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EPISODE: Episode 10
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Transcribed:
[, Music ], damn um [, Music, ], hey boxing fans around the world.
Thank you once again for joining us here.
On talk and fight.
We got tim witherspoon in the house.
Uh mike and cedric are elsewhere this evening, probably watching some fights um, hey tim, how you doing i hear you’re at moonshine what’d, a friend of mine, uh jewish mind.
We played football together, his name samuel, bitman uh.
When i was young, when i was young, he had money when he was in elementary school.
He had a business mind now he’s got a nice place, uh called moonshines down on southerly, where all the irish, with irish neighborhood right on so you’re having a few drinks watching some boxing huh.
Are you watching some boxing down there? Are you watching some boxing yeah uh hold on? Are we live? We’Re live okay.
This is what’s your name again everything this is a podcast.
That’S right! So we’re having a lot of fun.
Moonshine philly, that’s his weapon, that’s good! Graham! These are what you want to hear from martin tonight.
I might even hear lagoon on mars, but you’re here live on williamson avenue with the champ.
That’S right! This is my old neighborhood.
This is my old neighborhood.
They allow you back there like we’re gon na sing.
It again: okay, yeah, do you wan na put tim in the green room, and i i’ll just run through these fights.
I’Ll put you in the green room tim.
Let’S try.
Let’S try that again for all right.
Thank you very much.
Okay, we’re gon na just run through a couple of uh the weekend’s fights um where’s the guinness.
I tell you not in my hand, right now, but uh.
If i had someone to run upstairs for me right now, they’d grab me a guinness because i got some in the fridge all right um.
I am i’m deadly curious to see whether or not we’re going to see an anti-joshua tyson, fury fight in december uh.
I don’t think it’s been confirmed yet, but i know negotiations are underway to have that.
Take place.
Gon na be interesting to see if it does happen and what will happen in the aftermath uh.
But tonight there’s a there’s a really good fight going on uh maduda versus takam, that’s taking place in montreal a couple of big boys.
I think they’re both undefeated.
Let’S have a quick look here: uh! Oh no! No uh, mahmoud off is 14-0 14 knockouts and he’s uh going up against carlos taka, i’m 39 6-1.
So that’s going to be a really really good fight.
In my humble opinion, heavyweights going at it uh coming up as well.
We’Ve got joe joyce and joseph parker going toe-to-toe.
That’S going to be a good one to watch as well, so the heavyweight division is starting to shake out a little bit.
But, as i said a few weeks ago, i’m really looking forward to um tyson fury, making up his mind quite frankly, and stop uh holding up the bus um.
You know, i think uh we’ve got uh ruiz and ortiz.
That fight uh that took place is really starting to show some uh dominance.
I’M looking forward to the uh the fury versus michael hunter fight uh, so the heavyweights are really going at it now um as they should, as they always should.
I’M looking forward as well.
Seeing my looking forward, uh cap is on tonight uh jared, big baby anderson go up against daniel dubois.
I hope that really takes place um that will make announce the entry, if you will, of the new young american heavyweights into the english world of boxing um.
So, anyway, just thought that bring up the speed on some of the heavyweights that are going toe-to-toe in the next uh couple of months.
As i said, um fury’s going nowhere all right, carl.
I i just wish what i’m saying is.
I wish he would just want once and for all, either retire go off to his uh one of his many villas and uh, and and that we that way we can just clear out the top of the division, whether whether yousick can continue his uh maintain control Of that division, or not, i don’t know, but i would have liked to have seen fury and music go at it to see if they could unify that division uh.
I am curious to see, though, whether anthony joshua can pull out that victory.
Oh, i forgot to mention deontay wilder’s, going up against uh robert hellenius pretty soon uh, so we’ve got all the all the all the top heavyweights.
I know otto wallen um is practicing uh he’s down.
Where is he he’s on the west coast somewhere of america uh? With malik scott and malik scott was chiming in on some of the upcoming fights as well.
Hey tim.
If you can hear me, i’m curious as to what you think about this triple g versus canelo alvarez fight.
That’S going on! I know uh triple g.
At 40 years of age is probably past his prime, but he’s saying some interesting things but uh.
