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[, Music ], damn um, [, Music, ], hello, talking fight fans, thanks for tuning in to tonight’s episode of the friday night panel with yours, truly mike orr, and our one, and only tim, the terrible witherspoon man.
Where is he at the moment? Just get ready? He’S gon na join us um, so maybe i’ll just get us started off uh with some of the boxing that’s going on uh this week.
I can’t wait.
This is gon na, be a good one.
Uh, let’s start off with the canadian fights, that’s happening, guys uh.
Since you know we are canadian based out of toronto, so uh this saturday hamilton convention center hamilton, ontario, canada.
We have a nice card here and we have the wbc youth world light title up for grabs and that is between pedro bernal rodriguez, taking on george payne, and that one is for the wbc youth world light strap on this card.
Also, we have some young and up and coming men that are trying to keep their zeros intact.
Uh, that’s jake, doust uh who’s in 4-0, trying to improve to his fifth.
We got caroline redman antonio neapolitaniano uh.
We got artie and their, and then we have john michael bianco, and then we have the debut of derrick quick me so guys.
This is a good one, see it check it out.
The interior commission is putting this one on this is the hamilton convention center ontario, canada, wbc youth world bites tim.
How are you doing? Okay, everything good, i’m just trying to set everything up right.
I hear that i’m just rhyming off the fights that are going on in canada.
This weekend we got.
We got the wbc youth light, strap up for grabs up here and not in in toronto.
Well, actually hamilton.
Actually, okay say that again i said we had the we have the wbc youth strap up for grabs in canada.
This weekend.
Okay, there was a card, it’s uh, it’s great uh, shout out to carl who’s.
Uh who’s joined us man.
There is only one story.
This week lee woods versus laura.
This is true.
This is true, but uh yeah.
We got to touch on the fights this weekend.
Um, you know there is there.
Are there are some fights that really don’t matter, but uh? We do have the uh, pedraza and kami card coming up uh this one.
This one should be good man, there’s a lot of good fights on this one um.
You know two former world champions are set for an oklahoma showdown as jose sniper.
Pedraza will battle richard comey in the ten round: junior welterweight main event uh tomorrow night guys, it’s a hard rock uh in the ten round heavyweight co feature uh the fighting pride of toledo, ohio, undefeated, puncher jared, the real big baby anderson returns to action against the Veteran milan roveckin promoted by top rank guys uh with ludabella entertainment, this one, this one’s getting underway, uh.
What i’m excited for is this.
To be honest, man uh, there’s a lot of good fighters on this card, a lot of names that uh that i’ve been following through boxing and guys.
I want you to jump on board with me and watch this one uh.
You know fa jogba is on this.
One we got richard torres back in action, delonte, johnson, calvin davis, jeremiah milton abdullah, mason dante, benjamin just to name a few of these guys honestly guys.
This one is gearing up to be a good card tim.
What are your thoughts on on these cards? Man uh.
Somebody wants to know your thoughts on the aj performance, uh yeah.
I want to touch on that a little bit.
What did you? What did you think about aj’s performance tim? Well, i would like to get caught up caught up a lot on, like you’ve, been trying to get me ready for these.
These other guys and um i’ll be feeling bad.
I want to be getting involved with that and i’ll give you my word i will.
I will key in on that, so i can understand and let everybody understand you know whatever, how i feel so on the joshua fight yeah.
Let’S talk about that one that was a that was a big one.
It was a what it was a big one.
What did what did you think it was big, but to me to me it was boring again um, but the people and the and everything around it was exciting.
But the actual fight again wasn’t a typical to me championship fight they build up.
Had you feel like it when the bell ring, but as the fight went on and people would experience people? No boxing a shame.
I feel i feel sad for joshua, because his face of before could have been avoided if they would get the right person in the corner, and i keep all this week.
I’Ve been doing podcasts and videos showing how he could have hey, showing how he should have fought.
Uh um, you said so.
You know he should have stayed in it, tough, his and then he had his hands up.
He was getting hit.
You could tell you could tell he didn’t know he don’t know defense, you know it’s digging in bang, bang.
He could have got you step out of there, but you said: there’s no push over himself.
He moves a lot, he’s a mover and what you do with movers.
If you touch the closest thing to you yeah and then you start thinking like if you turn this way, because you move a lot, keep touching them they’re hard to get because they move real good.
But i think i know for a fact: joshua would have did 100 good if he were to get somebody in there to help him honestly boring fight.
It was uh, it was a repeat.
It was literally a repeat of the first one and look at the money that they made.
I know it’s unbelievable uh for me for me and what i saw uh fury beat susic.
I agree with carl 100 on that one i say: fury beats him uh.
You know what i was not impressed by any means, like even even usyk kind of still was pretty one-dimensional uh in in his game, and he didn’t really add too many new things.
He kind of did the same thing.
Uh, you know, aj kind of was a little busier than he was the last time, but still he wasn’t uh he didn’t perform like like like we expect grandma.
He wasn’t, he didn’t stand his ground and bang.
He just and there’s other methods like getting on the outside.
I did a video about it, uh catching them.
Nobody told him how to catch a jab.
If you notice in the fight he was going.
The first things you get taught is block a jab when the bell rings, what you do you throw jabs to try to determine who’s going to be the boss right dave? Nobody told him even how to just block a jab, keep it in front of your face, but one two one: two: if a little come just turn and catch it, then you fire yours basic stuff and i feel bad eddie hearns, making money, eddie, hearns and and Numb promoters are good at making money, but, like i was saying in the podcast just last week, if it was don king dennis rappaport uh bob aaron they would they would have got rid of him or kept.
