“Show Me The Money” Womens Boxings Big Promoters | The Sugar Show
EPISODE: Episode 4
“Show Me The Money” Womens Boxings Big Promoters | The Sugar Show
Natalie discusses the top promoters for womens boxing right now including Eddie Hearn, the promoter behind Katie Taylor vs. Amanda Serrano, the biggest women’s boxing match of all time.
The SUGAR Show is a series focused on Women’s Boxing. Natalie SUGAR Brown visits all aspects of Women’s Championship Boxing involving both up-and-coming and seasoned amateur and professional female boxers, along with studio segments covering headlines and developments across the sport. The program primarily broadcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:30 pm eastern time, weekly.
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[, Music, ], hey y’all, it’s your sugar here and it’s wednesday night, and you know it’s about that time.
We’Re here on talk and fight sugar, show talking about women’s boxing and um for those who aren’t quite familiar with sugar.
I’M just gon na reintroduce myself.
My name is natalie sugar brown.
I’Ve been a uh elite level, female fighter uh for a lot of years in women’s boxing and um.
I’M here now to discuss uh the the actual authentic experiences and and the um behind the scenes.
Type of deal in women’s boxing and and to to get that conversation going so um people can have some information and answer questions, and you know let you guys into our world of women’s boxing.
So tonight’s topic is show me.
The money show me the money right, meaning who is who is paying in women’s boxing? Who is the one that’s bringing the spotlight to us now in women’s boxing and helping us get our uh money up so we’re discussing promoters who are now making um a making? A substantial mark in our industry, as far as now um putting the spotlight on female fighters women’s boxing, as well as adding to our pay grade.
Putting us on these uh big shows.
Now these giving us these opportunities to shine and to generate fanfare and and just all the things that the pioneers in women’s boxing were fighting for and are still fighting for so uh.
Let’S get into the chat tonight and i always say you guys out there.
I love love love when you guys chime in so chime in when you want to.
If you want to okay, i asked me questions.
There’S no such thing as a stupid question, right um.
If, if it’s just you really having no clue about who i’m talking about and you’re still asking – and you want to know, of course, i will definitely engage up vinnie ali, hey um, that’s you eric, hey eric, thank you for chiming in with sugar tonight, so um.
It’S a party now, okay and um.
Let’S get started so um, we’re going to my lovely assistant, is going to put up my first image.
Okay, all right! So these two guys here are um [, Music, ], big promoters, not only in women’s boxing but uh.
In boxing uh boxing in general, okay, so um on the left there you have eddie hearn and i’m sure you guys uh recognize that name he’s been doing a lot um, not only in in women’s boxing and men’s boxing and um.
You know he he’s he’s the the man of the hour and beside him.
Um is frank: warren, okay and a frank warren promotion.
So frank warren has been mike: hey mike, michael or chimes in hey, hey mike thanks for chiming in tonight.
Okay, all right! It’S a party, i’m so excited so um.
Now when i say show me the money.
This is what has happened in the field of women’s boxing up until present okay, so there were very few opportunities for female fighters to number one get fights uh and especially like number two having a platform that people can see them on right, uh, women’s boxing was Underground just call it underground.
Okay, so smaller promoters would put a female fight on the show, uh goodness, if they, if they felt really generous, they would put two female fighters on the show, and that would be it for like six months and then another one.
Six months and – and so we were out here either clamoring to get the spot on that look on that small show or we we do like some unsanctioned underground [ __ ], because we wanted to fight right.
So that was the that that was the environment.
That was the terrain out here.
Um and sugar has done both okay um.
The money was not in the ring up until present the money you got was.
Would you the opportunities that came to you outside of the ring from a spectator, a handler someone who took interest in you as a fighter and just generally wanted to see you and wanted to see you grow um as the baddest broad in in the industry and And you know we may do on that.
We, some of us, did well for ourselves.
Uh, there were champions, they’re, always champions the sanctioning bodies, uh, you know some.
We were able to get belts and things like that, and so, as uh women’s boxing evolved now, people started to take interest, especially after the 2012 olympics.
That was the first wave of women who were actually seen as prospects that these large name promoters now would take on and make into stars, because in women’s boxing a star is not born.
A star is made a lot of these women that you see and that you know their name.
They are certainly not the best out there, they uh are marketed and they got the lucky lottery ticket and they they have uh a promoter that has put them on a platform.
First, lady who’s ever done it that way.
Christy martin, she lucked out she used to do those tough man, tough women, conte underground contests, and she then got on with don king who put her on the mike tyson undercards and she messed around and stole the show on some of them, because you know mike Tyson fights were short, so you have to have some kind of gravy or something like that.
You know and to to add some interest to the car.
So christy martin did that and she’s you know she.
She kind of put the there were other women boxing trust me like there were there they’re, always women have always boxed.
We have such a rich history and i will get into our history in another um in another session in another show.
But tonight we’re talking about now these guys um uh.
Earlier today, uh colleague and i um we were talking about the show he said the mad men of boxing which yeah you got ta, be i mean we’re fighters, we fight in the ring, but you got to be mad crazy to actually put together a fight to Know what the public wants to see to know um how to build for people to want to to pay attention to the fact that somebody finna get their ass whooped.
You know what i’m saying, because at the end of the day, it is a fight.
