I said, like I’ve said: um, it’s the identity, it’s it’s! The understanding that the you know what we’re looking at.
What we’re looking at are women who have decided to show a side of themselves to society that um is intriguing right, because we are known to be uh.
Women are known to be the more delicate gender and we are getting in there um setting up to do damage.
You know, and I love that um lovely assistant – is there any other image? Okay here we go up too fast, too fast.
Let’S go back so we have this one here right, the bob cut.
With the I mean you see the progression right so posing here.
This one looks like that.
This one looks like she’s a crone back in the day like this is back in the early 1900s.
1900S, now you know women, this ain’t Photoshop right.
What makes a good one look at look at this.
Look at this woman.
What what makes a good woman boxer look at this woman right! There’S a reoccurring theme Here, right, y’all tell me: y’all leave, leave what y’all think in in my comments section and like subscribe and share y’all okay like subscribe and share this sugar.
I want to have this conversation um, let’s, let’s keep it moving right on to the next one right on to the next image.
Ooh now look at this [ Music ] who came on here talking about sugars, get up and sugars outfits.
What are we looking at right now, two broads right down two days down today, undies in here: okay, with the gloves on right down to the undies Behaving Badly right same thing.
Here they outside y’all y’all, see the ropes y’all, see what the ring looks like.
Okay, so um there was nobody, I mean at the time and there were no breast protectors.
There Was, You Know, none of these.
None of these things that uh have been put in the way in front of why women should only fight for two minutes now.
Um.
There’S nothing that was in the way of you know, um why they they’re in there and and there’s nothing in the way of any license, or you know, um how they’re allowed to do this they’re in there right and and they’re in there, because there was a Freedom there’s a freedom right of them being in there down to their undies Behaving Badly.
There’S a freedom there right.
You can see it on on everybody’s face that that you um that you viewed in this slide, keep it going, keep it going, keep it going.
What we got here is that it oh y’all, didn’t cut me short, so I had a bit more okay, you guys.
I had a bit more, but I I guess um, I guess our technical difficulties have cut the the slideshow short, but I wanted to [ Music ] interest rates.
You know um what that reoccurring theme was where, as I’ve said, there’s a freedom there’s a freedom in there there’s a freedom to when you get in there and you behave badly right.
There’S a uh inhibition of um, letting that part of yourself be seen and known, and you know people I don’t like to get hit and hit and not get hit or whatever we want to.
We we want to contain we we want to keep that freedom.
We want to keep that wild inhibition in our sport in our section of the market, women’s boxing, because that is what sells right.
I keep saying this.
No one looks at abroad who turns her punches over and no one looks at that.
I’M sorry, I don’t care what nobody say out there: no one’s in her technique and no one’s looking at that.
They want to see a broad get busy in there right and if she gets busy – and she knows how to now perform it, then she’s getting good.
And so that’s what I was saying um in in in my chat with a with a fan of a another female fighter earlier um he he liked he he likes this.
This fighter she’s green she’s green, I’m not going to say no names tonight, okay, but I’ll, bring it to the platform um – and you know green and and to me, because I’ve been in the game, I’ve done it.
I can appreciate um Badness in there.
I just I’m not feeling I’m not feeling the broad I’m not feeling her.
I said she needs a little bit more seasoning right.
She needs a little bit more seasoning and seasoning.
You guys is not.
Oh I’ve been doing this for this amount of years.
That’S that’s! Not what seasoning is Right, seasoning is the experiences that you have right, because seasoning is flavor, yeah, right and and so, and and and that’s what it I mean in in all other facets, even getting a job right.
We can all be going for the same.
The people interview for that same one job every day right, but it’s that seasoning that compels that a particular person to get hired into that position right.
The seasoning, the experiences that they’ve had whether it pertained to specifically the job or it was something outside of the job that they can now translate into the performance of the job.
Um is what makes them good right and a good and good at what they do.
Right and there’s a freedom to that, we’re losing it and I think we’re losing it in women’s boxing right.
I I want y’all, I mean, like I said: um come come in and participate come and add to this chat right um they on on our talk and fight platform.
We there’s other shows where um women boxers come on and get interviewed.
Okay, you can hear her story.
You can hear her, you can you can you can judge for yourself right on Ketchum on all these uh? All the other shows feel them know them right, because some some out there, some of us out here or some some of us gals out here – did you know they.
They think they think they got despised.