It got a trainer.
Let him stay with the team, but got somebody in there that was capable.
Eddie hearns is looking at the money and i don’t think he really know boxing like we think he’d do, or else he would have got somebody to help him.
I’Ve been trying for the longest to help him stay in a tight dog and movers you push.
His touch was close to you.
Don’T try to hit him in the head hit him in the arm, hit him in the body he did well when he went to the body, but it’s almost like she went to the back.
He wasn’t he wasn’t able to get it going.
It’S like it’s like.
He would start, but couldn’t keep it.
He didn’t know because dave was busy telling them their right hand their right hand.
Oh maybe left hook, they didn’t, they wasn’t telling them to put pressure on.
You said they didn’t know how to tell them, and that was the downfall it may seem like.
I was begging and stuff like maybe get in there and help him, but i like the guy and it’s so easy.
What are these guys doing? The man legacy is messed up yeah, he could have been undefeated through dante, wilder two um.
He got a strong right hand and and if they would have made his jab just as strong as his right hand, he still would be undefeated if they would have told him to tighten his defense up and counter all the punches.
He still would be undefeated.
What’S the matter with these guys, these days they don’t know if home comers the managers are promoters in a minute.
They say.
Oh evidently, and i love eddie, earns uh um.
I did work with his father barry.
We did lord of the rings with tyson fury up in up in ireland.
Hey man, it’s a shame.
All these little things could have been taken.
Care of all they had to do was get the switch dante, wilder he’s he.
He got malik scott still working with him and i’m not saying malice.
I love.
I love malik scott.
I’Ve seen him work in the past.
No defense, everything’s everybody’s doing this in the boxing world, y’all [ Laughter, ], everybody everybody’s doing this and nobody’s doing this boom bag boom back over.
You know so i’m frustrated not frustrated.
I’M really upset when they could have avoided a lot of stuff and i’m sitting back in there’s a couple other heavyweights and a couple other old-timers saying wow.
It’S a shame.
You got to tighten his ranks up, man that man didn’t have to be had to lose.
Um joshua didn’t have to lose um um dante, wilder didn’t have to lose tyson fury got hard, yeah, that’s! What’S bringing he got a heart and he’ll step to you.
He’Ll get off the canvas and try to whip your behind yeah.
That’S what’s keeping them.
He lacks skills, but he got better than the rest of the guys.
But for me, for me, fury for me fury beats you sick.
That’S that’s what you do too yeah.
You know real, quick with a mover.
You put a hit the closest thing to you mentally you’re, touching them, because when you don’t touch him, you get discouraged and you’re trying to chase him.
So it was ever close to you just touch it.
Then you just go hard to the body.
Put pressure on her and keep the defense tight um, but he’s a southpaw but right hand.
Movers put the pressure on them.
Keep your defense up, they’re gon na forget about their head and you’re, going to knock them out uh! Oh, i did that.
Did i do that, hey tim, how are you doing hey tim, how you doing hey grant how you feel good? Thank you.
I tell you what let’s just say that uh joshua goes up against wilder just for fun, just for fun, shits and giggles.
Does he go under the undercard between uh, a usic and fury fight, or you wouldn’t do that? I would make them a main event somewhere.
So here’s the question i have as a fan has had his time he’s had his run.
He eddie eddie eddie, hearn yeah, but eddie hearn has said he’s gon na have three fights in the next couple years and who are those fights going to be against? Are they going to be as top 15 contenders? Are they going to be against up-and-comers? Is he going to is he? Is he now capable of even fighting uh a jared anderson? Is he really is really like? I’M talking joshua like who the heck is he capable of fighting? I actually think he’ll beat german anderson.
I think jeffrey anderson is a tough boxer, um just just my opinion, but i think he needed a couple.
More fights, uh jared anderson.
I do believe joshua probably could get him, but if he hit joshua just my opinion, that’s all.
I saw derek jared anderson fighting this saturday.
Huh he’s fighting this saturday, saturday yeah, but the fight would um if he catch him he’s going.
If you catch joshua he’s going, but i do think they should wait a couple more, but if they want to go ahead, there’s nothing wrong with them saying he can do it that look.
I fought larry holmes at what 14 fights, but i had a real good trainer and everything you know and jared looked tough, but i think um, if he’s ready, let him go he’s a warrior.
Let him go, but i don’t know i think joshua joshua john, for josh about to be on an undercard really doesn’t make sense.
To be honest, he’s on an undercard of what you know.
Seeing joshua on an undercard doesn’t make sense.
They makes sense, makes sense to me he’s now an undercard fighter quite frankly, but he’s also he’s not the main event.
Oh, not a big money.
Draw he’s, got a big money.
Drive he’s the main event in in the uk he’s not a main event in us.
No, no, not at all, see like yeah he’s got people, he can fight white shizzora people like that, but the the uk, like the you, the united states, ain’t, going to care anything about those fights.
That’S what that’s! What i’m saying? That’S what i’m saying is there any us and there are other other other than deontay wilder.
There are lots of other us fighters coming up through the ranks right now who, realistically, within the next year, are going to put up a brutal fight for that top ranked position.
Oh you talking about anderson, the muscle, the light skin guy jerry anderson.
Do we got long like plants? No, no.
He got short hair right, big baby.
I know who you talking about.
He hey he’s 11-0 right now, no okay, him yeah! I think.
Okay, now i don’t know who you’re talking about.
I do believe if he, if he keep his defense, tight and and rumble, he could probably do too.
But i think that joshua maybe has just a little bit of edge over him in terms of being experienced in the ring he’s already in there with uh yeah.