I think i agree with a lot of the pundits who have said quite frankly that you know canelo can wear him out.
If you will give him a few body shots here and there um realistically uh, i i think wilder jones after lost [, Music, ] wilder versus joshua.
In my opinion, you know what i just don’t like deontay wilder re-entering the ring.
Uh he’s had some brain issues um, you know he should really take care of his health.
He’S made enough money to look after his daughter put her through a hospital pay, her bills, etc.
That’S why he got into fighting in the first place um.
Does he really need to take on auntie? Joshua doesn’t really need to happen.
In my humble opinion, um.
You know i’m not really quite sure that british boxing is leading the way um.
Yes, eddie hearn is doing his best to make sure that the auntie joshua fights tyson fury to maintain that positioning from a branding perspective.
But realistically we’ve got a lot of great fighters coming from all four corners of the earth right now and i’m really looking forward to hearing what tim had to say about all this.
But uh he’s uh he’s on on a patio in south philly uh at a place called moonshine and he’s not looking at the boxing.
That’S going on tonight.
He’S looking at the bands that are playing uh and philly, as you might know, has had a great music scene uh to complement the great boxing scene over the years as well.
So um, as i said mike, is not joining us cedric’s, not joining us uh tim’s.
Having a good time on a patio and i’m looking forward to watching that uh fight out of montreal, as i said, um macmudoff is going up against carlos takum tonight.
Um you know put on by the boys over.
I have the tiger management.
That’S going to be a really really good fight.
I know it’s broadcast live on punching grace and espn, plus in the united states, uh, also on that card by the way: uh stephen butler uh, a big middleweight he’s 33 and one 25 knockouts going into the rings that to face uh mark deluca, 28 and 360 Knockouts, so a good fight night down in montreal uh this evening, uh taking place uh, might be underway right now.
Actually, so that’s where i’m heading uh right now to go, have a look at that fight.
As i said, i’m looking forward to the joe joyce joseph parker fight coming up uh.
I really want to see whether or not um eddie hearn can get his way with respect to having auntie joshua step into the ring and actually face tyson fury, uh yeah.
I don’t know, i think i think tyson period actually win that one, that’s uh, no anywhere near them, yeah.
Well, that’s because of the uh promoters, um, so car from last spell boxing uh he’s saying you know: birch fighters are the best in the world and uh and i would argue, simply um wait till you see him carl uh jared big baby anderson is, is don’t Mess with that name, i’m telling you um you’re gon na look like a fool and uh carl.
You don’t wan na look like a fool um.
You know i think deontay wilder should retire.
I think uh jared adamson maybe needs a couple of fights under his uh belt here in north america before going over to the uk uh.
But you know the top of the division.
Right now is a bit scattered and you can’t say the british fighters are the best, because usic right now is controlling it.
Um you know, helenius is gon na.
You know he might.
He might quite frankly, knock out and kill deontay wilder um.
So we’ll see where that goes and uh.
Believe me, carl jared anderson is at that level he’s a big boy and he knows how to box seriously so uh.
You know the americans have quite a few heavyweights coming up uh that uh, you know they’re under the radar, no he’s not hyped john dude seriously.
The guy is big, he’s brutal and he knows how to box he’s a smart guy and he’s.
I think they should take his time with him and uh.
You know let him work himself out um, but you know that the talk is he’s going to be up against daniel dubois and uh, and that’s fine that’d be a good fight.
I’M not going to say it isn’t going to be a good fight.
The only reason tyson fury controls the division.
In my humble opinion, in reply to carl uh simply is because of his big mouth uh.
But, as malik scott pointed out in a conversation he was having on us media yesterday, quite frankly, uh there are some some faults to his sport and you know how he plays his game.
Quite frankly, in the ring uh, you can take advantage of him if you’re, a smart, uh, boxer and uh.
You know tyson fury’s had his way with certain boxers in the past without a doubt, um, but letting his arms drop, for example, is not the smart thing to do while you’re, while you’re uh exposed like that, you can get hit and you can go down and Quite frankly, i believe it was in the to the fourth or the sixth round yeah, where fury did go down back up.
Hey tim, can you hear me, hey tim? No, your mic is mute.