They think they got the flavor right, but are they giving us something? We can feel right and it doesn’t have to like.
I said it doesn’t have to be perfect, punches right.
It may be in how they in in the slop that they put out there in the ring right, but it there that that is the thing.
That’S marketable right, it it’s it’s that that the the ferocity in there, but you also got ta, know how to sell yourself when you’re outside of there.
Okay, what makes a good woman boxer tell me uh to talk talk to Sugar.
I I started the show late tonight: okay and I’m not sure how many people are gon na uh.
Chime in this may be a very short show tonight, but I really wanted to have that conversation you guys um.
I can’t I can’t speak for sugar because I mean I I just love my fans.
I my I had um some fans out of UK message me in my inbox, um just reminded me of who, who I was in that ring who sugar really was in that ring and and what they liked about sugar and and a lot of these things.
I forgot right because, as you, you know, I’ve transcended outside y’all see sugar, I’m I’m becoming softer and juicier right.
I I ain’t hardcore sugar like I used to be, but there are.
There are certain things about that sugar that you know I.
It has kind of faded away, you know, but bringing sugar is it bringing the fans bringing that back and saying? That’S why we loved you.
This is what this is.
What made you good? This is why you were a good fighter to us.
That’S why you are a good woman boxer to us really um shows me the value that each of us, women, pugilists women, boxers, bring to the market and bring to the table right.
It’S just now women, all of us out here, women Fighters we got ta, make our own table.
Now we got to make our own table, so we can start behaving bad again because the way they doing out here.
Well, I I I I don’t like.
I don’t like the seats at these other at the table with the guys.
I don’t like the seeds too much, I don’t.
I don’t um it us comparing ourselves and us fighting like the guys.
Uh really takes away from the um, unique commodity that we are and that’s what always made us a good women boxers.
Okay, so all for you know women of all different shapes, colors sizes, backgrounds, age right on this, this um, you know this dude, it’s a guy brought up.
Oh, you know um, this fighter is 40 years old and this spider is 20 and you know, let me tell you something: a grown-ass woman fights different from a young, broad, coming up right and they’re still valued to that.
We need our own platform because I don’t know a a grown ass man at 50 is different from a grown ass woman at 50.
Fighting, like I always said like like I’ve, always said before women we don’t decline right as as we age our bones, get harder.
We, our bodies, get more solid right.
We start to have you know, uh, that estrogen runs low and, and we become more, you know um.
We we become harder in that sense right, so we shouldn’t that the stifling of an aging woman right, how a woman ages it.
It actually stifles our industry because, as I’ve said, uh a woman Fighters Peak is 35 between the ages of 35 and I would say 40, and I would say she can still abroad – can still stick around to up to 50.
.
We have some great Crohn’s out here.
Some great dragons out here I call them Crohn’s um when you get to 30 35 you’re a prone right on up till about uh 45, and then, after that, you become a dragon out here and what it is is they leave the dragons alone in the dragons Fall asleep become sleeping dragons because I guess nobody wants to fight the grown ass woman but they’re out there, and I want to see it, I’m looking for it, I’m looking forward to it.
I do some of the best fights I ever saw was some grown-ass women in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot.
Okay, so listen we’re not We’re Not Gon na.
Take It there because y’all know sugar, love the Washington fights the the basement, fights the club fights the bar fights this.
That’S that [ __ ] that made sugar okay.
So I I encourage the Badness.
I encourage the women who have uh shedded, that cloak right and and and gone in and became free uninhibited when she steps through the ropes and expresses herself that way, um and so wrap the show up a little bit early tonight.
I guess you guys.
I wish I wish some more people would have came to chime in there’s some stuff coming up in in the in actually the game of of um in the game out here, meaning we got that big card coming up from May 20th uh, where God, the darling Katie Taylor is now fighting the Bulldog uh uh uh Chantel Cameron, okay, which is a fight that I I actually would would love to see, should have been a super fight, but you know um, as I’ve said in previous episode.
You know Chantelle wanted to slide in and leave her Legacy as a last minute.
I want to see how it turns out.
I also um want to see how Harper does and you know, uh battling the long tooth, uh Cecilia break us there’s some more there’s.
There’S a lot more um in interesting matchups coming up and what I will do is I will update.
We will update the conversation you guys next Wednesday at 7, 30.
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Okay, uh we’re gon na work on these technical difficulties.