But nowadays joshua doesn’t look like he can pull the pull the trigger man.
He can’t get going, it’s like he’s afraid to let his hands go or something or he’s afraid to get hit in the face.
You don’t know how to he don’t got a good defense.
He did before he did on the page.
To me to me.
He doesn’t look like the fighter.
He was three years ago.
He doesn’t look the same.
He’S done, his is yeah, i guess he’s the same guy.
He just got exposed his defense and everything um caught up with him, but he he did good against the what we did good against uh dylan white uh.
He got off the canvas with uh with uh kletsko right and then he put klitschko down.
It was exposing these other weaknesses in the fights.
That’S all, let’s be clear about a couple of things.
One one eddie hearn does not care about the u.
s market.
For some reason, i don’t know why he doesn’t care about the u.
s market, but i’m going to tell you guys – and you guys, probably going to agree with me – there’s a lot of u.
s fighters coming up in the heavyweight division.
Oh yeah, who are going to put up a heck of a fight now, whether whether fury use it go head to head.
That’S fine, that’s fine! I don’t care, but anthony joshua is out of it right now.
He’S not top 15 he’s not top 15 anymore.
He’S.
Not at least they’ll give him a chance if they, let me be in this corner, publicity-wise they’ll say whoa.
He might change, i’m just saying whoa they change if they change some things.
You know and stuff like that, but you know what champ i tell you.
I tell you what i tell you: what seriously, in all seriousness, from what i’m seeing and i’m just reporting this stuff on a day-to-day basis.
There are.
There are a lot of u.
s fighters who recognize guys, like you tim who can sit there and go.
I need this kind of help.
I need this guy to help.
I need this kind of help.
Yes, you! Yes, you do need help, but does angie joshua need help no eddie hearn sitting there going.
Oh, he might be able to batter the next three less than 10 15 kind of guys.
Who cares about what eddie hearn says? All i’m saying is: is the heavyweight division needs a better bruiser than on anthony joshua right now? That’S all i’m saying like, but get eddie get it hurt out of it get joshua out of it and let’s get some real heavyweights in the [ __ ] division, no see everybody like a comeback too.
Everybody like to see a guy get down then come back.
They love that and everybody like to hear, oh, like they called my trainer in and bought them, and that made a big deal and they loved it.
They love somebody coming in and read and redoing things and and the boxer winning they do like that type of victory.
Um, that’s rocky! That’S rocky! That’S rocky! I get it! It’S real life! I was with slim when he was pushed all around training.
This one eddie mustafa, won the championship.
Mike rossman won the championship after they got slim in the corner and they went along.
It went big, but i wouldn’t give up on the boxer.
I like the new story.
Oh this one.
He got that guy, oh, that trainer and that that’s a lot of excitement.
Whoa, let’s see what happens now, you know, but it’s kind of like kind of like late, it’s kind of late, because he waited too long.
He waited too long talking about eddie hearns because he didn’t know no better.
He know how to make that money like his dad him and his dad.
But when it comes to these boxers it seemed like he was.
It was the money, it’s the money.
To be honest, um in that corner to help, what i think is is that it’s it’s literally like another another tyson, fury, wilder fury, has wilder’s number and you know every time they get in the ring.
It’S all we had.
You know it’s always tyson same way.
Man, i think usyk joshua is going to end up the same way.
We’Re not going to see a third match.
We’Re not going to see that because you know what it’s going to be this, i want to see one same boring fight.
It’S going to be the same thing, but there are a lot of of guys in the heavyweight division coming up and, to be honest – and you know, after after her herdrovich after his fight – i don’t know man uh he put on a he.
He was a lack luster performance, the other night again sang.
Then those guys are up-and-comers right there.
You know jared big baby anderson out as much as i like him he’s only in the he’s, not even in the top 40 of heavyweights.
Oh whoa jared big baby anderson, like guys guys that are in the states coming up like jared anderson, i believe, is ranked in the top 15 in the states, but he’s only ranked 50th in the world.
So we got a ton of guys that are coming up.
These ranks and honestly joshua, yes, we’ll have tons of people to fight, but he’s got to do something about that game.
Money walks.
The money from stuff to happen is boring.
If you want to be ranked number 15, you might have to come up with some money.
That’S where the way it was hey, you might have to come up with something tim you’ve got a great point.
My and my point to counter your point is he’s already had his chance so now, who who do you have left you’ve got? You got even guys, like andy ruiz, i think andy ruiz is now i like andy ruiz.
I, like andy, i like his effort, yeah, exactly that’s what i’m saying so there are other guys still in the heavyweight division who are michael hunter exactly and then exactly michael hunter has a fight coming up.
So my point is, is, i think i think i think michael hunter is going up against uh huey freer, so so huey fury even recognizes.
There’S a uk versus u.
s kind of division going on here, and this is what we’re talking about.
Quite frankly, i mean it’s not it’s not it’s not seriously about yousek varus tyson fury because, quite frankly, is is tyson fury going to enter the ring.
I i wish he would just give up his belts and go go sun himself in the mediterranean.
I really wish he would because then that would give us the fans the opportunity to see some real heavyweight battles going on for that number.
One position right now, though, quite frankly, as a fan, i’m sitting there going come on guys.
Let’S see a real battle going on joshua’s had his day he’s gone, he’s done, he’s toast somebody can give him confidence go on.
Somebody can give him confidence.
I’Ve been there done it, so i could bring him back, i’m telling you they don’t know, though they don’t know eddie, hearns and um.
They don’t know somebody could bring him back.
It’S always i’m telling he got strength, he got power.
He just needed to be somebody that he could believe in.