At the end of the day, it’s a fight, somebody’s gon na get beat right, so these guys now put it together they and and found a way that we can all make a living from it and make some money um.
Now i’m going to start with frank warren, the the gentleman there on the right hand side he has been.
I mean these guys.
Let me just start off by saying this: okay um before yeah before i even get into talking about these promoters right um in as a woman in boxing right, you can’t just take any contract.
That’S sent to you right, it’s very dangerous out here.
My last uh episode – i you know – i always talk about the black eye – the black eyes in women’s boxing, because it is something that is prevalent and women get flown out fighters get flown out to these places and they’re forced to deal with.
You know promoters who don’t follow through on on their deal: um crappy conditions, you know they’re, not they they, they can’t even they’re, not even staying in a proper hotel.
You know, or you know, they’re not getting food and then they have to fight.
You know just things like that: um, the the most tragic where some of us – and i say us – because we are all connected some of us – get flown out to a fight and never come back home, a life okay.
So this is how serious it gets out there, especially for women’s boxing, because our stuff can get swept under the rug.
No one really pays attention out here, um when it comes to women’s boxing, so nowadays um there has been some shine on the tragedies that have happened recently, but those are not by far not the first that have happened, um a lot.
Women have lost their lives and you just keep moving right and all of us women in the industry.
We’Re aware of these dangers so um, as a woman now out here, looking to take contracts for these fights back in the day.
You know you had a manager and if that manager was looking out for your best interests, there are things that you want to.
Certainly consider before you take on a contract and i’m going to go over those quickly, okay, so the first thing that you want to consider is who okay who’s the promoter who’s the fighter, all right? Second, where? Where is this right? Because um i’ve been to some interesting places to fight and if it were not for the fact that i i had a protective team around me, don’t that would those would have been a no-no.
Okay and and um a lot of women a lot of women in boxing female fighters.
They don’t have teams.
Sometimes they fly out most likely with their one coach um or you know they.
They fly out with a friend who’s gon na work, their corner because they think.
Oh, you know it’s just another, broad that i’m going to fight and, like i said it, can it can end very tragically so um you want to consider who who’s the promoter? Who is this that you’re fighting? Now you know with what a time to be a fighter now, because now we have box rec and now we have um youtube, and and now we have these resources that we can really check out um the opposition uh that we we’re facing uh by name um.
You want to know where, because, like i said, there’s some places that are very hostile, especially to women who fight um.
We ain’t the jam everywhere.
You know so uh.
You have to understand that the these places, not only are you flying in to fight but you’re, flying into a uh, maybe flying into a hostile environment where outside of the ring you may become, you may be attacked or you can get hurt so protect yourself at All times um, you want to consider the timing and a lot of people get caught up this way, especially nowadays, because matchmaking is a science, okay, so um a lot of the the the shenanigans and i call it the shenanigans uh this one, particularly the okeydoke – is Um they’ll have a fighter a female fighter, um training for months weeks.
You know and then they’ll call the opponent or the opposition two weeks before the fight right so um and this was half.
This was very prevalent in women’s boxing uh during my time and and before, because you know i i was on a show earlier uh in the in well later, because this is june 1st so later in in in the month of may, where uh tim witherspoon said.
Well, you got to be ready, you got to be ready.
You just got to be ready to go.
I mean that’s very old school right, um yeah! You got to be ready to go, but now because matchmaking, the science of matchmaking is being used as a weapon.
Now you cannot be ready to go, you’ll, never be ready for somebody.
If you’re only given a two-week notice walking in to fight them and a lot of these people, you know fighters say: oh, i took the fight on two weeks notice and i won and i won, and this and that good great right, but the professional way, the Professional way, not a 50 fighter right professional fighter that meant that plans to have a career doing this is not the type of fighter to be taking two week notice fights right.
It doesn’t look good for you, because you are now walking into a potential situation where you’re you don’t know how to prepare to perform against the opposition and they’ve had your name on the rate on their radar on a list for weeks months, and then you get A two-week notice that you’re gon na fight them – and you know someone – has a grand upper hand in that situation.
We don’t want to do that anymore right.
We don’t do that anymore um, especially since we want more contenders because there’s so much potential out here.
Uh talent, wise with with women right and this two week notice garbage, is taking a lot of prospects off the map because in in women’s boxing, how it goes is you know you you’re brought in you’re you’re you’re the lamb to the slaughter so you’re brought in For this name girl to slaughter you, and if you give her a good fight, even with the two weeks notice, you’re going to lose and then you’re going to go into the bargain bin, never to be seen again right because they’re more focused on this name girl.
We want to stop that.
We want the fans, you guys to love women’s boxing or to respect women’s boxing so much that when y’all see a a bad broad abroad that you fight brad abroad, that does well for herself in there um.
So the timing, no two week notice right you you want enough time to at least prepare or to feel like you’re prepared going into a fight right.
It could be a four rounder, six rounder, eight rounder women.
We don’t do twelve rounders and of course, we know that they’re two minute rounds, so um a tomb that round is a sprint.
You got ta know exactly what you’re doing in two minutes right.
You don’t get three minutes to break nobody down if women were fighting three-minute rounds.
A lot of these champions would not be champions for sure, because that three-minute round is a total different beast two minutes you could play hide and seek and touch and go right fighter.
Like katie taylor, they have her number one for pound for pound.