You guys out here, and you guys, drop in in the comments which you, which you would like to talk about.
What you would like to hear would you would like uh sugar to explore in our industry of women’s boxing and it could be anything y’all anything.
Oh um, so we got SSP diving, saying been listening while running errands great show sugar, oh baby.
Thank you.
Thanks for listening to your shook uh and what kind of errands you over there running, I need you to stuff.
For me too.
I wish you got on the task list, I’m so glad that you chose shook to um to listen.
Listen to while you get your stuff done baby and I hope uh you do.
I hope you get everything done and I hope you doing you do it well.
Uh finish your errant running your errands very well um but, like I said, SSP diving.
If you could think about something that you would love to see in any female in any woman behaving badly and she does not have to be a female boxer.
So to speak.
Think about think about the one time where the couple times that you’ve seen abroad get real real, loose real, crazy out there in these streets and tell me what you liked about it.
Yeah, because you know the the thing is um.
There’S an un there’s a freedom too in when you guys watch us right because y’all are there and y’all are legitimately enjoying us behaving badly and there are some things that y’all really like, but y’all won’t tell us y’all, don’t tell y’all just watch, don’t just watch.
We want we, we like we like the lip service too, tell us what you like, so we can give you more of it and that’s how that works.
Yeah um, because we we want to know right.
That’S what sells that’s.
What sells our business, um SSP, diving, says, haha, I think bumgardner is the perfect example of what you’re describing I you know what uh P diving.
I I would say that that I would put her knowing knowing the baddies out here.
So, yes, I think um.
I love bumgardner’s swag and I she has grown into that she has grown into it legitimately right, she’s gone in there.
She was an amateur, she was like she, she had the baby fat.
She came out a wet nose.
She got her ass handed to her by uh, Christina Leonardo he came licked.
Her wounds came back step.
Two, the Barbie Michaela Meyer said she was going.
Dog walked abroad, went in there and let it all hang out and took that girl belt.
Yes right, but it’s it, I mean that’s one way and I enjoy uh the way she she did.
It there’s so many other baddies out here and I don’t think the platform.
I don’t think these promoters, I don’t think Eddie Hearn and them are doing us any justice uh with showing really who and what’s out there right um.
There was just so that the the match-ups was just were so much more interesting, uh to me back in the day back in the times right, because there were different personalities there there were there.
There were different ways to get to the to get to the cookies.
You know what I’m saying there was the there was the big broad There Was.
You know the the the um masculine broad.
You know the the the there there was the real feminine broad, but all of us went in there and and shedded that cloak and got wild in there with each other got wild in there with each other and y’all like it.
Now we watching some [ __ ] out here, where you know women are out here.
Trying to that like and boxing or or you know, fighting like how dudes fight, not you know, there’s there’s a there’s a uh there’s a line there right because Shug went in there right and and shook moved in that assertive uh way that a lot of masculine A lot of our masculine peers move, but I still had the Finesse of a woman in there and I still got wild and I still showed that side that that that nasty that that um people want to see or people wanted to see, get beat right.
Um yeah, even my outfits, I went in there right, I went in there, they talk about my.
I went in there with the lingerie right and and when I fell, I I fell and maybe you could get a little Peak right and but when I stood and I dropped another broad, I stood over her.
So she can get a peek.
You know what I’m saying that was the swag that we had in there um SSP Diamond, says: swag confidence skills looks she’s great for women’s boxing.
I think she is a great uh contribution right now to women’s boxing uh young uh young, Miss bumgardner um SSP, diving says as far as prospects go Beatrice: Ferreira, Raven, Chapman and Shanika Johnson um.
Absolutely love Beatrice Ferreira, future champ, okay, so uh SSP diving.
What are you feeling? Okay, she reminds me of Amanda, Nunes and Amanda.
Nunes was no joke right yeah, and I, like that you’re saying that I like that you you bringing up other fighters to say she reminds me of right.
So uh Beatrice Ferreira reminds you of uh Amanda Nunes and I believe um Amanda Nunes was more um, Amanda Nunes.
She a banger, SSP diving.
She she was like a um uh, uh, um phlegmatic.
You know pressing fighter.
You tell me what what style did she have remind me? Um, I SSP diving says yes see.
I know what I’m talking about baby um, just a bad mofo right, okay, yes, ah you get you’ve given it to me.