He don’t you can look in his eyes, and so you just have to go ahead.
Go ahead! I’Ll, tell you i’ll! Tell you right now: box rec has tyson fury listed as inactive at this moment.
Right now he’s now inactive uh.
He is not on the world ranking list uh for the uk or the world.
He is not even sitting on it now, so is he retired uh? Well, i i’ll tell you this until he gives up until until he officially gives up his belt says: i’m retired, fine, great fantastic, but until that happens, we’ve still got these other guys to worry.
Now someone he only fought four months ago so he’s you know, he’s yeah but yeah, but at that point he said, he’s retired yeah.
So now he’s listed as inactive good and he should be, and quite frankly, deontay wilder i’ve said it a million times before he just needs to stay out of the game, because if he gets hit in the head one more time, he is absolutely toast.
100 percent yeah 100 percent.
He took an answer: i’m not down to malik scott, but he’s not the guy.
That’S going to help him win these fights.
I think he needs to retire.
My mom even said it.
My mom’s, a preacher.
She said timmy that dante wilder boy he needs this.
You need to don’t get in that ring again.
My mom said it dr shirley bird.
She said it, she said timmy, he don’t need to get in the ring.
I said mom if he get a guy behind him that could tighten his defense up, where he don’t get hit and deliver if he could lift deliver that right hand um.
No, if he could do other, have other things.
The the the you know to really get people to forget about that right and knock them guys out, but other than that, i i thought about the same thing.
He needs to just go ahead on and uh yeah just go ahead so guys as of an hour ago, tyson fury continues advanced talks to face usyk for the undisputed world heavyweight championship and promoter.
Frank warren insists that this enormous fight is definitely going to happen.
So i guess it’s going to be boring.
Honestly, honestly, no, i don’t think it’ll be boring because i don’t i i don’t i don’t.
I don’t think i don’t see.
Yousef standing stand getting close to him.
I say he says running when i see fury using that long ass reach in his unorthodox style to uh.
You know, maybe maybe drop uzik.
You know tasty fury, drops them all at one point and uh honestly, i’d like to see that man, because for me he beats him and becomes the undisputed and we haven’t had an undisputed heavyweight champion since the four belt era, and it needs to happen so.
Yes, i want to see that i don’t you know what i don’t believe he’s retired.
He really hasn’t given it up, it’s all a game, it’s a game! That’S all! It is he’s, got a whole lot of stuff behind him back up mentally he’s the gypsy king and that’s what he really feel he is he’s.
The leader he’s coming out there to fight.
I’M telling you he’s gon na try to kill somebody he’s a he’s.
A leader with a sword in his hand, i’m telling you i was with the gypsies.
I was with them: they’re, really nice people over there manchester and they take care of their own and they’re really unified.
I swear i was with them and – and i was like wow – that’s they respect each other, but if you do something wrong, they discipline you and i like that.
I like that.
So in terms of boxing he got a lot of people behind him and i think that he’ll pull it off got to chase this guy around.
I think so so saturday’s deadline for fury to refrain from his retirement from the ring was withdrawn by the wbc and uh right now.
They’Re, looking at december 17th in saudi arabia, remains the preferred date for fury to meet usic so yeah.
This is uh.
This is looking pretty good guys, so i think it’s gon na happen.
I’M kind of excited, i say fury takes that one.
That’S that’s my that’s my guess and uh, i’m sticking with it man, i’m sticking with my gypsy king.
I i think, i think, on the short comment.
I think i think that uh uh tyson fury or win that fight.
I i do think because anthony joshua didn’t have nobody behind him.
You look in his eyes.
I seen the days before and he’s hitting the pads on television.
I said i was a boxing champion and he don’t look right mentally.
He was in there his movement.
I said oh wow, that’s all shaking my head and i was like and non-boxing people and people that watch.
Sometimes they can’t tell, but i saw a little like he’s, not he’s not really into it.
No he’s not that big money.
He got that big money, one one thing: i see hesitation, huh, there’s hesitation, there’s hesitation in him wanting to follow through like it’s, it’s like he just can’t get it going.
He just doesn’t have that ability to get it going like yeah, but that’s because he didn’t know how to block a jab.
That’S because you know how to block a jab.
That’S because you don’t know how to slip.
You know that’s because you don’t have a defense and fire back, that’s what the problem is.
That’S, what’s going to give you confidence, can i say, and i can block it, that’s confidence if you step through a right hand, i block it.
That’S confidence.
Yep, you didn’t see nothing in this.
You didn’t see nothing, he needed.
Oh, it’s so easy, i’m i’m agreeing with 100 tim.
What up what i’m saying is is anthony.
Joshua has had his time he’s had his run.
I think it is.
Why, though, why why not? Let this guy step aside he’s had his mental issues.
They’Ve he’s obviously broken down uh.
Why is he broken down? He don’t have no support.
He can’t trust him after the fight he broke down.
I know, but he don’t have nobody that’s going to give him confidence.
That’S the only thing: that’s what it is graham nobody’s, giving him confidence.
He needs somebody in there to show him stuff.
That’S how you get confidence if nobody can hit you isn’t that confident, saying man you can’t hit me bam bam bam dash confidence.
Oh, i can knock him out with this big bang.
He don’t have nobody to show him these things and that’s that’s the problem.
I’M telling you, okay, okay, we really can’t finish, but you finish if nobody give them help.
I agree with you one percent.
He does not have that confidence.
Therefore, he should step aside and what i’m saying you’ve got dillian white.
Honestly, you got lots of confidence.
You got joe joyce got lots of confidence.
You got ta, you got a bunch of birds.
