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EPISODE: Episode 3
Episode 3: Talking about the darker side of the Female Boxing Industry.
The SUGAR Show is a series focused on Women’s Boxing. Natalie SUGAR Brown visits all aspects of Women’s Championship Boxing involving both up-and-coming and seasoned amateur and professional female boxers, along with studio segments covering headlines and developments across the sport. The program primarily broadcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:30 pm eastern time, weekly.
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[ Music, ] 5-0, with five knockouts she’s only fought eight professional rounds and none of her professional opponents have had a win on their record and that’s the reason i think estrada should end this quickly, reluctant to come out of her corner.
Eight left of one two, three four: it was lamb versus lion.
It is over one of the quickest knockouts in women’s boxing history.
You witnessed it live um, i’m gon na open up the segment tonight.
By introducing myself, i am natalie sugar brown, your sugar and i’m here to talk boxing women’s boxing tonight is a pretty deep topic.
I’M i’ll be talking about what i call the black eye of women’s boxing and i call it the black eye, because it’s something that is so apparent it’s on the face of what we are, but yet uh.
No one sees it and it’s a thing.
That’S so important because now it’s starting to really affect the lives of women who are trying to try to achieve a dream and then they get taken advantage of because of that that um vulnerability in going after your dream, so um we’re gon na.
Do some real talk about women’s boxing, the clip at the beginning of this this show, or this segment is uh sinisia, estrada’s, seven second knockout um versus uh, her opponent, goodness um.
I will i’ll remember that a little bit down in the show – my apologies but the the the thing about it is it.
I don’t want to focus on the opponent.
I want to focus on the encounter what happened, and i want to break that down to the audience.
I want you guys to understand what you witnessed in seven seconds, so in seven seconds, no one saw the fact that this woman, who was on the other side of the ring across from sinisia, was clearly not prepared for what she signed up for and uh.
That is the the start of it.
So in seven seconds you guys are looking at weeks and months of a matchmaker finding the right opponent, the right prey to make the fighter look good in this case sinisia, and you guys uh.
If you’ve been tuning in on sugar segments, you’ll see i’m.
I actually really like synesia cincia estrada she’s, one of my favorite fighters out right now.
Currently that girl can fight she can box, which is why i’m so disappointed in how her handlers the promoter and everyone around has um put her in this light of um, predatory, behavior um.
This is prevalent in women’s boxing so, like i said weeks and months of a matchmaker, and there are many of them out there, finding the right opponent to be slaughtered, not finding the right opponent to challenge synesia to make cenizia rise to her best, because everyone knows And or if you don’t know, i’m gon na tell you this in order to grow, you have to extend outside of yourself, someone has to take you there.
Something has to take you there and it may not feel good at the time, but growth is when you look back at it.
You know that’s that [ __ ], that made you.
If you didn’t go through that process.
If you didn’t do that to expand your wings, you wouldn’t have reached that pinnacle point of growth in getting to the next level.
There was no growth in that seven second knockout and whereas, where there’s no growth, especially in um grooming, a champion, it starts to become a hollow mirage and that hollow mirage does nothing for the bigger picture, which is women’s boxing flourishing women’s boxing.
Making the money and getting the platform and the respect and everything that we all have fought for before and what we all want now, so everyone talks about.
Oh, we need to have equal pay.
Oh, we need to do equal amount of rounds um.
You know all of these things all of these ingredients that our male counterpart parts have actually earned.
Now, i’m not saying that we haven’t earned our place in boxing, but what i am saying is there has to be consistency of certain things in order for us to get the fruits of it or in order for future generations of women fighters to bear the or Or gain from the fruits of what we’ve done now, i i want to say this.
Initially female boxing or women’s boxing has a wonderful, rich history.
I’M telling you guys about it, but you can uh.
Look it up on your own.
Sugar will certainly take you through, though i love talking about it because uh it’s something that i wear as a badge.
It’S something that that gives me pride for the years that i’ve devoted to being that it’s something that um as a crone now uh gives me pride to know that i i have earned my stripes in an industry that has such great history um.