I love that now we talking now we’re talking, SSP, diving and, and you felt that she a bad [, __ ] in there right and it it was just um that swag you were feeling it um uh Raven Chapman, not familiar with that one um, but I’ve Been hearing a lot about this, your Nika Johnson, okay and I, I think Beatrice um, she’s, more rounded, more so than Shanika Johnson.
If we’re gon na make the, I think she was she’s becoming more complete um, like I said, raven Chapman I haven’t um.
I haven’t seen any footage on her Shanika Johnson.
I’Ve been seeing the footage I I personally think she needs a bit more growth, um she’s, very aggressive and Powerful.
Yes, but I oh I’ve been saying this.
Okay, Shanika has a lot of potential, but shanika’s powerful power and aggressiveness can also be her CR.
It could also be her Crux right, her downfall right because I don’t see where she shows any versatility behind that right and I have been I.
I have been stuck that way too, where uh, when they used to call me too bad right.
I came out and they called me too bad, because all my punches had bad intentions behind it right every punch I swung was a hard punch, a hurt and punch, and after a while um people came to expect that so then they developed a solution to that.
[ __ ], so in there I mean not sugar, I wouldn’t sugar.
Yeah too bad is in there swinging and now they’re absorbing the shots.
And what happens? Not all of us got that you know um Duracell up our booties right.
You gon na run out and you’re gon na run out of power.
You’Re gon na run out of energy right, and so, when you don’t have power how you gon na be aggressive.
How else can you be aggressive, Shanika right show me what you can do show me how you can still make this fight happen for yourself right, because me I’m putting it out there in in cyberspace, um anybody who fights sure need it and sure Nica Johnson.
All you got ta do is tighten up on your defense, stand right in front of that broad because she ain’t beating down no walls and Shanika leaks in there right every time she gets in there.
She leaks right and you can turn a fight around with that.
Shanika, if you out here, listening or shanika’s people them, if you out here listening baby, you got great potential.
I see you right, but you need you need a lot more.
You need to grow a bit more.
Those people they’re putting in front of you that Taylor Made to make you look like Queen Kong out here right.
What you want to do is you want to develop and become shernika, whoever it is you out here.
They call you sugar out here, but I’m sorry, baby sugar is um.
They call her what sugar needs.
I’M sorry baby, you got, ta earn that name sugar and I don’t see you doing nothing sweet in there.
You ain’t, even stopping or dropping nobody.
You leaking that ain’t kidding that ain’t sugar, that ain’t sweet, nobody in the history of boxing whoever been called sugar, was a leaker.
Okay, put some respect on that name baby.
Let me see what my guys are talking about, so SSP diving, says: Chapman is decent European level Prospect? Okay, so she got that European style behind her Michael Oher comes in and says: miyomoto is going to take Johnson’s title um, so Michael Orr and Michael Orr’s been talking about this.
This young, broad uh Miyamoto out of New Zealand too right Mike um.
I’Ve been hearing a lot and and looks like the the the competition threshold has been like.
The the game has been getting up and up the thing I turn up over there in New Zealand right.
These broads are getting better and better because they’re bouncing off of each other right, so the it’s it’s starting to the pot’s starting to Bubble over there and I, like it SSP diving, says Shanika.
Finally with a consistent trainer.
I agree lots of potential but lots to prove, and that’s all I’m saying baby um SSP diving says unfamiliar with Miyamoto I’ll look into her.
Please do because I love when uh you um SS people like uss.
ssp, diving and Michael Oher and myself can get together and really really uh.
Have a good Cipher have a good session where we’re bouncing off of each other um uh, let’s see Michael Orr, says Mia is four division.
Women champion SSP, diving, says yeah facts: okay, Michael Orr, says out of New Zealand.
Like I said, the pot’s bubbling, SSP Diamond says, shame her fight with Ellie Scott and he got pulled from the Taylor Cameron, undercard um, and so why do y’all think why do y’all think that that fight got pulled right? I’M feeling like there’s some Shenanigans under that under that um pulling of the fight because um, I don’t think they had that under card slated um when it was when the card was first established and um.
It was supposed to be Taylor versus Serrano.
Who was the undercard, who were the bras supposed to be fighting under them on the card? That’S why you know I I wasn’t wasn’t I wasn’t too clear on that right and then all of a sudden when Serrano dropped out all of these Natchez came about right.
Now Harper is fine.
Um, oh wait! A minute.
Ssp diving, says Cameron released a statement today.