Come how about? How do you gain confidence when you only fight once a year for the last three years? Well, you have confidence.
I don’t care if you don’t fight once a year, if you got somebody that got got skills that look.
If you can’t hit me if you, if somebody if somebody that’s in my corner, know they’ve been there and done it, somebody that know how to do stuff confidence, but if, if you’re, not sure you’re gon na lose it that’s the key, my trainer, it was a Sharp dude everybody respected him, and i was like okay slim, you see me laughing.
Okay, sam, okay, okay, all right anthony didn’t have nobody to do that.
I just moved here to do this.
I can’t do this.
You know little things and all that money is legacy.
His legacy is messed up.
This young kid got table two down to two, this ain’t on error.
This is a new era.
The trainers passed away, the guns with the knowledge i’m telling you that’s what we’re missing appearance, error, you’re in good shape, but definitely stop that right here.
If i’m coming, what i’m saying is is uh and i’m not hating on aj, because if you remember, i asked boxing fans to support me and say beating up on nobody, i’m just talking about.
I think i think i think, given his reach, given his power skill, i thought the i thought he was going to win fight number one.
I even gave him a 50 50 chance to win a fight number two, but he didn’t.
My point to you is his career over here.
In the beginning, i’m saying it’s over his fight.
His fight career in terms of his chance of getting to number one is over he’s, never going to be number one.
Ever i’ve been boxing, i’ve been boxing.
I’Ve been around the promoters um, it’s not over.
It’S it’s not over really getting revived he’s 32.
He needs to go back, get some better people in his corner.
He’S got one more run left in him.
It’Ll happen.
What’S going to happen, is he’ll go back to the drawing board? What yeah this is what’s going to happen, this is what they’re going to do with it here.
Man, i’m telling you you’ll, see him fight.
You’Ll see him fight, for you know on british soil against british guys.
Uh it’ll be a couple of guys in the top 15 and then no no, no, no, no who’s he’s gon na fight dillian white, joe joyce, who is he going to fight what what happened? Eggers is coming up next against another another british fighter come on.
Well, let me let me just just let me say this real quick uh like i’ve been privileged to come up around all the older greats, a lot of them passed away.
I saw they saw the way they moved that sort of way they talked.
I saw the way they teach it’s not over.
It’S just that these guys don’t know nothing.
The managers and the promoters they’re they’re they’re, just as much as fault it ain’t anthony joshua fault.
It’S not his fault they’re supposed to know too.
You know, i’m surprised he had no skills.
I’D like to see i’d like to see joshua take on fabio wardley uh joe joyce uh, okay, david joe joyce, i’d like to see something out of here come on.
I think he beats joyce because a big guy that comes forward and hammers the crap out of people, but i think i’d still like this okay, i i think he’s not fast.
I think i think i think we’ve proven that the heavyweight division has needed to be unclogged.
It’S now beginning that unclogged process – and this is part of it – anthony joshua – has been beaten.
He’S down he’s gone.
Let’S get some of these other younger guys up and coming to fight into that top 15 position.
Angie joshua’s done he’s toast.
I don’t think he did not.
He couldn’t he couldn’t beat yousek.
He had everything in the fight for it.
He couldn’t beat yousick a cruiserweight.
You know what it only takes: adjustments, carl, who does he? Who does he fight? Next, though carl you said that he fights dillian white in two fights time who, who is his next fight? Who do you think is a good match for for aj, because he’s saying aj will fight dillian white within two fights? Why give? Why give joshua any more fun here here here? Here we go, we got, we got somebody else, chiming in that says, aj versus wilder wilder.
I’Ve already said it.
A million times is no good.
He he’s his brain is washed up.
Okay, give aj wilder while wilder’s dead.
I wouldn’t watch these boring.
Listen.
I don’t even want to watch these boring fights.
There’S no skills, there’s no beautiful slit! Well, there’s none of that um! Well, you know.
Watch and dante wilder still got um.
I love malik scott.
He still has him in the corner and with these guys doing man, it’s just it just turns my stomach.
I talked to a lot of the boxing guys they, like tim, it ain’t like when he used to be with us.
You know they ain’t like that.
This guy he knocked out and the guy is in his corner.
I love malik and i loved it brother, but we speaking about it on this cod podcast come on.
He knocked me out and let me train her tell me something talk to me: no man, what i’m looking forward to sorry carl, but what i’m looking forward to is some of these american fighters coming up through the ranks and and next year.
Not i don’t want to hear about eddie hearn telling me about oh anthony joshua’s got four more fights in 2023.
Give me a break who who’s gon na fight seriously.
I want to see some of these america.
I want to see some of these american big boys.
Come up and actually challenge, maybe not their time.
Yet it’s not their time.
It’S still joshua wilder uh a fury and there’s a couple other guys.
There’S only way you’re right, it is they’re building that up they’re going to come, but there’s still a lot of juice.
Left in these guys, the big story is change is what’s around them change.
What’S around joshua, let dante wilder get a better trainer.
If they don’t, then it is going to end and then the young guy’s going to come up with their with their new crew.
But there’s still a lot of juice to me left and um and let’s just another little little dante wilder like you, said um.
He don’t need to fight anymore.
I agree with you, but if you do you need to get another trainer.
Um um joshua too um um, i’m tyson fury, um he’s been lucky, i think he’s been getting away.
He got he’s, he’s got skills but and they’re awkward, but he’s been lucky he’s been lucky and he’s tough, that’s his heart is what bring him through, but i do believe man i’m telling you that crap of young guys they need to wait just a little bit More but when i’m ready, let him go, let him get up there, but all these guys needed somebody, that’s proper and they’re man, all those guys get some money in there i’ll do it for free.