Uh missy pool could not run.
You can’t run, and you can’t hide for three minutes straight in that boxing ring.
You got ta, stand and fight, so um, the the the rules are different um and the terrain is slightly different, so um, you know when we talk when we talk about the timing, we’re talking about all of those things that need to be considered.
Um number of rounds, of course, uh and the distance that you’re going to travel right, um you’re, getting you know for you to rush and sometimes there’s a time difference in all of these things, and then you got to perform.
You know this.
These are all tools, weapons used in matchmaking, and you have to understand that the matchmaker works.
The matchmaker assumed that the matchmaker is never on your team.
The matchmaker works for your opposition right, so they’re gon na look out for their best interests.
Give you an opportunity, but they are not certainly not um.
Looking for you to have the upper hand or or to have the um um any advantages right because should, if, if you match somebody up and they get beat, guess what happens, you don’t have a job.
You don’t get to match them, no more right! So that’s why it’s gotten really slimy to where these matchmakers have become um, some of the deadliest uh people on the team because they sit and they stalk and they watch and they wait for a lame right.
They wait for you to become stale, they wait for you to be shelved, they wait for you to be collect dust and then they pull you out the bin and say two weeks.
I have an opportunity for you to fight good money.
Come on right so be aware of that um.
My people out here that want a box.
My women that want to box, and my people out here that are interested in women’s boxing.
So the distance to travel sometimes there’s a time difference, and that makes a lot of you know that really makes a lot a big deal so um i found in japan and um.
You know they are literally 12 hours different.
So it’s um like what time is it now? Let me look at it.
It’S almost eight o’clock right now in the evening here in in the united states, and it’s gon na be eight o’clock in the morning over there in in japan right.
So that’s how that works so when you’re flying into that, your body is used to this time, while it’s eight o’clock in the morning over there and then to perform with that time, difference right, so you’re essentially fighting when you should be when your body feels like Sleeping and vice versa, you know um, hey tony.
Yes, it’s good to see that you did catch the live.
Thank you for chiming in tony um uh, thanks for coming in tonight.
We’Re talking about um, you know the the art or the the promoters in women’s boxing and – and you know, show us the money now, because these guys are are the ones that are bringing money uh putting money in our pocket sound, bringing up putting money on the Table but we’re um, i’m discussing now, um in in understanding how to take fights the contract, how how to take fights in your best interest and what to look out for so um.
You know, there’s the timing and the time difference um.
What kind of support do you have? Are they gon na fly your team out um? Are they only going to fly your coach out? Do you have a cut man? What are they you know? What is your support going into this battle and that’s a big deal? A lot of promoters, especially the small ones, back in my day, when you get a fight, they were really nasty.
They bare they didn’t even want to.
They flew you out and one other person right.
So you couldn’t get a team.
You you had to essentially have a sponsor or you had to pay anybody else’s way.
That was coming for you.
So when you got to the fights you would find you know, there’s there’s people hanging around, so you would find a cut man right to to help work, your corner or, if you’d, if they wouldn’t fly your trainer out they’d, make a deal and some some fighters.
Some females were desperate enough to um tony.
I just hit your live on my community page.
Tony yes, like subscribe, share some of this sugar.
Thank you tony for showing me love and and and spreading this sugar, okay and i do hope, uh we get some people interested so um.
Yes, these promoters now um it.
You know it was real raggedy back then right so um some it was.
It was a time where women weren’t as dangerous or there weren’t as many dangerous women, meaning there weren’t many women that could totally beat the [ __ ] out of you, and and put you in the icu in in the hospital like how what’s happening now right.
It was just a scrap, so you could possibly take a risk in going somewhere by yourself and just give a good fight fight another broad and make it a good fight and make you some money.
If you couldn’t hold your own, though right you can get, you would get seriously hurt like i said so um.
These are the things right so um support.
Are they gon na give you uh per diem right? Because they’ll fly you out a couple days before the weigh-in, maybe two days before weigh-in.
Are they gon na give you a hotel to stay in? Are they going to give you per diem or money to um pay for meals, or are they going to provide you meals? Sometimes they don’t right.
Some sometimes they’ll put you in.
You know a a real hole in the wall and you’re you’re.
You know you’re there and then then they put you miles away from where you can get food yeah.
They do stuff like that or they put you in an isolated place where it’s just very hard for you to get what you need in order to perform.
That night, these are the shenanigans that um go on in in in boxing, but especially women’s boxing, because we didn’t have a voice um before they.
We we didn’t, have these big platforms before um to to to take measure from so we were being treated crappy and all we wanted to do was fight, and we were grateful for the opportunity so um.
These are things now with these bigger guys promoters that i’m going to go through now that we are to expect now because we have spotlight, we have these larger names investing in putting these shows on so um.
We we can get some good treatment and, and some respect now, um where, before you know it that certainly wasn’t the deal um you want to know.
If there’s what kind, if what kind of platform are you fighting in? Is this a rinky-dink bar? You know? Is this a hole in the wall club somewhere? Is this uh uh um a venue that will be um shared? You know they? They have their own local, um, television or local media.
That will share the the fight and what’s happening um.
You know in this matchup and that you want to look for these things and my my coach jerome coffee, one of my coach um, goodness tony um, i’m not sure tony.
What what you’re asking right um give me a little bit more detail and we’ll get back to you um.