That has fought and had so many wonderful games that i’ve been a part of now um [, Music, ], going back to my point, a matchmaker looked weeks and and months for the perfect opponent to stand in there and get knocked out like she did in seven Seconds now i’m gon na say this: yes, we sign up for it in female boxing and yes, um we’re all adults, and we all make our decisions in doing that.
But, like i said there has to be a moral, some kind of moral thread in our industry.
Something that um a code, a moral code that we all must um, be accountable for and that’s what’s missing in women’s boxing right now and that’s why we don’t get the respect.
A lot of my uh sisters out there, my peers and and a lot of um fans who actually love us, but they say this at the same time.
You know uh uh, she just slaughtered so and so or you know it’s it’s boring to watch.
Yes, it’s boring to watch because they, the matchmakers the promoters.
The fighters who we have expectations of are not extending themselves and fighting is not uh.
Fighting is not baking.
Fighting is not golf.
Fighting a patty cake, fighting’s, a fight fighting is testing someone else’s will.
Fighting is stepping up and being sure that you got what it takes to be the baddest mojo emma effa out here and and welcoming the challenge of someone testing you for that.
Now everyone has a belt where there wasn’t built before now.
Everyone’S is the greatest.
Now.
Every fight is mega, but is it not really – and i want the fans to understand – what’s going on so um, let’s, let’s revisit with um that moral code or what moral code means? Okay, um a moral code is a consistent set of rules prescribing righteous behavior accepted by a person or by a group of people.
Why is a moral? Why is a moral code important it’s important because it lays the guidelines and the rules of behavior uh and principles of right and wrong? Now sugar says – and everyone says, there’s really no rules in a fight, but there is right and wrong fighting someone or picking a fight with someone who you know cannot defend themselves, who you know has not prepared or is not prepared for what you can do to Them is wrong.
That’S the black eye! That’S what a lot of these ladies, are doing now that i call them paper tigers paper champions they’re out there they’re your uh they’re they’re in your top ten they’re in your top five look at her record: yeah she’s great! Yes, she’s cute on a poster, okay, but does a champion pick on people who are not prepared to pro to defend themselves, and this is all about being a champion.
I don’t care about a belt.
As a matter of fact, i got several belts in my closet.
Some go with my outfit and some i’ve won they’re all the same, because i got them.
Sugar and sugar never signed somebody up or stepped to.
Somebody who wasn’t prepared sugar had never accepted a fight from somebody who wasn’t a challenge and that’s why i walk with my head high outside of the ring and into the ring because uh i have respect for the woman across the ring from me.
Respect enough for her to respect enough to know that she is a challenge she is worthy of standing in here with me: she’s dangerous and i’m gon na slay, her or she’ll slay me, and if she slays me, i’m good with that, because that means she was Bad enough to do that, that means she was prepared to do that.
That is the moral fiber and the moral code of being a fighter male or female.
Now um, when you sign up for a fight, a lot of people, don’t realize this, but every fight you sign your life on that dotted line because you’re not guaranteed to leave that fight.
The way you walked in people take that for granted, especially in boxing to prepare for a fight several rounds of sparring.
Several hurts several knocked brains, sometimes being knocked around okay um.
I hear this saying out there we want to protect, protect the pretty it’s not even about protecting the pretty okay, because fighting ain’t pretty and i hate when people um make it so casual fighting is much like eating fire and you and a lot of people um, Would ask you know you see a a person who eats fire for entertainment? Why the hell? I want to help with somebody eat fire for entertainment because they can okay.
So we fight for entertainment, because we can we fight for entertainment because we prepare for that.
We fight for entertainment, because our fans value that performance and uh, i like to say this: uh, no one will turn their nose up at women behaving badly and i quite enjoy it.
I do i did when i was a fighter and you know what sugar sugar, sometimes you know we’ll lace the gloves up still now and get naughty uh in the boxing ring: okay, um and it’s a skill and a discipline that you um, those that are good.
Those who have uh those who reached the the top and were the best and were at the pinnacle of um, the expectation and and and those who have achieved the highest performance of that um and have left with our faculties, meaning have left with our brains, have Left with the ability to speak have left with our health because making weight or getting into weight.
Uh takes a toll on your body, uh being in that fitness getting up at 4 00 a.
m in the morning and running five miles.