My friend hey um anyway, um u6 is more of a cruiserweight.
To begin with, uh, i agree with that: uh fury’s, definitely a heavyweight a super heavyweight.
If you ask me, um malik scott could not help wilder win.
I would argue uh, but nonetheless he’s a smart guy, he’s a good trainer and a smart guy, and he knows his boxing so from an analytics perspective.
He knows what he’s talking about um, but i’m curious carl, who do you think’s, going to win between canal alvarez and triple g um, my money’s on canelo alvarez, but i wouldn’t win much because he is the favorite uh.
Triple g is the underdog, but he’s 40 years old.
I think canelo is 32, but again as uh.
Our friend christian von sponik has often told us.
You know that canelo takes these fights for very specific reasons.
How do you know until he sorts himself out so for all the boxing fans out there, carl uh from last week, boxing a great show out of the uk um is saying he believes canelo will win by stoppage and by round 10 or he’s actually picking around Chad, if he’s a betting man he’s a he um and he also says he thinks triple g will perform better than people think, but we’ll come up short yeah i can.
I can hear you tim.
I had to run.
I had to go away from where i was um.
I didn’t forget about the podcast.
I just had to come down here and see my friend uh samia bittman for a long time.
This is a kid, a jewish kid that i knew in fourth grade.
I want to change the subject.
I’Ma say real, quick.
This kid had a lot of money in his pocket and all these years, um he’d been building up.
Now he got his own place.
I should have been his friend.
I would still have some money when we were in third grade.
He would come to school with a lot of money.
This i should have been following around all my life.
He got a club here, he’s making money he’s the nicest guy in the world and he was a linebacker for south philadelphia.
I was a tight end, so he invited me down and i know i had to do the podcast but um.
Then they got this guy’s.
French sinatra like singer over here, so i might have to come off the podcast okay, yeah, no problem.
Just let me ask you a quick question: if you can hear me who do you think is going to win canelo alvarez or triple g gennady golovkin? Who do you think is going to win um? My my opinion, my honest opinion.
I think that and you’re not like this.
I think that is the money.
It’S a money situation.
I think these guys are just going to show up just for the for the money.
This might sound bad become um.
You know, i think that they’re gon na yeah they’re gon na definitely fight, but there’s no meaning to the fight to me.
There’S no meaning.
I think it’s about money, um and and that’s the bottom line i mean i knew they was fighting and everything uh a lot of other people probably want to definitely see them.
I think it’s more so about money, not the not the uh, the uh history and all that i think it’s about.
Okay, i think it’s about the money thing um, i hate to say that um.
But that is a fight that, despite that that everybody wants to fight again, it is a fight.
Everybody would like to see [ __, ] them fight, but yeah, but i do believe it’s about money also, this time.
Well, it makes sense it’s being taking place in las vegas being promoted as part of the mexican independence day.
Celebrations uh they’re happening all this weekend.
Las vegas is going to be rampant with and uh the box fan expo is taking place down the convention center in las vegas this weekend as well.
So it’s gon na be a very popular event to attend.
Can i ask you a question? Um connect your questions.
Yeah go for it.
I wish the [ __ ] uh from either fighter winning or losing.
What’S the benefit uh.
No, i’m agreeing with you uh.
I.
I firmly believe that canelo alvarez uh is going to win this one triple g he’s now: 40 years old.
He’S past his prime i’m not going to say he’s uh much slower because he could probably knock my block off um, but the point of the matter is is canelo is only 32 33 years old he’s got many.
Many fights to go.
Uh tripp triple g’s, has had his run and he’s he’s had a good run.
The pure boxing fan out there wants to see this trilogy fight take place.
I think just to settle the final score if you will, but i really think firmly it’s gon na land in uh canelo, alvarez’s favor.
I agree with you it’s for the money yeah, but – and you know another thing too, when people say the age and everything um, i do believe that um, i don’t think it.
I don’t think that an age thing, a layoff when you lay off for a long time that has a lot to do with it.
But if you stay active um, you know a lot of those older guys got older tricks, they get seasoning and they might.
They might surprise you, so there might be some surprises um and he might have rested up.
He might have got a good rest for this particular fight.
So he’d come out.