Don’T worry, honestly yeah man with with you, you can’t, graham you want to see us.
I i’m not i’m not i’m not disagreeing that you think’s a great fighter, i’m not disagreeing at anthony joshua’s, a great fighter, they’re great fighters.
I’M not i’m not disagreeing that tyson fury probably is right now, the top ranked fighter fair enough, i’m not disagreeing with any of that.
What i’m saying is is there’s a whole whack of really great young fighters that should be challenging for those uh top 10 positions.
Right now and and the promoters in the sport aren’t allowing them right now because there’s a clog in the division.
That’S all i’m saying, and i want to get rid of that clog.
I want to see some of these bigger fighters get up there and compete for that uh.
Well.
Well, it’s kind of bad because it’s kind of bad because they wouldn’t let 30 of those guys get in the ring with me or tyson or tony tubbs.
They wouldn’t.
Okay them guys, it’s really bad.
It’S really bad that dude.
Would you just said that heavyweight jared he pretty come up in common, but i saw a lot of the other ones, and i know the commission wouldn’t let them fight me.
It’S really bad.
Am i? If i was, if i was like a contender and gay well tim, you got ta fight him david.
Now i seen the talent who those two guys just i saw the fight uh, the two guys that fought the two heavyweights.
Oh her, you just closed it and zang zang and hargrovic.
One is a middle eastern guy.
He looked like it right, zang zhang’s from china.
Okay, i saw the fight he came out.
I was surprised.
I was surprised with that, because the fight before that he was out he literally was fighting like like he was almost dying on the inside and then got into that fight, and then he came out in this fight and really bring it to hargrove where he got Booed, even though he won, he won the the decision.
Hargrovitch won the decision, but still got booed because everybody thought that zhang brought it to him a hell of a lot.
More and zhang is no young young chicken man he’s up there in his nation.
That fight got sloppy and early images near the end.
It got sloppy, they didn’t look really good.
I saw that fight zhang’s almost 40.
, like this is crazy.
Zang’S, like 39 years old, and this guy believes that this guy believes that he’s got it he’s got.
The he’s he’s got what it takes to make the run for the title, but honestly hargrove.
I honestly i that was a lackluster performance for me.
Man, like usually you, like you, see that guy and he’s all business dropping hammers on people, and you know zhang brought it to him um.
You know it was a close fight, graham got to the point there.
They got that it’s fine.
There is one of those young turks that can come up.
Let’S do something we just don’t know which one it is uh in my era there’s a couple of they come up and like win the title um i haven’t been watching like the guys down on the lower level.
That’S moving their way up.
Graham, i’m sure you y’all you guys know or who they are, but there’s nothing impressive right now the press is right.
Now you know i jerry.
It’S jared is one of our viewers.
Tim said uh, your your one critic says uh.
They need the tim witherspoon school of defense, [ Laughter, ], shout out to your one critic: yeah they do, they do and wilder doesn’t mean we agree with you uh they.
They need your school of defense.
They need the tim withers, the tim witherspoon school of defense.
You know what they did that slowed me down.
That slowed me down from really throwing a lot of punches um, but then i had to pick it up.
So i got my defense right, i’m not saying it’s 100, but it was better than a lot of people.
Then i had to pick up the punch and i had to pick the punching up along with the defense along with it.
You know, slipping on this side.
That’S what i had to do.
Um i had to start doing more offense because i was doing a lot of defense.
You know sometimes that could get boring but hey.
I today those guys need a lot of defense.
I’M telling you i’m telling you anthony joshua um tyson, fury, moves, he moves and that’s how he get away with it.
If he’s standing still, if he’s standing still, he might get exposed when you get close, he tightens it up, but anthony joshua dante, wilder so atticus.
I i joined, i joined the conversation late, but out of curiosity uh why the heck could not anthony joshua land that power punch on alexander yusek.
Why? Why not? Why why? Why, like we watched an entire fight and we sat there and went what the heck? Why could not anthony joshua deliver that everyone was just? I think i think psychologically he wasn’t ready to mentally.
He wasn’t ready to he.
Couldn’T he couldn’t get going mentally, he couldn’t get going.
It’S like.
You could almost see him.
It was like a hesitation, a hesitation.
Almost a fear, maybe a fear of getting knocked out right.
Listen all he had to do was watch some fights of matthew.
Muhammad fighting marvin, johnson who’s, the southpaw watch, aida mustafa, stood his ground no bouncing around, knew how to block slim showed him how to block him close and step to him.
You said moves a lot though, but marvin johnson he didn’t move.
He stayed there right in front of you, so so tim tim, what you’re saying is what you’re saying is it’s for for defense against somebody who moves a lot.
You should just be standing there and trying to touch the closest thing to you.
Well, you just go to the touches touch that because then, if you don’t touch nothing you’re like well, i got ta catch this guy, just just touch it.
He’S gon na forget about the head shots! That’S what he’s trying to move his head to get out the way you can’t move that body, though you’re definitely going to touch that body.
That’S going to give you confidence, then, when you get close dictate him keep your defense up.
Um then you’ll catch him eventually you’ll catch him.
Okay, i see what you say: how you gon na catch a runner trying to hit him in the head? Okay, so so so bottom line, anthony joshua took 60 million pounds, he’s uh he’s out of it.
He’S done! You know he can open his own training school.
Now, he’s done he he was done before the fight, [ Laughter, ], you’re, agreeing with me he’s taking the money he’s run, he’s done! That’S what i’m saying i’m just saying it opens up the division now to other fighters to move up the ranks forget about the dillian whites forget about the joy joyces, i’m talking about the guys coming underneath those guys, but they still the dylan, whites and stuff still Got some more juice left in them? They still got some more juice left.