That’S what sugar did up and down stone mountain and around or wherever mountain or whatever lake or wherever i was you know i did that.
I put the time in because i knew that walking away with my life isn’t guaranteed or was it guaranteed uh? The bigger picture for me was or is because i’m a mother and uh i i knew that it wasn’t after i had my my son.
It wasn’t about me if i wanted to do this.
Ultimately, it wasn’t about being champion.
If i wanted to do this, i needed to pull this off in a fashion to where i could be uh whole and well.
For my child, as well, uh and and being a mother is a total other uh game and it’s all other fights that i i most enjoy and i most enjoy the benefits of that as well.
But we are women, we fight uh, a lot of us.
I grew up and became a a wife, a mother, a family woman uh who was a fighter.
At the same time i started fighting as a teenager, so it was my life um.
I’Ve said before i was blessed to be taught by some real gladiators, but a lot of i i’ve come to understand that that was a divine blessing for me because a lot of uh, ladies out here young ladies out here um they were not as i don’t.
They weren’t as lucky um, because i, when i stepped into boxing, i knew nothing about what the path was for a female fighter.
I know now and i can tell you guys and i’m going to educate you guys about the page of a female fighter.
This is one of them um about finding the right trainer about looking for the right management about what to expect out of a boxing engine or in general.
Knowing that you know it’s really not being a diva, it’s not all glitz and glamour.
You pay your dues to get there, and sometimes you walk in with your glitz and glamour like sugar has um i i i want to bring up a couple examples of uh.
You know just just how how um sad things may get in boxing, and i have to talk about this because i’m going to talk about a lot of good stuff right, but there has to be a balance.
I want you guys to know and understand what what it is.
This ain’t barbie stuff, this ain’t, a disney school girl schoolyard fight this is real stuff.
Uh women have died and um women have died for a couple hundred dollars because they’ve been taken advantage of number one because they want to prove something uh for themselves.
They want to fight, they want an opportunity to become something to become a champion and they want to feed their families.
So um, just uh honorable mention to some of these.
Ladies um finneal uh may.
Will it uh? Please forgive me if i, if i don’t uh, pronounce the names right but they’re there, and i want you to look them up.
Uh finn findel me well me: let’s just say that um she was 31 years old and she was one of the first cases of um female fighter who actually died in the ring and, like i said, uh matchmaker promoter manager spent weeks and months.
Looking for this woman for her to be an opponent and ultimately lose her life in the ring, um and the accountability, yes, we do take tests, um and and sometimes they’ll they’ll, look at the test and say: oh okay, you know she got an mri.
She she got a uh, ekg and all of that stuff, but most of the time that doesn’t happen, uh they’ll fly uh, someone in from another country, maybe an impoverished country, maybe a country that may not um have those standards and um these um.
These, ladies, are now taken advantage of and um, but they ultimately lose their life.
Okay, so um uh finnell is uh an african fighter uh.
She she fought out of soweto and she she fought uh in her bout and fell into a coma.
She fell into a coma from the constant bludgeoning and impact of that fight, and so um i’ll have to hold accountability.
Also to the ref and um you’ll.
Hear sugar say this a lot.
A lot of refs are slime balls.
If you look at uh fights, uh and and i’m gon na, do a segment on that watch the ref, because uh refs also operate in the ring uh because they want uh there.
I always say this and my coach one of my coaches said this as well: uh my coach, jerome coffee, who was also a world rated fighter.
He said natalie when you get in the ring, you think you’re fighting one other person, but you’re fighting two people, you’re fighting them and you’re fighting the ref.
You never know who’s gon na be on your side, trust, no one so be prepared.
Don’T uh depend on the ref to separate you don’t depend on the ref to call a foul, don’t depend on the ref to be fair, because a fight ain’t never fair, and thank you jerome coffee, because that mentality was what made me maintain my safety and health In in all the rounds, i’ve ever fought and sparred in in boxing, you have to protect yourself at all times and knowing that you got ta look out, for you makes the spider senses uh tingle and and and makes you more uh aware of preserving yourself, and I do that i’ve learned to do that as a fighter, and i also learned to do that outside of the ring as well right, i’m not to say that.
Oh i don’t trust anyone or i feel, like everyone will uh bring harm to me.