He might come out and do some damage.
You never know, but these guys that’s making money.
They start to relax even alvarez.
You know they’re making money, he was the baddest dude around.
Nobody touch them um, you know they start to relax, they got the money they got, their family got big houses, um like anthony, joshua and tyson fury them got big, big big houses, they got money endlessly.
It does affect the mental process in your brain, so um um.
You know that has a lot to do with it.
That has a lot to do with it.
The young one up who’s hungry and everything been there and done it, and – and i do believe that um having fame and having a lot of money and people uh, you know really supporting them.
Um make them relax and we might not get the fight that we want to get, but that’s the way it is.
You know you got all that money.
It’S gon na make you.
You got a lot of things.
There’S not too many people to keep up to keep keep that momentum up.
Partying, your friends want to come out.
You want to go, have fun, so it’s not like you used to be in good shape before you know and and um you know with me.
I never had a chance because i never got the big money.
I was always so.
I do believe that that could be the case also yeah without a doubt and as carl is pointing out uh in the comments section here.
You know the 168 pound division.
Its loss has been a bit shine um, but i i you know, i think after this fight i mean.
Is it going to be andy ruiz? It’S lined up against canelo alvarez that’ll be a good fight quite frankly, but louise he’s a heavyweight i.
What oh hang on.
Let me have a quick check here.
Andy rooney is right right: louise ortiz, andy ridgeman, yeah, yeah, you’re, right, you’re right he’s a heavyweight he’s.
The guy who’s won that heavyweight super middleweight up to 168 pounds canal alvarez, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry, you know who i’m thinking of caleb plant is actually i th he might be fighting down in philadelphia, actually pretty soon yeah plant plant.
I heard heard that me pretty he’s pretty good, pretty sharp um, it’s just a lot of like patient theory fight.
I love both of those guys, but it’s it’s all about baby and the money you know, and it’s making things look to me to look a little phony.
I know they’re going to fight anthony joshua, anthony joshua, um um need he needs a new trainer.
He needs what are you going to keep the same people? You got dante wilder.
I was looking at some videos, all offense, no defense he’s coming back, which is good everything’s.
Coming back, i’m looking at all these thoughts nobody’s working on the things they need to win.
Anthony joshua, no dante water.
I see him doing pad work all week.
Long, no defense mechanism in in involved in it everything’s offense right he’s going to have trouble.
Anthony joshua is going the same problem if he doesn’t get some help.
So it’s a shame.
You’Re going to see the same stuff over again tyson fury is a very smart he’s not going to ask to fight him unless you know you’re going to win yeah right, you know so anthony johnson’s when he and andy josh was going along with it and i’m Gon na tell you some other guys, i love them, but that’s really crazy.
You want to go to saudi arabia and fight anthony joshua when anthony joshua just lost.
He just lost his fight.
You said: that’s right, i think that’s going to make boxing loop, even though they’re going to make a lot of money.
That’S not the right decision.
He should fight the next man in line.
Anthony’S joshua should get a trainer and look better.
It looks phony to me.
No, i love these guys.
Listen.
I love these guys and i hate to make comments negatives about them, because if mike tyson do it, they don’t say no they’re scared like – and i love like to my man.
It might take to say these things.
I say they want you, but a nice guy.
Like me, heavyweight champ, like me, say: oh man, you know malik scott, wanted to call thing and – and you know he wouldn’t have said nothing to mike tyson – that’s why i give mike a lot of respect.
He said it’s okay, but nice guy, like me, say, and i’m nice like mike, it’s cool, but i’m a nice guy too.
But that’s a shame to me.
You’Re gon na question me man and tim you, my brother.
He was why you want to say that he wouldn’t say that to mike that’s probably mike got it going on, wow got ta get back into the to get back into the uh.
The thing i listen for another five minutes – and then i go back – is that okay, yeah man go, have fun, go, have fun, we’ll talk to you next week.
What do you think? What do you think about what i just got finished saying: oh um? I i think, there’s been a lot of discussion in the industry about uh.
You know why it’s so clogged up and i think a big part of the reason is money.
Uh.
A lot of people are feeling very comfortable with the money they have in their pockets.
Right now, it’s not so much about their records.