All they got to do is win the fight, not tyson, fury out or minoxidil um, the youngest guy, the youngest guy in the top okay, in the top uh we’ll see in the top ten okay, the youngest guy in the top ten is joseph parker at 30.
And the oldest guy, the oldest guy in the top ten, is with 30’s at 43.
.
That’S your top 10.
.
The top 10 in boxing is all above 30 years old, anubis ortiz louis ortiz, yeah he’s he’s 43 years old.
You got michael hunter who’s.
34.
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You got joe joyce who’s 36.
.
I like it.
Louise i like andy dewey.
I, like he’s, got a big fight.
He’S got a big fight coming up, uh yeah if he wins, he wins.
But i don’t see this.
This is where i get confused about who’s.
He fighting: what’s he fighting he’s coming up next week, right right, mikey he’s coming up again, i believe so um.
I think it is next week, andy ruiz who is he fighting you? Okay, he’s fighting louis ortiz and it’s uh september, the 4th yeah.
So still next week, yeah next week, so andy ruiz and uh uh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that’s the southpaw cuban yeah.
Oh he’s tough yeah.
He’S he’s also he’s also 43 years old.
But that’s what i’m saying this is like an old school kind of fight.
It’S it’s not it’s not one of these guys coming up what i’m saying is – and i continually say it uh now that we’re starting to unclog that top of the division, in other words, let’s just admit that auntie and joshua had his day had his fight.
It’S gone now, he’s toast: why don’t they drop these guys out the ranks and let someone else move up.
I understand, but anthony is not old he’s if he okay he’s going put him out, but let me say this to you if he got if he had.
If he gets somebody that can show him some stuff, but with that all that money he’s got, maybe he’s just doing it anyway, joshua’s still young he’s only 32.
he’s still got a couple of years left, but he could do what mike mike mike couple years to Do what to make money no come on the only person.
The only person making money on this one is eddie hernandez.
He don’t want him.
Give me a break.
Joshua, don’t want to go out like that.
He don’t want to go out and win her yeah.
You got to give him something against who he’s he’s not fighting he’s, not fighting titan, fury, wilder joshua, let’s go come on who’s josh.
Am i going to fight next? Who wilder what wilder wilder and joshua today on my channel today, i said yeah that’d be a good undercard fight.
You know why, because joshua has the only chance of defeating wilder in a fight, because wilder’s so touched in the brain like one hit to the brain and wilder is done and that’s the only chance joshua has to get in terms of moving up the rank.
But you know what yeah, while there’s one punch away from sipping food through a straw, absolutely and no joke.
My my point to you is: let’s move beyond those top five ranks and let’s see who’s below and say: okay, okay, it’s not it’s not daniel dubois! It’S not joe joyce forget these british fighters there’s a [ __ ] ton of american fighters coming up through the ranks, who aren’t even being recognized right now and that’s what i’m saying? Why not? Why not? Why dempsey, mckean out of australia you’ve got uh baccador who’s undefeated he’s coming up the ranks.
These guys are all in their 20s man um.
We also got you know: uh sirenkos, coming up through the ranks, guys 19 and always only 27 out of the ukraine uh.
We’Ve also got you know: uh justin, hooney, who’s coming out of australia, 13-0 coming through the ranks, stephen shaw out of the united states undefeated.
We got lots of guys that are still coming up.
We got arsene beck mega, medav who’s 14-0 undefeated out of montreal.
Right now you know george aries, there’s all these undefeated heavyweights coming up.
That aren’t even touched in the top 20, yet who definitely have the potential to be in that top 10.
.
That goes to my point about what tim was saying about.
We need a new mike tyson.
We need someone coming out out of nowhere who just banging people out yeah.
That’S all i’m saying mike tyson um.
I don’t think they were going to see that, but we need somebody like you like, like you just was saying we do need somebody jared might be the one he might be, the one he might be he’s like, 22 or 23, no, really yeah man.
I think he’s only in his mid like early 20s.
I believe he can do it if uh anderson’s ranked 14th he’s only 22 years old, he’s ranked 14th in the united states and he’s ranked 52nd in the world right now.
He’S 11-0 with 11 ko’s, wow, hey and he’s funny he’s funny he’s fighting tomorrow, so he he’s probably going to improve to 12 and on with 12 kos.
Well, you got the money, you can be number 10.
.
You got the money, you could be 10 to 15.
um.
That’S the way it was when i was fighting.
You got the fight and rove cannons 24 and 2.
, so this is a little bit of a step up for him, but honestly they’ve been putting guys like this in front of jared anderson, almost every fight since the beginning, and every time you know he comes through.
He comes through pretty big man and he’s been knocking all this appointments out, but yeah.
You have young guys like this, who are only 22 years old who are just coming through.
It’S crazy.
I agree.
100.
I think jared anderson is going to be the next big heavyweight champ.
What about dubois? What do we think about dubai carl? What do you think about dubois? Where is he going? Oh, the british, the british are going to say dubois all the way, joe joyce.
All the way like what we’re saying over here in north america is you guys in the uk, are missing out a whole ton of american heavyweight champs, they’re, undefeated and looking looking right now really good at taking those belts.
And it is, you know, while you guys in the uk, are debating whether or not auntie joshua has another fight in him.
Who cares we? We don’t care like we don’t care if anthony joshua’s going to fight him, i think it’s going to be another ton.
I think this i i can call five five, as mike just did five american fighters right now in the heavyweight division who who aren’t capable of taking on tyson fury but who are capable of competing for a heavyweight title in the next year.