That’S not the case, but what i do is i’m aware of protecting myself and what, in all situations, what that means to protect myself in relationships uh in agreements in friendships and and all of those things and um, not to say that you know, i’m i’m a Champion of it all, but i am i’m happy with the the i’m happy with the deals that i make uh inside the ring and outside the ring and and it’s just those are just all hard.
One um perspective that i’ve gotten from my experience as a fighter.
My coaching um uh, the the the the love of combat and knowing that combat, could be uh good and bad.
There’S always a balance.
Um we’re going to go into another lady.
Her name is um jeanette, sicaris.
Okay, that happened recently.
She died.
She was 18 years old from mexico and she died in montreal recently um from also falling into a a seizure after uh sustaining severe punishment in the ring.
I say that with a smiling on my face because um, the the smile is bittersweet right, the smile is bittersweet because, as a warrior, she went down fighting.
I watched the fight she fought and she went down fighting um but at the same time it’s a bittersweet because she was never given a chance.
They picked her to lose.
They picked her to be knocked out.
She had four.
She was knocked out probably four times and she had four concussions, and that was on record and the matchmaker and the promoter knew that and flew her in to face an opponent who was preparing for weeks and months.
Who was in good health who had a chance.
There’S no morale in that there’s no ethics in that you can’t be champion, and you can’t make a champion doing that and that’s once again the black eye of women’s boxing, because the majority now it started in the 90s before women, all the contenders were strong.
All the contenders were contenders because they just wanted a chance to fight, so they were fighting more than just women and other women, or you know i i came up in that fight, for i understood that fight those women in the 70s lady tiger tramar uh tanawanda, Cathy cat davis and the other ladies there’s there’s just a a plethora of them, and i i love them so much um because they took the bumps and bruises.
Those are the women that have to get in there with men and prove who they are.
Those are the women that had to get in there and fight for three minutes and and show that yeah we can hang in here for three minutes.
We can go 15 rounds because those crones those those women went 15 rounds because they had to prove something.
And then here the 90s came um.
My girl, christy martin.
She was a good champion, but you look at christy martin’s record uh christy martin’s record her.
First, save maybe uh 10 15 fights.
She fought pro debut women, women who never had a fight before and she’s the coal miners daughter and she’s, going in there and she’s swinging beating up people that were not prepared to defend themselves.
That’S not legendary! That’S not championship! Right so we have, we still had a long way to go um she ended up facing layla, which you know.
Layla’S people moved her pretty well, but layla fought safe people.
The only person that i would say, uh made layla extend herself was jackie frazier because jackie, daddy and them jackie, brother and them wouldn’t go and let jackie go in there unprepared because they were real fighters.
So jackie went and and jackie’s a intelligent woman too she’s a lawyer um, which, which is very impressive.
Also you know lawyering and then training and and being a fighter, and she did that and she fought layla and uh.
That fight was give and take back and forth.
That was the only to me evenly matched bout uh only in layla’s career.
For me, aside from the fact that you know she is laila lee muhammad ali’s daughter, um, i i uh her career as a fighter um.
I don’t i i don’t see her as one of the trailblazers in women’s boxing she put a spotlight and thank you for bringing your name to our industry, but i think that’s just about all you did.
Ah sugar will tell it and uh.
I said what i said: um, so it no shade there, but we got ta call a thing, a thing and i want y’all to chime in and talk about this stuff.
Uh leave me a message too.
You know uh check my you know catch me on my handle natalie sugar brown on instagram.
You know i chat back um, so you know that was a that an even match there and and and and i made that point – um uh becky uh zerlantes.
She was an amateur fighter who actually uh passed or died after sustaining uh injury at uh, an amateur bout.
I believe it was uh prestigious about um about the uh golden gloves competition.
Where yeah i would.
I can say that i was three-time golden globe champion, so i told you in in earlier um sessions or in in you know.
Our earlier um shows that i’ve seen some things.
Girls were getting slumped, women were getting slumped, you know, and you they’re warming up.
You they’re warming up and and uh you hear boom.
You know you hear bodies hit the ground, let the bodies hit the ground but seriously.
