Should women have 3-minute rounds? | Knuckle Up with Mike Orr | Talkin Fight
EPISODE: Episode 17
“The World Boxing Council (WBC) argues against three-minute rounds for women, citing sources including the UCLA School of Medicine about the propensity for women to suffer a higher percentage of concussions – the so-called “pink concussion.” The statistics were debunked in a superb 2018 article in The Ringer. The numbers and opinions cited don’t seem to exist. If there’s a real concern, let’s fund some studies with transparency in mind” – NYFIGHTS
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[, Music, ], hello, boxing fans around the world.
Thank you for joining us once again here on female friday on knuckle up featuring mike orr at four.
You want a special one today, yeah we do.
We do well, first of all because because cody crawley was unable to make it today called me nice and early this morning to reschedule has been moved up to this time right now, so, unfortunately, sparring unboxing becomes before the interview.
So you know without training.
There is no boxer without no boxer, there is no interview so done so that being said, because we did female thursday.
Yes, i figured this female friday uh.
We talk about um, some, some things that are going on around in the boxing world that you know have come up and uh.
It’S should women have three-minute rounds in boxing.
You know the men have it in championship rounds uh.
You know it’s three minutes 12 rounds.
The women uh the women feel like they’re getting the short end of the stick.
There uh a lot of them feel that uh it would benefit the sport.
You know boosting fan base uh allowing for for actual knockouts to happen in some of these fights um.
You know maybe more money, um lot lots of things, but there are some naysayers.
There are some definite naysayers, but if you want to argue against human beings being engaged in combat sports overall out of principle uh in respect to this, let’s be real um against women.
Fighting three-minute rounds and women in combat sports in general people weren’t having it at all up until 2012, really like letting girls.
Sorry, not girls, letting women fight in the olympics as boxers, which was ridiculous, because we’ve already had women fighting an mma, and this is another thing already in mma man.
The women fight five minute rounds the same as the men.
So what is the difference? What is the difference really why why why are people against this? Why are they not giving them the exact the exact things that they want? Man, uh clarissa shields is big time big time behind this uh a lot of the other highly decorated female boxers out there.
Also behind this, the world boxing council argues against freeman around her women citing sort of sources, including the ucla ucla school of medicine, about the propensity for women to suffer a higher percentage of concussions, the so-called pink concussion uh.
The statistics were debunked in a superb 2018 article in the ringer you guys can go check that out uh the number of opinions cited don’t seem to exist if there was real concern, let’s fund some real studies and find out what’s going on.
Of course, the concussion risk in boxing is determined by a large part of the dangerous effects of dehydration caused by weight.
Cutting the male human body is 60.
Women are about 55, the brain is 73 and it sits within a skull protected by fluids that provide shock absorption and facilitates brain function.
So realistically it has nothing to do with gender.
So what the hell is the problem here, why? Why are these people not allowing women to have what they want and have that equal opportunity that the men are having in boxing today? That is, that is what i would like to know, and you know what for all the people watching out there comment, please let me know your concerns.
What do you think do you think women should be? You know, have these three-minute rounds? Do you believe they shouldn’t have these three-minute rounds because, honestly, some of these women men you’re, watching these ten round championship, fights and they’re only two minutes.
You feel like you’re getting ripped off, because these women have a lot more to offer.
That’S what i believe you know.
Graham we’ve watched it numerous numerous times on these fights over and over again, and you know prime example uh ebony bridges, shannon courtney, they were banging it out, man, those those rounds, could have been three minutes easily in a fight like that, clarissa shields, her last fight Man when she took when she when she became the goat same thing, all these women are looking for equal opportunity, and you know there are people that just aren’t willing to give it.
Man, uh lou dibella, another one who’s against it, um, i’m surprised because he does have a lot of women on his roster but um.
You know: shannon courtney insist that female boxers would get more knockouts if they were allowed to box three minute rounds.
Uh, the wbc president believes that two minute rounds is for the safety of the women uh.
The biggest fight in women boxing is over a minute.
That is the most ridiculous thing i’ve ever heard in my life one minute.
This is the biggest argument in women’s boxing and you know what it was.
It was in the headlines.
It was talked about and now all of a sudden, it’s just disappeared again and uh, and just like, like a fart in the wind man, it’s gone.
It’S just gone and uh people just like they’re, not touching on the subject anymore.
Man and i want to bring it back up, because i believe that women should get these equal opportunities, and you know what there should be.
No reason why they’re they’re fighting in their championship matches with you know two minute rounds rather than three minute rounds.
When you know these women are training the same way you know as hard and, if not harder than some of these men um.
That’S the problem, it’s a big problem and you know what i want to hear what you guys have to think.
I want to hear what you guys think about this, so guys hit me up with those comments.
Man, let me know what you believe.
Let me know if you’re, nay or yay, just let us know man we want to know.
We want to help this movement move.
Women should have three minute rounds.
There should be no discrimination because they are women.
They are built just like us.
I just gave you some little statistics.
We know we’re full of water man.
We’Re meant to take these punches so guys it’s not about them being just women.
It’S dehydration, if they’re cutting weight wrong and they’re dehydrating themselves to the point, that’s where the damage comes from.