Oh yeah, yeah uh, jermaine franklin, he’s 21-0 right now he’s out of michigan.
This kid’s only 20 28.
um.
You know another.
One is andrew tabithi he’s uh he’s 32, but he’s 20 he’s 20 1-0.
You know he’s another another guy, that’s coming out of the states that uh is just putting people down man.
Well, what i’m saying to you is that just this 20 of the guys that he beat they probably let me fight them or guys, yeah, and i ever so to think about that.
Just think about it.
I would love.
I don’t want to put nobody down.
It’S just getting really bad.
It’S bad! Now, yeah, it’s bad! I know for a fact those guys that before dante wilder the majority of them, they wouldn’t locate him to fight me.
So time just changed.
So we got his figures.
I got ta dig down in the hat and really figure things out.
Instead of it’s speaking negative about people.
That’S what’s going on, they really are just trying to pad up some of these guys records man.
To be honest, that’s what they do.
That’S what it is, though, um i’m i’m not i’m not debating about this whole padding of records.
Fact.
Okay, that’s a fact.
Tim said it before there’s a lot of padding of records.
We don’t we don’t agree with it.
What i’m saying is is what the that’s a part of the game, but what the english promoters need to understand is that there’s a [, __, ] ton of american fighters knocking on the door right now that the the americans need to understand are just as good As the british fighters, it’s just that the lack of promotion, lack of media lack of attention – you know that’s what i’m saying at the end of the day, the english fighters right now are not the best in the world they’re just ranked the best in the world.
All i’m saying is: is i’m telling you a year from now we’re going to see as soon as joshua finally steps aside as soon as wilder steps aside as soon as fury steps aside, you know daniel dubois joyce joseph parker, all those guys step aside, whatever you Know at the end of the day, you’re going to see a ton of american fighters, i think parker is going to be still one of those one of the guy regular guys.
That’S still going to be there.
I kind of like me strong and stuff yeah.
I i just don’t like his style, i still like his style.
I’Ll, be blunt.
I don’t like his style.
Okay, i haven’t seen i’m i’m not a fan, i’m not a fan of like uh.
I don’t know how to call it grip and hold kind of, like uh, bear wrestling kind of fighting.
Okay, it’s been a good show.
Today it’s been a really nice, it’s been a great one.
It’S been a great day, it was great, and i’ve really had we’re.
Always coming in, i had nothing to drink.
Let’S see how jared anderson does tomorrow night, because this will this this will determine this argument, uh in terms of where heavyweights, because i’m sick and tired of the british saying they’ve got the best fighters in the world, blah blah blah, listen, they would have if they Would’Ve got some people to teach their boxers.
It’S really messed up here, debating about something that could have been avoided.
I’M telling you if this somebody would have been there for joshua.
If somebody would have been there for dante’s father, we will be talking a different story.
Right now, yeah, it’s all done fighting like this right here, you’re going andy joshua.
If they had the right people, we wouldn’t be talking like we talking now, i’m telling you that’s a pack, but now we talk the promoter manager can make the moves.
But this is the results of that reach up that you know joshua, like this fight, stepping back not standing there, hey man step up and keep his hands up with the defense going to the outside, throwing the hook.
You didn’t see, none of that.
No and guys that know it.
They like boxing, is really messed up.
No carl carl you’re absolutely wrong to be blunt huh, you know the the british do not have the best fighters in the world.
They may have the best media support in the world, but they don’t have the best fighters in the world and that’s the reality carl face it at the end of the day.
This time next year, we’re going to be talking about a whole new school of fighters and a lot of them are not going to be british, because, quite frankly, as soon as the american media kick in and and be and and and tim will attest to this, When he was fighting, the american media was fully supportive of boxing in general.
Okay right now, american media doesn’t really support.
They support basketball.
They support baseball.
They support they don’t support boxing is: is there any more uh friday night boxing on television? No, no! Okay! Is it on pay-per-view, yes, but but, but could even be, could even a guy like jake paul pull in 50 million viewers? The answer is something: isn’t it something? So i’m just simply saying this time next year, just because the british people think they have the best british boxers around.
Ah they mate they might.
But i’m telling you pound for pound the american boxers coming up in the heavyweight division are going to kick ass.
That’S all i’m saying all right: let’s get some better trainers, better teachers, that’s where it’s the foundation! The foundation is everywhere.
You know you just got ta uh the money get make have people for um, forgetting about.
What’S really needed.
You know 70 million a hundred something million.
They look at that they’re.
Looking at like a hundred million for using versus uh tyson, he asked for 500.
.
I know, honestly, this is going to be the biggest payday there.
You know uh.
That’S! I can’t wait to see that, to be honest, i just i want to see i’m going to be an undisputed heavyweight champion in the four belt era.
It hasn’t been done.
It’S been 20 years, man lennox, the canadian british lewis, was the last and yeah come on man.
We need to see it happen, guys, that’s what we want.
We want to see the undisputed.
That’S that’s what it’s about it’s about.
You know.
Sorry, sorry, mike mike, you know what would be funny is to completely ignore the british boxers and see just see just for fun just the way we have baseball right.
We have the world series of baseball, but we only actually feature north american teams.
Okay, so just for fun it’d be fun to see uh who, out of all the american fighters, emerges as the heavyweight champ, because, quite frankly, who cares about daniel dude.
But who cares about joe joyce at the end of the day the british people do.
But do we care no? What we care about is who’s who bound for pound is the best american heavyweight right now right now, and i’m telling you jared anderson has the biggest chance right now of becoming the next mike tyson.
That’S my humble effort.
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