You know yeah it’s funny and – and we laugh about that, but you know bodies were hitting the ground and if you weren’t prepared for that, if you didn’t know that that was going to happen.
If you didn’t know that you signed that you were, that is what you signed up for you’re, going to get seriously hurt because it’s like eating fire right.
You don’t know how to do it, there’s a skill to doing it.
So you know uh people look at sugar and say and they’ve always said this.
I said you know uncle roger mayweather said it uh.
When, when i met him and several times, you don’t look like a fighter, but you don’t look like a fighter though, and i took that uh.
My feelings were constantly hurt because i was so young.
I didn’t realize what he was saying, meaning that you know a fighter carries the blows.
A a a fighter carries the scars and uh i i was so respectful and and um.
I was so aware of how what what i needed to do to protect myself at all times that the discipline uh – i i perfected, i would say i i perfected the discipline of protecting myself at all times in the ring.
So this right here uh, you know you you catch some, you catch a mouse here and there or you know you get a bloody nose or things like that.
But i would never sit in there and let somebody tag my face over and over and over hey vinnie vinnie ollie beaten thanks for chiming in baby.
Thanks for seeing coming to see me um – and you know sugar’s here every wednesday night at 7, 30.
, uh and um, she would love to chat and sugar loves everyone that shows up with her um.
But you know going back to my point what i said: okay, going back to the point of getting hit standing there and getting hit people glorify that there are guys that wake up one morning and say oh yeah, i’m gon na, be i’m sorry for the voice.
But i’m gon na be a coach yeah, yeah yeah, i’m gon na be a coach get up one morning.
They get the pass.
They get you because you know you can order all that [ __ ] off amazon.
Now right, so you get you.
They walk in with all the bells and whistles and someone who doesn’t know someone who’s vulnerable walks into the gym or walks into a situation where they see him with all of this stuff, and they believe that this person can prepare them for someone who will um Assault them someone who will take them apart, someone who uh can severely damage them for the rest of their life right um.
You know you walk into a hospital or you walk down the street, and you see somebody with a white coat on you.
Don’T assume that they’re a doctor, they you don’t assume that they’re a surgeon, you ain’t gon na.
Let them open your chest and look at your heart or split your head open and do brain surgery on you.
It’S the same thing in boxing and we have to normalize the moral code in that understanding that you got ta, i mean there’s research that needs to be done now.
We have google, you know, but there are a lot of people out there that you say well back in the day when i used to fight when he never had a fight.
He never fought in the schoolyard punk uh.
There was one.
There are several i’ve run into several phonies that oh yeah, you fought when where and then i start asking the questions, because you know they think sugar, they think sugar just looks sweet.
They all know that sugar got that gang gang gang gang game.
You know what i’m saying and i’m like you were fraud, because sugar and with sugar i’ll tell you this sugar is always sweet right, but yang gon na pour powdered sugar on a turd and tell me it’s a donut.
It’S still some [ __, ] right and so i’ll call you on your [, __ ] right sugar ain’t never been afraid to call it like.
It is because i am and – and i get this from my moral code – i get that.
Thank you daddy.
Thank you.
Mommy, thank you all my coaches, uh coach, sergey uh, jerome, johnny, gant um, you know grandma.
All of these people in my life had a a very strong moral and ethical thread that i i had.
I that became so um so much a part of me that it’s in my dna you know i i this now has been transferred to my my own child and it’ll be transferred to my little sugars, my little grandkids and and whoever it is um.
I i relish the thought of one day, one of my great one of my grandchildren and even great grandchildren, saying my grandmama was a champion.
My grandmama box.
I think that’s hard as hell.
You know what i’m saying, because uh growing up, i used to hear uh.
Kids boast about my granddaddy box, my dad used to box and now mama can do it too mama’s.
You know i’m one of the mamas, i’m one of the first mamas that um was whooping ass out here, google, it all right so um, you know just chatting with y’all chime in.
However, you want to chime in um, but bringing up the fact that you know these guys will wake up one morning and then you go.
They say they’re gon na be a trainer, you walk in the gym or if somehow you find them or they got the tattoos, they got the hat or whatever, whatever costume they’re wearing, because now they look, they look tough.