So my coach, jerome used to say um, make sure when you, when we want to make sure when we fly out where we go, there’s going to be somebody to see and tell the story we’re not going to go to a hole in the walls right.
We’Re not going to go to rinky-dink clubs that you can get robbed severely and then that blemish is on your record.
We want to go to places where, at least, if you do get robbed at lea, if you do get a nasty decision, there is something recorded that people can look at objectively and say: hmm that, but you know she she.
She was given a raw deal that she didn’t win that fight.
You know, did you you you want.
You want witnesses right for for that, but so the there were a lot of um blemishes on very good fighters careers, because good fighters, good opposition, would get flown out and robbed blind because there wasn’t any uh any visual platform for to see actually what happened and Then you know the next day you have the media who works for who they like certain promoters, to tell a bogus story about the fight that you might have got robbed in okay and then, like i said, the venue you want.
You know you want to consider these venues uh now that you’re gon na go fight into because um venues can be a dangerous venue.
It could be just a bar, it could be like it.
It could be somewhere that for your greater good for the greater good of your career, you don’t want nobody knowing or seeing that.
Oh that’s a bar fighter.
Oh you know oh um.
Where was this? You know that that was somebody’s backyard because there used to be women’s bouts in people’s backyard yeah.
It went down like that at a at a certain time.
It was underground like that um in in women’s boxing.
So i went over that because now we’re going to talk about these promoters that are showing us the money in women’s boxing and i’m not saying that oh they’re, the saviors.
What i’m saying is now yeah they’re, throwing us a bone out here.
So it’s better than we had before and and it’s looking good so um on the right here.
We have uh frank with the the british, the big boys of britain or of of the uk, because if you want to make some money in women’s boxing, there are certain places that you are certainly gon na want to go and fight at and right now you Want to go fight over in the uk, they are paying good and they’re having lots of opportunities for women to fight now jane couch was one of the was the pioneer of women’s boxing over there they’re not giving her the flowers that she deserves, jane couch.
Look her up, i mean she would fight anybody anywhere fly from england over to the us.
She tried to get a license over there.
They denied her her license like she, i mean she.
She went through the business right.
She they they beat her up in and outside the ring, and she she just rolled with it.
And now you know that there are women.
You know in the uk, women’s boxing is huge and you don’t see jane couch, getting any shine and she was the one that started that that ball rolling over there.
She was the fighter that put herself out there and bled for this.
These two men here you know they they real raggedy for it for doing that.
I think that’s really disrespectful to the history of women’s boxing, but it is our responsibility to make sure that we get our respect and and the women who have paid the paved.
The way for these other women to make this money for these for these promoters to make money, they need to get some kind of acknowledgement at least acknowledge the effort because it didn’t just happen overnight, and it certainly wasn’t easy.
So frank warren here up tony’s review, serrano vs taylor was one of the biggest fights in boxing this year.
I can’t wait for shields marshall and bomb danger bomb gardner mayor thanks for chiming.
In with that, one tony so i’ma deviate from the topic and talk about that.
Yes, serrano versus taylor was one of the biggest fights in boxing.
I loved that i really did i.
I love that a woman’s fight is one of the biggest fights that happened this year, the matchup – and i i really wasn’t – i’m really not too keen on any of those fighters because um one katie taylor, like i said, she’s a two-minute fighter and serrano i mean She has she’s, very skilled and and and all of that good stuff, but i i think, connections and you know just playing the game – got this thing on on such a big platform.
I appreciate it.
I like it but there’s so many great contenders out here.
That would have done real good by showing a like how we really get down out here in women’s boxing, okay um.
I can’t wait for shields versus marshall too.
I can’t wait for that.
Um shields versus marshall uh, i’m excited for because both have some good iq.
So we’re going to see some real stuff go down in the ring, we’re not seeing pit uh touch and go and playing tag and running around, and you know what i’m saying we’ll probably see some some um strategy executed right because shields.
She has a great iq.
I’M not sure who’s handling her um corner, but i know marshall has stepped away from you know the um, the mayweather camp and she’s, taken on peter fury, tyson tyson, fury’s father and in her last performances, she’s showing some of the general ship that uh actually has Made tyson fury such a um menace to the heavyweight realm, so there’s some tactics and generalship that i see um that i want to see how clarissa shields deals with and shields now pressing marshall.
I want to see um if marshall is really that that um, you know this ain’t amateurs, no more and – and she has that story where she she beat clarissa shields in the amateurs uh.
We we in the in the pro realm now.
You know far different from the amateurs with this is when this is women.
Fighting big girl, panties now um, you know, you don’t have a referee coming in stop put your head up, stop stop stopping every little bit and and touching and tag we got.
There’S a you’re in there with these smaller gloves, no headgear, um and they’re going to let you fight through any little t, entanglement and and they’re going to let you um, you know whatever ross johnson 20.
hello there thanks for chiming in to the sugar show.
Okay, we talking boxing here we talking about i’m just in the middle of talking about how excited i am about the matchup between shields and marshall right, so marshall boasts that she beat shields in the amateurs and she has that victory, but it’s a total different game Right they got pushing pulling.
You got um a glove rash that you got to look out, for you got all of this stuff that we definitely didn’t did not uh need to look for in the amateurs, so the the uh.
It’S the playing field, terrain, the environment.