There’S probably been three about roughly about 355 or so deaths since uh the 1800s when they brought in that uh.
You know what i wish i i wish i could remember the damn the queen’s queensboro.
Thank you graham.
I knew i knew.
I knew you were just you were something else other than just good looks.
But yes, there’s been roughly about 350 deaths in in the ring since then or like in the results not in the ring, but as a result of being in the ring.
You know what so realistically two minute rounds three minute rounds.
It doesn’t really make a difference.
Man, you know what it might build.
This fan base for these women to be able to see these women fight in these big.
You know big batches that are three minute rounds.
These women can fight it man, we know they can half of them.
Don’T even look tired when they’re done, you know we’re just we’re not giving them the equal opportunity to put on the show that we know they can put on to entertain us.
You know what i think it is.
Maybe the men are afraid.
Maybe maybe the women are going to show them up if we give them that extra minute, hey? Who knows who knows, but you will never hear me, stop talking about this for sure women need three minute rounds, so we should give it to the men wbc get off your ass man get your head out of the clouds.
You know what don’t argue with it.
Don’T don’t don’t steamroll it over, don’t push it out of the headlines, just listen to what we have to say here.
Man give us what we want: give the women what they want, which is equal opportunity and a chance to make money and really build women’s boxing.
So that we can stop calling it women’s boxing, you heard it here, let’s bike or at four for female friday.
Graham, what do you think three minute rounds? I would first like to say, though, that uh in defense of organizational changes, we did see a reduction from 15 rounds to 12 rounds to provide a more quality level of entertainment within that time span.
Okay, i don’t think it was done for safety reasons or health reasons.
I think it was done to create uh a more fighting, uh environment, a better fighting environment.
So i would, i might uh counter propose – and you have three hours to think about before we meet each other again on the panel.
Yes, uh, then in fact, we reduce men’s fighting rounds to two minutes right because the the argument is is they will go after each other, a lot quicker and a lot harder within those two minutes, as opposed to doing the dance feeling each other out.
You know waiting until the sixth round that kind of crap that we hear all the time you know i i like the mike tyson kind of style going there quick, knock them out leave.
I do i do i do, but when you’re watching these uh, you know smaller weight divisions where the knockouts aren’t so so often um, it’s nice to see a long round with great technical boxing.
You know back foot boxing off off that back foot playing the counter game and you know what, in these, in these smaller, smaller weight classes, you’re not going to see the knockouts all the time.
So you definitely want to see a show.
But you know what i’d rather see the show for three minutes than a show for two minutes got my money’s worth well.
Okay, if you wan na the other argument too, then is uh.
As i read off like the daily news right.
I i see all the time uh four round about six roundabouts, eight roundabouts – so not all bouts – are equal in this, whether it’s men or women, quite frankly, um.
So why are? Why are some fighters getting four round bouts? Why are you know what i mean like? Who determines this um? Well, you know what i you know, i’m not too sure who determines this, but i know that there were certain boxers that in their contracts, um someone like butterbean, for instance, who you know, was a complete giant round.
Man that looked like king hippo for mike tyson’s punch-out um, you know great great great great barber, parlor great boxer knocks people out, but it’s in his it’s in his contract man.
He doesn’t fight more than four rounds because he can’t go any more than that, but you know it’s it’s it’s an it’s it’s i i believe that women are being paid less because they’re not working as hard and that’s what it looks like you know.
It looks like they’re not working as hard, because they’re not fighting as much uh.
You know female boss boxers, especially chris clarissa shields right, have been asking for promotional brands and event organizers for a long time to extend the duration of each round and bring women’s boxing equivalent to men’s in every aspect.
But still yet it hasn’t.
It hasn’t been heard and they have a good reason for this demand.
Not only female boxers can last 12 rounds, but they can also make more money with each round of three minutes.
So you know here it is again you guys are fighting two minutes in these championship matches with 10 rounds.
The men are fighting three minutes or 12 rounds, uh, there’s no equal pay there right and we’re trying to we’re trying to bring we’re trying to bring it across the board and equal equal opportunity for these fighters because they’re all fighters at the end of the day.
It’S not just their male, it’s not just their female they’re fighters.
They’Re prized fighters they’re doing this for money.
You know what we got to give them every opportunity to be able to make money and if they’re, making less money because they’re fighting less time.
Why don’t we just give them the time that they ask for and let let the women do, what they can do and that’s box at the end of the day? That’S what we’re here for to see boxing um the bigger the fight duration, the more they have to execute great knockouts or finish off the fight and stop um with the likes of top ranks boss, bob abraham in favor, he’s in favor of three-minute rounds for women’s Boxing, so it seems like the extension might be around the corner, but only time will tell so guys watch him.
Thank you for tuning in to this fantastic female friday.
Uh drop us some comments.
Let us know what you think about the two or three minute round argument.
If you are nay or may but um yes, we will definitely get back to you.
We’Ll definitely touch on this topic again um.
I may bring this up uh tonight on the panel.
I think we should, i think we should bring this.
This is a nice topic for discussion on the panel.
We’Ll definitely bring it up tonight so guys, thanks for tuning in, unfortunately, we didn’t have no cody crawley, we’ll get him in next week.
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