They look tough and say you’re a fighter or you want to fight and you’re vulnerable that way, because anybody who walks into that environment uh is vulnerable, you’re walking into a sea of sharks when you walk into a boxing gym, because everyone is uh sizing you up.
Everyone’S looking at you, everyone, because you know you walking a boxing gym – is not a spa.
A boxing gym is where people go every day to learn, to whoop ass, to learn to damage someone, even if it’s a i do boxing and um to such and such fitness, you are hitting that bag every day or every chance you get and you’re not hitting The bag you’re hitting the bag with intentions.
Excuse me: you’re, hitting the bag with intent to do damage right, you’re, not in the bag, just to hit the bag when they say i’ll, go harder, i’m throwing a punch.
These are weapons, they’re, weapons, a pugilist and – and i mean we – we speak like this, but it is what it is: let’s go into, our inner psychopath sugar, sugar, she’s called sugar.
You know it’s sweet and everything, but you know there’s natalie and there’s sugar and there’s miss too bad.
Miss too bad and sugar are my inner psychopath right with love.
I will stand in front of you and i will search you and look at the way you stand and i’ll look at every part of your body, and i already know how to take you apart.
I already know where the damage i can do will start.
I’M a pugilist, i’m a fighter, i’m a human butcher, and that’s just what it is.
You know i it it that’s boxing that that is the sweet science um.
It’S not meant for use to harm, but it is a skill.
Much like uh being a sniper is a skill just because you’re a sniper, it doesn’t mean you’re, going to go out and snipe and shoot everybody up, but you can so as a fighter, you’ll notice, the great fighters, the good fighters, have a very uh laid-back demeanor.
We don’t have to prove nothing, because we know what we can do and a lot of the times when you press us, that’s when we exhibit the most calm and the most resilient, because if we was to ever open up it wouldn’t be good for you and If we were to ever open up, these are licensed, we can get charged as if they’re weapons, because they are weapons.
Now, when you get license of a fighter, these are licensed you’re not licensed to fight you’re licensed because you are using these as a weapon.
So now we go back to talking about the black eye of the sport.
So now the context of that does get warped now in women’s boxing, because they uh the majority were still getting we’re, still still learning to get our um respect in the game and a lot of the guys.
Now, because now female boxing has merged into mailboxing, they really feel like.
We can’t do damage or we can’t damage each other, so the women that i’ve named they were hit so many times that they stay sustained damage.
So the ref didn’t see it well, starting the matchmaker didn’t respect the fact that sustaining so much damage can kill a woman right, so they find a loser.
Someone who’s gotten knocked out several times: someone who’s, not in good fitness, or shape to stand in front of a woman who has been training for months, who didn’t have to cut weight? Who didn’t have to do anything for that that that lady? Who is unprepared to get slaughtered or they’ll call with two weeks in advance? I’M sorry, you can’t call nobody to fight rounds or whatever two weeks in advance.
It ain’t that type of party, no more women’s boxing ain’t in that two-week notice, deal no more right because it’s women out here that can hurt you now more women, because there were women out that could hurt you before right, but more women.
The chances that your ass will get hurt by somebody now in uh, going to a fight with only two weeks preparation is is, is more um likely now than it was years ago, and i i think the fans need to know this so looking at that clip Initially, when they said you know, they called out girl, uh that that opponent, sinisia’s opponent, two weeks notice and they said they’re telling you the truth.
They telling you what you’re looking at you’re, looking at a woman who has had eight fights against and none of her opponents have winning records and she’s only had she probably had less than uh 10 fights and she’s standing in front of a killer.
Sinisia’S estrada.
Who is 18 and 0.
? Who has fought an olympian? I think she fought yeah, who just recently fought an olympian and stopped her the opponent.
You know you got ta, protect yourself at all times that opponent’s coach – i i think it was her husband allowed her to sign up for that.
It’S the black eye right! There’S! No women go into this thing, thinking that people are going to look out for them.
That boxing is a sport that uh is a gentleman.
I always call boxing the jealous boyfriend or the jealous girlfriend right.
Uh boxing is no gentleman, there’s no gentleman or gentlewomanship in that we’re all psychopaths and we get together and we meet up to see who who’s the the who’s, the who will go the furthest, who has the greater will? Who has the skill who is? Who is crazy enough to be champion because you got to be a little bit uh crazy um to to be that number one on the spot? Um my experience now i was, i guess i was used as a gatekeeper.