What would she say come on shared a tea, SSP Diamond, come on.
Let me get a sip of some of your tea.
What’S the statement, what what camera said um so SSP diving, it says Cameron says she has problems with someone in Ellie.
Scottney’S camp sounds like PS, ptstd, not sure post-traumatic.
Well, what’s PTSD post-traumatic foreign I used to I, it comes and goes y’all help me with that.
Um Set uh SSP Diamond says she said a lot without saying much.
Oh I like the way you talk where you been at.
You know you got ta, keep tell you, you got me, I I like what you’re saying she said a lot without saying much.
Oh I, like I love when people read between the lines you smart baby, you, smart, um, Michael Oher, says Cameron, forces scottney off the show.
Ssp diving says she signed a non-disclosure agreement.
So can’t say much.
I guess.
Oh okay, then so I mean look at that too.
Right look at that to where the big name now um, I guess she’s saying I won’t fight or I’m not going to take the fight if this broad’s on the show, if this bar is going to fight on the show.
What’S that, what’s that she did say a lot without saying much.
What kind of [ __ ] is that right, um, Michael Oher says Cameron’s decision was due to her past experiences with scotney’s head trainer.
She Shane McGuinn, [, Music, ], mcguan, Gwen y’all know I will and I don’t mean to do it.
I always say it I’ll, I’ll, tear a name up, but it’s all behind love.
I’M sorry, Michael Orr says McGuinn was the head trainer of Cameron until 2019.
Okay, SSP dive in says Nick said they’re trying to reschedule the fight in scrutiny’s, hometown, um and SSP.
Diving says I heard that too Mike, oh, so so bronze is up here.
Now we got the pot.
Now they got the power to cut a [, __ ] money and cut the dudes uh money right cut.
A Joe’s money said you ain’t, making no money on my damn card to the left, to the left, everything everything you do to the on your ass to the left: you’re, not you’re, not fighting on this card.
This is a power move, but you know, like I’ve said in the previous show right.
I don’t know if Cameron doing this Cameron doing this.
What kind of longevity do y’all see in in can is Cameron making these moves, because she knows that she got.
She got a lot of stuff coming ahead of her because you know when you make when you cut somebody’s, you know when you cut somebody’s water in in especially women’s boxing right.
It’S it’s.
It ain’t, even 60 degrees of separation.
It’S on some Three Degrees of Separation.
They gon na get you back right, so [, Music, ], um, sorry y’all um.
Would somebody wants sugar out here, but less than sugar belong to you right now for a couple more minutes, um Michael Oher comes in and says a few years ago.
I almost walked away from the sport.
I love because of of what I went through with my team.
I would have hoped that she would have understood the situation and how important um our mental health is is going into fights like these, especially as the away fighter in Dublin, where Katie is hailed as okay.
I guess she’s hail yeah, but you know y’all.
This is the thing too um.
This is the thing too y’all.
Let me multi um, you know what you signed up for.
That’S all you know this is where I’m coming in right: um, the mental health thing and everything, okay um.
She she almost walked away from the sport because she realized that this is some doggy dog [ __ ] out here, especially in women’s boxing right um.
We have all experience this Cry Me.
A River hoe, um, sorry Cry Me a River right.
I said that to say this: we should still have enough uh respect for the game enough to take our L’s and not try to cut each other’s water coming up in this, because if you cut somebody women’s boxing is you know it’s a karmatic type of sport? You gon na get it back.
Somebody will cut your ass cut your water right.
So let everybody live and get your comeuppance when you when, when you really got your roots down in the ground, um Michael Orr says as an okay.
So Katie Taylor is known as a National Treasure uh and she said the last thing I need is more intimidation.
Cameron stated now I’m starting I’m I’m I’m starting to get a a.
You know I’m starting to get get a a little nasty taste from what Cameron’s saying um.
I wanted to say this big: no, don’t nobody care about what you thinking you better go in there and try to win and win.
I remember being I I remember um back in the day, and this was from a female trainer.
Okay, the great Gloria Peak right and I was trying to act.
All um, like my like my panties, was in my in my in my butt in my butt crease.
You know when you get your page, she was like.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
If, if you guys, if your thong is, is cross your ass in your boxing trunks, you better go in there and beat this broad, that’s what you need to do, and I was like you mean she says nobody.