Here is far different and i just i really want to see how shields and marshall navigate that now baumgardner versus mayor okay, so this just came up um.
To be honest, this is not a big fight for me like these are just two like i said these are.
These are two popular girls that get a chance to fight, which is great bomb gardeners claim the fame is that she knocked out um goodness.
Her name is at the top.
You know how sometimes the the you see the face, which you can’t put the name, somebody chime in with the name um baumgardner knocked this fighter out who clearly um you could see before she had issues making that weight.
So she came into that fight.
Um uh, ross johnson comes in.
I feel like a frog, because i know like a handful of boxers baby, listen you’re, not coming in for a job interview you coming in for a chat with sugar.
So if you need to ask a question, if you don’t know, ask whatever you do know about the handful of fighters, ask okay! Yes, eric terry harper! So baumgardner knocked out um terry harper, who was clearly having trouble making that weight.
You could see it in her! Previous performances right, but sometimes it’s hard for us to let go and she thought um she made uh tony comes and she medu said harper.
She had her frozen.
Like a statue.
Michael orr says: yes, it was terry harper.
Now terry harper, i’ll tell you this terry harper is is: is a tough cookie right? What i always say to you guys is this: when you are not fighting in your weight class in your in your natural weight class you’re a different fighter, so terry harper is a tall rangy fighter and she’s scrum she’s strong for her weight too she’s strong, okay.
But not at that weight, i i believe the weight is what 130.
she’s not strong at that weight.
Five, eight! You know uh, you got to she’s depleting herself getting down there where um bum gardener body can still make that weight, and she can still be effective.
So when she took that punch from um bumgardner, if she was in her weight, if her proper weight she’d be able to absorb it, but because she was already running off of fumes from making the weight.
Yes, she did turn into a statue didn’t she.
She was gone right and it made a glorious victory.
Excuse me victory for baumgardner, okay, which now she’s a name but bob garner, she’s, powerful she’s.
She you know she got some stuff going on she’s cute, but she ain’t special yeah.
I said it: bum gardener got outboxed, y’all um, give me the uh.
I know michael knows this in in out there, but bum gardner got outboxed um really badly um in in one of her losses.
So you know the the thing i’d sugar talks about styles.
Make fights okay, so this big, tough, strong, banger style is the the more common is.
The status goes uh style in women’s boxing.
You either have that and or then you have the um glorified amateur who plays tag in the ring, touch and run hit and run hit and run right.
So you have there, it is.
She got out boxed by lin, uh, lena darto.
Is that the greek um fighter? That’S the real medusa? Isn’T it she called herself medusa, uh, lena darto, yep tony and mike thank y’all for coming in so um yeah right, so um bum garner got um yeah, leonardo, she’s, and – and this is the thing with lena darto – she fought katie taylor too, and i at the Press conference, like the i mean the post press conference, you could clearly see who lost the fight.
Katie taylor had the bruises and all of that stuff.
All over her and lina darda was sitting there.
Looking like, she just came up off the beach, and it was so bad that um katie, taylor’s um she katie taylor and her team were so embarrassed that they left they walked out in the middle of the post press conference, because leona leonardo said, look at me And look at her, you could clearly see who won the fight right and my man here to the left, mr hearn eddie hearn, because that’s katie taylor’s promoter.
They all got up and they walked out on on leonardo in the post press conference.
Disrespectful see [ __ ], like that, doesn’t happen in men’s boxing.
Punk moves like that.
Don’T happen right, you’re supposed to be woman enough to sit down and talk about what went down in the fight right.
Even if i have blemishes and bruises on me, i can say: okay yeah, you feel like you won the fight, even though i’m talking that yang yeah, we could do it again, even though i’d be like eddie.
Please don’t let me go back in there with her.
You know, but you know you could talk good for yourself, but because it’s women’s boxing, you know it you can they can rob a great fighter like uh, lena darto and just walk away and leave her standing there with the bag right.
So it’s a double-edged sword.
You know we have these promoters here: eddie hearn, uh, frank warren, that they’re putting the spotlight on in the uk, putting the spotlight on women’s boxing, but they’re also still playing that nasty game in where they’re robbing great fighters of opportunities to um, grow and and and Expand and and make women’s boxing bigger, because there can’t only be one queen, there’s that this is not a um a monarchy.
This is a friggin.
You know that this is a jungle right and um.
You know in the jungle, you don’t just have one line.
You have several lions and they go at it right.
They go at it, some claim territories.
You know that.
That’S what it is.
It’S a jungle, so you can’t have just one queen sitting on there getting her ass whooped and she still wins that doesn’t work.
That’S not how women’s boxing, that’s not how our industry’s gon na grow and it’s not gon na put money in our pockets.
It’S still gon na cap, our money right because now leonardo she because leonardo because she’s already fought the two big names and she hasn’t.
They didn’t she’s, not a name anymore per se she’s in the bargain bin.
No one makes any money leonardo doesn’t make any money fighting again because no one’s promoting her and no one’s going to make money.
Fighting uh lena darto until they pull linda darto out the bargain bin to use her as a stepping stone for another star that they’re making that’s how that works.
I hate it, but it is what it is so frank warren.
He was an attorney and he was in the industry.
This is the the gentleman here on the right he’s he’s been in the boxing industry for about 20 years um, and these types they really don’t like to see women box.