I this fight is one of my last fights pinnacle fight.
I fought jessica, mccaskill and um, because i was a fighter that i i did always press that moral code.
I never fought someone who didn’t have a chance um, and i also in in in doing that.
I expected that also in the industry, and it was not that that was not um offered to me.
I i said it before you know i cecilia breckus um, all of all the all of these name women.
All of these legends i was knocking on their door right, but they would never fight me on fair ground, so um after having a long hiatus and going through stuff outside of boxing.
In my life um, i took the fight i took a fight with.
I took the fight with jessica, mccaskill but uh.
This is how this is how the matchmaker set you up right, candy, wyatt now and then two fought, and i actually like that.
I i liked how that turned out, because there’s some karmatic um there’s some uh chromatic results in that fight.
Right, uh, candy, wyatt, uh offered me a fight before and candy wyatt offered me a fight, i’m i was always fought at super lightweight or junior welterweight.
Sugar was a junior wealth, 140 pounds, but i would go up or i would i would go down but not drastically, but as these matchmakers and as time go by and as they study you because i’m a good knit.
I was a good name to have on on a fighter’s resume um because of my background and because in in the boxing world, people were aware of my skill set and who i was not yet not the you know, fans who have seen me yes, but in The boxing world people know people know about sugar, you know i i i got ta say i’ve made a name for myself um.
They look at you and i always say: um, there’s a timing, there’s a timing to see or there’s a timing that they put you on the shelf.
So your bones get soft and i always say bones: get soft people don’t realize it, but when you’re not fighting when you’re, not taking the impact and the blows, the body uh the tendons, the muscles and everything in the body starts to get soft.
So you’re not able to absorb the impact that you would before because you’re like i said before: you’re, not racing the ferrari, okay and so um.
Coming out of that hiatus um.
I was right for the picking so candy wyatt offered me a fight previously candy wyatt fights at 147 140, but candy wyatt never weighs in at fight weight.
So you’re an opponent or you check you get the challenger, you sign the contract and this is what they do, because this is worth it to them right.
It’S worth it this way you go uh, you do what you need to do to make weight, because you have a reputation.
I’Ve never showed up.
Uh overweight, i’m a woman of my word.
So if i signed that contract – and i said i’m going to meet you down here on the meet you up there – that’s where suga’s going to meet you and they know that in the industry right, so i and they cased me out um the first one um Slimeball matchmaker and manager and promoter um tried to set me up for the fight with candy wyant and when i started asking questions um.
The one guy who put the fight, who i trusted to put the fight together, abandoned the fight um.
You couldn’t find them.
You couldn’t call them or anything like that, because i heard i had some people in in the great you know in that grapevine um.
That said, you know sugar.
If you wan na fight, i you know, i put the feelers out there.
You know candy wyatt.
You know i’m gon na fight.
Her came back to me well sugar.
What way you find candy? Why is that? Um, i’m gon na fight her at um, 1 40.
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They said, no, you couldn’t be fighting candy wired at 140, because candy wyatt fights at 147 and she never shows up on weight at 147.
She shows up overweight and she she makes it an ultimatum for her for the opponent either you fight me or you go home or um.
Okay, you don’t find okay i’ll, give you a couple hundred dollars off my purse and then she fights you and she has the advantage because she never had to suck down or anything like that.
She came in overweight and then she’ll beat the opponent.
That’S how that works fight is one outside the ring.
Well, i’m gon na tell you all the story about uh mccaskill.
I wasn’t wise about mccaskill and not many people around me knew about mccaskill.
So the fight came up.
Uh mccaskill, they asked um.
They said: okay, um, two weeks notice fight.
I was in pretty decent shape and um, but the bones were soft and um.
They offered me the fight and i took the fight um thinking that i would be able to go and and fight mccaskill at um say about 1 35, 136 um right before um going down there.
I really they said.
No, if you’re gon na take the fight or if you’re gon na sign off the fight fight needs to be at 134.
uh, very rarely i’ve dipped down there.