Nobody is thinking about how you feel you’re supposed to be prepared for this moment, you’re supposed to know that there there’s going to be intimidation, you’re supposed to be prepared to be booed, you’re supposed to be be prepared for for everything right this.
We we not getting ready for we’re we’re not getting ready for a dance off just saying Dancing with the Stars.
This is a fight, there’s gon na be intimidation.
That’S the beauty of what pugilism and boxing is.
Am I tough enough to persevere through this? Damn hurricane? Am I gon na still stand after this, and sometimes the victory is that I’m still standing in this [ __ ]? If y’all know what I mean right, it ain’t the hand raised.
This is what I’m talking about.
What makes a good woman boxer, I don’t need them to next.
You know we next, you know we’re going to have some broads, I’m I’m on my period.
Double it’s about your hormonal intimidate.
Doesn’T that this! This is where that this is where now we got to get off that line, this ain’t, the line we want to be walking on with women Behaving Badly right.
We want the women Behaving Badly.
That knows: yeah yeah, I’m walking up in this um she’s a National Treasure and I’m a snatch that [ __ ] belt right.
That’S the swag! That’S the Moxie! That’S the feel that I need from somebody who’s.
Gon na you have the nerve.
Like Cameron Cameron, you really so so you really thought that she was gon na, take a fight with Katie Taylor in her damn Home Country.
Finally, she’s fighting in her damn home country and there’s not going to be intimidation.
I don’t need any more intimidation, [, __ ].
Well, what’s a couple months, what’s a couple? Well, what’s a couple extra booze, they often a boo, your ass, you trying to you’re trying to deflower or you’re trying to take something from their National treasury who’s gon na cheer for you over there.
This is what I don’t get that we got ta stop it.
We got ta, stop it Michael Orton, by LMAO, y’all, listen, y’all, see I’m SSP Diamond talking about.
Oh damn laughing, listen to talk just how we talk.
Okay, just talking to talk and and sugar, don’t sugar coat it I’m always loyal to the truth.
You know what I’m saying um and what I’m saying is this.
You know it um, SSP Diamond, says: yeah, don’t turn this into men’s boxing right? Well, we got.
Was it the little boy Garcia talking about I’m taking time out for a mental health break you’re? Taking her oh, oh well, mama need to switch titties.
I mean come on now.
Don’T bring that don’t bring that over here.
Don’T bring that up.
Don’T bring that in here right, Jane couch, UK’s Legend said she slept in a damn stairwell the night before Championship 10 round fight.
You think she was thinking about intimidation when she flew her ass six to eight hours over.
She knew what she signed up for.
She knew what she was getting into.
She knew she was gon na.
She was finna, get loose and freaky in there.
This is what makes the big bucks.
This is what sells right this other stuff.
Now that we’re entertaining, I can’t believe.
I can’t believe she let out that statement girl.
Oh no.
She lost a couple points with me on this one with that one, no girl, don’t do that.
Um SSP, diving says: you’ve got to cut this up and post it sugar, listen.
You are y’all like when I eat when I act up out here.
Y’All like it, but I like to act up see.
I can’t act up in a ring, no more, but I should I.
I certainly love to act up and like I listen, I I still.
I I still put the pedal to the metal right.
I just don’t.
I’Ve never been the type of broad to to just speak and and talk a lot matter of fact.
I I didn’t.
I spoke sign language yeah.
I spoke with my hands right, so um, I’m not saying anything that I wouldn’t not say to her face or anywhere else you know this is.
This is all with love right.
I I really Chantelle Cameron is actually one of my um favorite uh female Fighters.
Right now um, but this this, where she going um just like uh SSP, diving, is saying um when um, when SSP diving says uh she’s, she said uh uh.
She said a lot without saying much.
That’S a bar right! There.
You dropped that! That’S that’s! A serious bar you dropped tonight, SSB diving, um yeah.
She started she’s sounding like she sounding like she’s starting to lose in her mind and she she she sounded like uh, she’s, second guessing what she signed up for and that ain’t I don’t know um.
She may have to learn from this one.
This may have to be a lesson that she learns um to make her a greater fighter down the road in the long run right because listen, there are several times where all of us broads out here uh have felt like we were gon na walk away from This damn thing, but something kept us in here in it something kept us I get.
I think it’s the it it’s the thrill of uh freedom that you have in the ring right, the thrill of that nakedness, where I’m I’m letting it all hang out, and you know everything that I’ve worked for up to this time mentally physically, emotionally right and all
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