Okay, he’s been in boxing for 20 years, and i told you all about jane couch over there in uk and never once did he give her an opportunity, but with the women with now that wave of women from the first olympics in 2012, you know you had To if you were in boxing you had to you have to get a piece of that, so he signed nicola adams and there’s a story there.
Where you know, nicola adams was not really happy about how she was treated um, being a fighter with frank warren promotions.
She has some issues there and she had to retire from boxing forever, maybe uh, maybe her uh.
Her story, we’ll talk more about her story one day, but this ain’t about nicola adams, but she was the first female that he signed.
She i think nicola adams was an olympic medalist in 2012.
I think she got the gold um and she’s a uk fighter, eddie hearn.
Now that’s match: uh matchroom, uh sport, okay, uh he’s becoming the leading force in uh boxing, not only boxing but women’s boxing and making a star of katie taylor, okay and then um he’s also been a part of or the catalyst for making these huge fights.
Sorry all i live in the city.
I keep saying this, so you all hear this so um.
This um eddie hearn now is making these huge platforms for katie taylor to draw in pay-per-view and to bring they’re flying they flying the you know bad broads from the us over to fight katie they fight they fly in bad broad from all over the place.
Greece, everywhere to fight katie, they just not fly belgium.
You know they but they’re, not flying in the real contenders to fight katie they’re flying in the safe contenders, who have made the silent agreement that, yes, we will make your star shine, bright, eddie, hearn, we’ll put in a good fight or whatever.
But we know that she’s gon na beat us and she’s gon na win.
Okay, we’ll try our best, though that’s that’s the silent agreement with eddie hurt um, and then you might get a rematch you you might you know.
But if you look like you, if you look like you were too close to beating katie taylor, you ain’t gon na get no rematch.
You ain’t gon na get no chance to do it again right because that’s his that’s his cash cow.
So you ain’t gon na.
Let the queen look you that queen look bad um.
These are like eddie hearn has brought now before, where i think laila ali supposedly laila lee versus jackie fraser um, brought in you know a million dollar payday or a million dollar money to the game.
And it’s because you know they came in off of their daddy’s name.
They didn’t come in because they were great fighters.
They came in.
You know off the residual impact of what their fathers did in boxing.
So people wanted to see it.
Um eddie hearn now has grown, has homegrown katie taylor into being a million dollar uh female fighter women’s fighter um and that’s tremendous he.
You know he he’s done great things for women’s boxing.
Um double-edged sword uh.
He could do.
He could do right by women’s boxing by um, making a better go at cultivating more talent and and um giving more opportunities.
But you know it is what it is it’s his show.
So i’m happy that he will at least focus and not have negative things to say about women’s boxing.
Like other promoters have um frank warren is one of them.
You know just don’t agree.
They don’t like to see women fight women boxing.
They don’t like to see women in fighting it’s it’s something that they’re opposed to, but it makes them money so they’re gon na do what makes them money um.
Now we go from the uk to the usa right.
So if you want to make some money out here in women’s boxing um tony comes in, i was 10 when layla got married and i haven’t forgiven her.
Yet that was my wife to be.
Ah, she got married twice yeah.
She got married to yaya mclean and we call him yaya right.
He came out of he’s out of georgia right.
So when i was a young whippersnapper because layla’s a bit older than me, i was boxing and uh yaya went out to vegas, where i think he met up.
That’S where he met up with leila and all of that stuff and uh.
They got together and he started managing leila ali and he got married to her and that’s how that all started yeah and then um.
You know i think it was like.
Maybe a year uh, maybe a little over a year after layla, got started in the boxing and stuff like that.
She realized yaya ain’t, the man he’s not the one but she’s.
She was still a great fighter and she still had a good career going.
So she dropped him and she married a football player.
I think conway.
His last name is conway and they’re still living happily ever after and they have children now and you know she’s she’s one of the success stories uh she got something out of women’s boxing.
Didn’T really put much, except for her name, her daddy name, but she got a lot out of it and um.
Like i said it’s, it’s a double-edged sword with women’s boxing.
You you find very few participants that are looking out for the greater good of the industry.
More so than just getting for themselves and and hopping out and my whole thing about, it is because if i, if i had made it um, it would be more about building the industry, because there’s longevity in building the industry right there’s now, once i get out The ring and i’m no longer fighting i if i’ve made added to the industry, there are other opportunities now that i can partake in and and and have the opportunity and and have the the ability to continue to make money and build a career in women’s boxing.
We don’t have that as yet.
We don’t have that so promoters that are doing right.
I mean that are um, giving to women’s boxing in the u.
s now so we’re starting off, and this is not in any particular order.
Okay, so we have golden boy promotions.
Oscar de la hoya, okay um and his partner uh richard schafer, now um once again that first wave of olympian olympic women from 2012 got signed.
It’S like whoa us women out here that we were already.
You know we were trying and we were trying to make money and we, you know we were um busting our ass, to put women’s boxing on the map.
They basically jumped way over our heads and was like forget: y’all y’all ain’t.
Nobody, these are the females.
These are the legitimate women that are gon na represent women’s boxing, which was a you know.
That was a cold slap in the face, especially the fact that how hard we worked and and and bled to keep the industry going.
So that’s what the way where the the men, these men, these promoters, are starting to take women’s boxing away from the women and and starting to control the industry where we are now.