It’S about how to get more of that money, quite frankly, uh, but what you know i think, by this time next year.
So yes, the full year has got to go by and a few few things will shake out in the heavyweight division uh.
I think i just i just wish, and i just wish tyson fury would make up his mind and simply retire or not.
That’S all.
I’M asking i just wanted like to make up his mind, anthony joshua.
I think he had his bell rung uh deontay wilder’s had his bell rung um.
You know it’s time to step aside and let some of these other guys uh take a chance at some of these titles.
You know, listen but like every one of those heavyweights hit the canvas, there’s something wrong with their defense.
You know what i’m saying: look when i was fighting when i was fighting not too many guys hit the deck like they did.
Each one dante wilder tyson, fury, anthony johnson, andy viewers, everyone who hit the deck there’s something wrong with the skills and the defense.
They really they don’t really a good job.
They’Re nice guys.
I love them all of them.
They got ta tighten got to do bring some of us old-timers back that notice skills to help you and money is causing greed.
You know it’s causing greed and people to make the wrong decisions.
You know get them guys in there.
That’S going to help you that’s the bottom line.
There you go smoking like a true champ.
Listen i’m going back into into the to the face over there and um.
I really appreciate you guys having me on um i’m.
I wish i could stay on longer.
Um, i’m right down south philly right near the italian market, where sylvester stallone made made this movie.
I’M only like five minutes away, but i’m waiting, i’m right in the irish neighborhood i went to school.
I went to school down here and one of my friends invited me to uh his club.
It’S not a club, it’s a place where you eat and everything.
So i want to see everybody next week.
I’M sorry, i can’t make it sorry, graham um, and i forgot about i should i should let you know that i’m gon na be on, but it’s just okay.
I just want to go back.
Thank you very much and i’ll see you next week.
Is that? Okay? Graham that’s perfect thanks thanks a lot appreciate you coming on.
Thank you.
This is there.
You go boxing fans south philly at its finest moonshine.
Moonshine, yes, yes, hold on live action.
A lot of people who don’t want to be this is a singer live.
Oh, you got.
You got that we might have some uh copyright issues.
I’Ll see you later all right tim! Thank you all right, okay, see you later so car your last comment here.
It doesn’t matter who trains aj, he doesn’t beat fury, no matter eh.
You know what that’s my whole point.
It doesn’t matter um.
What i would like to see is tyson fury retire once and for all uh, because he’s got enough money, aj had a shot and he should step aside quite frankly or go beat up on lesser man.
Um usyk, maybe he’s going back to ukraine.
Who knows um.
You know deontay wilder is going to get his bell rung by helenius and he’ll, be out of action permanently um joe joyce joseph parker, i’m looking forward to it um jared anderson going up against daniel dubois looking forward to it.
If it happens, um you know.
So that’s you know.
I know you don’t think that uh jared anderson is maybe as good as some of the the better fighters in the uk, but i’m telling you wait.
Uh wait a few months, i’m telling you uh guys he’s going to be one to look out for and and there are others too coming up under him and not just uh, not just uh.
You know take a look at some of these transplanted russians who are training out of montreal these days, uh the guy i just mentioned.
Uh machmudoff he’s he’s huge and he’s a heavyweight and he’s he’s a he’s undefeated and i think all of his victories have come by way of knockout.
So again, look out for guys like that uh! That’S about my rant uh for today, guys thanks very much for joining me here on talk and fight, appreciate it um next week, uh i’ll invite carl the show we can go.
Toe-To-Toe um british versus the world in in the world of boxing and uh, see who comes out on top um.
You know i agree.
The 168 pound division uh had a quick look.
While tim was talking there, uh yeah, you got canelo, you got uh kayla plant.
Still up there, you got maybe andrade climbing the ranks a bit uh, and maybe david benavidez as well to to to round out that top grouping.
But at the end of the day, you’re right i mean who does canelo pick, he picks uh guys he can beat um, but he makes a lot of money doing it.
So what the heck and uh, but that’s what we want to try and eradicate and and change and transplant uh with some fighters who are of uh note and of worth it’s all hype, all right fight fans, that’s it for me, remember to like share subscribe hit.
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