I i did down there 135 four to five fujian rika anytime sugar, dipped down that that number it just never goes well so um bones were soft.
I went and i dropped down to a weight that i didn’t that i don’t normally fight at so me and mccaskill and it’s on youtube.
Here we were banging, we were banging each other out and um.
I could not sustain the the punishment mccaskill had months to prepare for the fight sugar because uh i i wasn’t – i i wasn’t being smart and my management wasn’t looking out for me, those who were in charge weren’t protecting me and i took the fight and um Where sugar would have probably did very well against mccaskill, the other outside um variables were the thing that got me defeated in the fight on top of the fact that yeah sugar brings that hand back low if she’s not prepared and um, i got dropped and then Um the referee, like i said you never know the referee jumps in and says oh she’s out on her feet.
Where you know i got up.
I i think.
Well, i mean who knows now, but i think i should have had an opportunity to finish the fight, because i was not um.
I was not knocked out or i i didn’t sustain an injury and everybody gets dropped.
Tito trinidad, the fight was just getting warm when you dropped tito um sugar was in a place where you know i could have kept fighting, but that is what it is i gave.
I gave that example uh of the okie doke.
I call it the okie doke.
You know that’s how they set up good contenders from outside of the ring so um, you know a contender who has maybe better backing or has money behind them um they can build a paper tiger or a paper champion.
So right after uh mccaskill beat me.
She went and fought katie taylor because they knew okay.
If she, if she could get through sugar, she could deal with katie right and then this is what happened and after that you know.
Like i said, mccaskill is backed very well.
She has good handlers now she’s the undisputed welterweight champion.
She took all the cecilia’s belts so bittersweet, i’m glad it was her that took cecilia’s running ass, her belts because somehow uh, the the one that went through me is the one that got her belts and – and i feel good about that um.
But at the same time, sugar fell for the okie doke um.
We got some girls coming up now.
You know um miriam uh guterres was an opponent of michaela meyer and uh in their fight.
Miriam took 236 punches to the face and she’s sitting there in the in the damn picture, with uh mayor smiling about that [ __ ] that ain’t nothing to smile about girl.
You took 237 punches to the face that mean you weren’t supposed to be there.
In the first place, you wasn’t prepared, try punching tiara brown in the face 236 times, michaela right.
So these i i said this because i’m going to wrap it up now.
You know um, you got fighters out here, boys lava, granova, 11 wins 67 losses from bulgaria and she’s still fighting.
Look at her record up on box wreck you’ll see some very prominent names on that record.
Right, 67 losses.
Baby! Hang it up! It’S actually a blemish on a fighter’s record to have fought an opponent like that.
You fought a lo.
That’S someone who’s, just a loser: 67 losses.
11 wins okay, uh, galena, uh and these women are from you know, bulgari from other.
I’M sorry.
If i’m butchering these names, you know uh galena, uh, leska, 11, wins 41 losses.
Why would you fight like this? Is the black eye of women’s boxing you’re supposed to be a champion you’re not doing nobody any favors, there’s no growth there, okay, so um! I said i’m saying that i’m going to wrap i’m going to wrap up now, um tonight’s talk about the black eye in women’s boxing, because this is a it’s an important talk and i, as fans i want y’all to know about this talk.
So when y’all are looking at your favorite fighter, whether you like her or not, i want you to know if that’s a real fighter or not right, is she fighting people who are prepared? Is she really the baddest broad out there or is she a paper tiger right? Is her people searching and finding people for her to be bad against or for her to be a champion against for her to knock out against right? There’S too many paper tigers in women’s boxing right now, right there too many women that aren’t earning it now and we need to make them accountable for that.
There are too many women picking on or finding opponents in other countries that are vulnerable, that don’t know what the climate is out here that are signing up to get something to pay their bills, to feed their family or whatever.
It is right not knowing what they’re actually putting on their lives on the line, knowing that they’re actually putting their life on the line right, not able to defend themselves.
A champion does not pick a fight with someone who cannot defend themselves.
Okay, you pick a contender who will extend you who has a chance who you can come to terms with and know that? Okay, i’m have to try and when i do try and when i do beat this person, it’s a mutual respect, because they’re a real contender too, and they go on to greatness just like i will go on to greatness.
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