Okay, so um oscar um, the golden boy signed marla, marlin, esparza right, so they were looking to make uh and they said it.
They were looking to make uh marlena esparza the um.
You know mainstream latina boxer out here, but guess what there was some.
Oh, there were already some bad ass latinas out here, kicking ass and we’ll and we’ll kick marlin as part uh marlene.
As far as ass, all up and down easy street right.
We we have um women like jackie nava out.
Here we have women like um the tigressa.
You know we have women out here, um that in their sleep will wipe the floor with marlin esparza, but marlin did right by you know herself by getting a bronze medal at the olympics, so she had lifted her pedigree from being just a fighter to now she’s An olympian who’s turning into a fighter and so marlene esparza, was supposed to be oscar and dams katie taylor, but she fell short because, like i said you got to have your big, your big girl, panties on when you turn pro it’s some goons, i mean not.
Goons there’s some crones out here that will that will turn you upside down in that ring.
If you’re not careful right, so they um they underestimated what was going on and and mara esparza now um she’s.
She can’t even bust a grape like she doesn’t even have the punching power to be that thing that they were trying to have her be, and it’s becoming more legitimate.
The the the grand scheme of things, the environment, now everybody’s stepping up so um marlene, couldn’t hold her her chair, her seat uh as that mainstream badass latina that they were trying to push so they signed also sinisia estrada.
Who does have that um moxie? She? She is that badass latina broad that can get in there with with the best of them.
I would love to see senecia fight, some of these um mexican crones down down there and and see what she really got um.
But you know that that’s for oscar and them to um, really um extend themselves and and care like eddie hearn is caring and and put on large shows where shinicia can fight these.
These legendary crones out there, like i said, uh, jackie, nava, um, barbie out there.
You know, then, and – and i know my fellow um female fighters – we call our – we call each other by the on by their nickname.
So i call they call me sugar or they gon na call me too bad they’re, not going to call me natalie right.
That was the thing.
That’S the thing about women’s boxing they’re, going to call you by your nickname, because that’s what you earned right.
So if i call if i, if i talk about barbie, everybody knows who barbie is right, i’m sorry, i i didn’t write the names down right right now, i’m just spitting off the dome.
You know what i’m saying so you know uh la tagrissa.
I the reason why i know jackie nava is because you know i i kind of like her whole name, so i remember that, but these are you know these are batty crones.
Now that i would love to see senecia get in the ring with um tony’s reviews comes estrada comes in with the superwoman cape she’s, a great fighter.
Yeah she’s got a good deal.
She she, she shows up, she’s a show woman and she shows up.
She can fight, and i like her – i just want to i it’s not enough for me to like your outfit.
I want to see what you can do.
I want to see you extend yourself.
I want to see you fight.
Shinicia estrada is on my pound for poundless as one of the best women out there right.
So i just want to see her fight the best out there.
I want to see what she does against these crones.
I want her to take that crown and and really be um that baddie that she is she’s still young she’s moving on into chrome uh.
You know she’s gon na be a crone one day, but you know we.
We have to know this that you know each day is a day where we’re slowly leaving the industry we’re slowly leaving the the floor for another baddie to come, and we can’t we cheapen ourselves.
When we don’t raise the standard we cheapen ourselves when we’re fighting tomato cans and then, when we’re out the game, nobody knows.
Oh, you fought this tomato.
Can you fought this body bag? No one’s saying? Oh [, __ ].
She fought her.
Sugar fought her damn.
Okay, sugar, [, __ ].
She beat sugar.
That means she bad as hell and by you know, and all of those things.
Oh, it was a close fight.
You know these are the things that build your value as a as a female fighter.
They’Re not getting that.
Yet um, but we have time um.
So yes, uh french on cruise is signed with uh de la hoya and france.
Cruz is now the um undisputed super middleweight champion yeah.
So she did she um.
She went up there and took all those belts that um, you know the clarissa and i think marshall they they they’re not in that anymore.
She she went high.
She went up in weight and there’s not really any.
I i don’t want to say this, but you know there she can there’s opposition that can step to france on.
I would love to see.
Like i said, i keep calling this fighter’s name raquel miller.
I would love to see her fight any of those women in that weight class.
She had a great amateur background, pedigree and she’s a good pro now 11-0.
I think, and there everyone’s conveniently uh, you know keeping her out the dance and i think that’s, i think.
That’S bull, crap right: this is this is a fight.
This is fighting.
This is not a pat.
This isn’t pageantry right, so if abroad has gotten to 11-0 and she’s earned um, those fights which raquel miller has um give her a shot, give her a shot right.
Even if you end up robbing her give her a shot um, so yes um, you know the de la hoya is known for collaborating with other boxers to put on these big promotions, and hopefully you know down in the future, women, the other female fighters from you Know marla, marlene, um, sinisia or franchon could co-promote um.
You know some of these shows now and put other women on with oscar de la hoya and golden boy to now make a platform for other female fighters for women’s boxing to make more money and to make money um we have bob aaron top rank okay, so Bob amaran uh can we go to the to the next slide.
I’M so sorry, i think the next one was golden boy who’s there.
I forgot that i have pictures yeah.
So that’s that’s! Oscar de la hoya, that’s gold! That’S the face of golden boy! Okay, so he he’s the one he’s uh.
He he’s doing good things for women’s boxing and giving us a platform on his on his big cards and and signing these fighters to to put on a show.
Let’S go on to the next uh image.
My lovely assistant, hello yeah, so this is bob aaron.
This is top rank, mr top rank.
He has been very vocal about the way he feels about women’s boxing.
He not like it.
He don’t like it, but he has always had a showpiece to show.
For the sake of saying, i’m i make my money in boxing so i’m gon na have i have men boxing i’ll.
Have a woman i’ll have a piece to show right, so um he’s been in the industry since 1966? Okay, so this man has been around um he his his show piece started with.
He signed lucia riker and i don’t know if y’all have been.
You know keen on women’s boxing long enough to know lucia.
Riker was one of the baddest women out there um.
I think there were some stuff going on with lucia, where some of these great matches that should have happened, never happened with her.
I don’t know if her heart pumps kool-aid that cherry kool-aid or she really has some issues with her management, but she never fought christy martin.
She never fought me a saint john.
She never fought any of these.
The the other women who were names and who were um out there.
You know chrissy martin’s face look like roast beef in one of her fights with the blood and everything, and i would have loved to see her and lucia riker go at it.
Um tony’s reviews lucia’s the greatest female to ever fight.
She was so good that they let her fight a man, kickboxer and undefeated champion yeah y’all know you know what that happened with that window.
This is the thing about um and thanks for chiming.
In with that one tony with women’s boxing, it was there was a time where we we were um, looked at as not being women.
So if you wanted to fight or if you were a badass woman fighter, oh automatically, you should fight a man.
Why? Why why fo wifo i got ta fight, a man if i’m a bad broad that can fight.
Why do you want to see me fight a man? No, i will fight a woman.
That’S what i do.
That’S why i’m a woman, i’m a badass woman and i want to fight another badass woman, so they put her because she was a good kickboxer.
They put her in the ring with this guy and you don’t do that.
You don’t do that right, because now you this man has got to defend his masculinity.
He got to defend his masculine ancestors.
He got to be defend the men of the earth.
He can’t let lucia riker um beat him and for sure what he did.
He knocked her ass smoove out.
Yes, he slumped lucia.
Riker slumped her.
I think they had to um carry her out the ring yeah.
He let it be known that listen, we won’t be doing any more of this lucia riker is a baddie, but she ain’t bad enough.
She ain’t too bad to get slumped by it by a dude.
So that’s what happened right and then i think after that i think that kind of ruined lucia, because once you get knocked knocked out like that, you get shell shocked, you get shell-shocked, whether it be male or female.
You don’t want that.
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The human body is wired that way, the these the memories come back and the trauma come back as if it’s still happening.
Why, like i always revert back to me, i’m sorry y’all, because i’m me i can only speak for my experiences, but not many of my not many of the people that i fought continued to fight after i fought them.
Why? Because i was designed to ruin fighters.
I was designed to knock a fighter out and if i didn’t knock them out, i was going to beat them so badly that they were afraid they were afraid to get in there round by round right.
So um somebody, even someone messaged me the other day about.
I mean it, i had you know that i was the first me and fujian riker fought and we were the i mean fujin, goodness, not riker um reika fujian reika.
We fought um and we were the first women bout in gym in japan at karakuren hall right.
So i made history in japan with fujin and um.
I would hit her in that fight that she was eating.
She would i would, but what sugar was doing? Was sugar didn’t go in there to knock her out? Sugar was going in there to show the people of japan and to show the world that women are skilled fighters.
So after six rounds they said fujin won the fight and i’m thinking in the corner when they said that when they raised her hand and said that she had won the fight, i’m thinking, i should have knocked that [ __ ] out.
But it is what it is.
You know that that’s it that’s history right so um, someone messaged me the other day and they were saying that fuji and rika ain’t doing so.
Well, because when you leave, when you box, you have to understand that you win when you leave with your faculties, when you leave with your brain intact, when you can speak a full sentence, when you can remember your name when you can still function and apparently fujin Is over there and and she’s that she can’t like she’s not doing well, she can’t she she’s got um, you know um her.
Her brain has been um affected by the the trauma in fighting uh opposition such as myself, um.
I i wasn’t the first.
The only one to damage rika she’s fought some serious um contention out there and and she um on a honorable mention for her because she didn’t she didn’t fight nobody easy right.
She got she, she got some ease.
She got some decisions that she shouldn’t have got, but she by no means fought anybody easy um, but i digress back to what we were talking about.
So lucia riker um was bob aaron’s first piece: she didn’t fight.
She then fight who she should have tony comes in, and he says she’s the greatest female to ever fight.
Prove it because she ain’t fought.
Nobody lucia reichert, hasn’t she’s a great fighter, but she had not fought the opposition for me to call her the greatest right.
When we call when we say a fighter is a great sugar, ray robinson is the greatest fighter to ever live and sugar ray robinson fought everybody.
You cannot say that sugar ray robinson dodged or did not fight great opposition, um tony’s reviews.
That’S a great achievement to be the first to fight in japan, uh yeah.
You know thank you for that uh, but i i it it’s bittersweet, because i shoulda i shouldn’t, beat her but um that i guess that wasn’t a part of the story for me, but it was great.
The the people of japan love women boxing.
They love sugar.
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