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EPISODE: Episode 3
Discussing the great sport of boxing from the Stafford Boxing Club in Atlanta.
Hosted by Sheila Stafford and her husband, this is a weekly show that usually features a special guest and helps to promote boxing locally, especially women who are taking up the sport, and touches on many topics.
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[, Music, ], hello and welcome to the stafford boxing report: i’m sheila, i’m s-t-a-f-f-o-r-d yeah! You know! That’S me stafford boxing, the making of champions – hey hello, everybody glad that everybody’s here, yes, sir! So what are we talking about today? Man? We talking a lot today and um.
First of all, i want to thank everyone for tuning in live and for those that’s going to be able to watch after the live broadcast and um.
I’M just excited for this day this opportunity to talk about some boxing and talk about life.
What you got going on queen sheila! Well, first, i’m going to let everybody know that i’m going to make sure that i check the comments and answer any questions and read out all comments.
So i’m going to do better with that, because i said the last time i was really slipping, so we are going to speak a little bit about isaac, cruz, oh yeah, i had to say his name like that isaac cruz yeah, he’s he’s my he.
I have to actually say watching him and then his personality yeah, and then we were talking about my husband and i were talking about how humble he is, and one of the things that i do like about him is that he keeps his personal life personal away From the media – and that really just shows respect that he has for his family and we have somebody here and i hope i’m pronouncing your name right.
Let me spell it first: a-d-a-r-i-e pennant adria pennant can a heavyweight boxing be popular like nfl and nba, or baseball in america if it was pushed properly? Yes, absolutely 100 percent, but baby.
I want to go back to isaac cruz and then we’ll go back to that.
To the question and go a little bit more into depth about that but yeah i i said why, like oh and isaac cruz, the way he fights is very exciting.
It seems like when he is up on his opponent.
It’S you can see him think, because his punches are powerful and precise and his combinations, his combos, and when he is up on you, he does not want to stop.
Is it fair to say that when we watch uh isaac cruz that you can see some of the peekaboo of boxing style? Yes, and when my husband had mentioned that i was looking even more closer to his fight with his fighting style and yes right.
He stuck in and the things that i like or head was slipping, but he likes those body blows.
That’S one thing his body blows and an uppercut.
You know the other thing that i like about isaac cruz.
Is that he not only is he fighting for his wife, his children, his father, who is his trainer, but he’s also fighting for his his country? And that’s the thing that i see between uh, the hispanic community and the african-american community, the african-american community, when they fight they fight for their mother.
Their you know, their spouse, their kids, uh and belts, because you had talked about belts, is something that they use to validate, but when hispanic fighters and other fighters across the world they fight for their country.
So that to me is a little more, a little bit more incentive for them to really give it all when they go into the boxing ring.
What you think? No, i totally agree with you.
You can tell because when we were talking earlier, when they come to the united states and they fight their neighbors, their family and everybody else who they may or may not know they come they support and support and they’re there so they’re a big part of that.
Yes, and, and that’s one of the reason why uh bob abram is channeling his energy and focus to the hispanic community, because at the end of the day, as a boxing promoter, your objective is to put people in the seats and the hispanic community.
Fighting is something that they truly support.
Also, the the african community, like in south africa, north africa, east africa, that community ukraine uh unite london, all those other countries, and so i think that what we would like to do through the stafford boxing club is to make boxing somewhat popular in the african-american community And hope that it would be a vehicle to encourage and invite you know those that are in urban communities to come out and support our local talent.
It’S very important.
That’S one of the things that i see in our community compared to other communities in terms of the support and the boxers, and it’s like the boxes from um, let’s say mexico and africa.
They they use any and every obstacle as motivation.
They may not have the luxury that we have in the us, but man, you see them training in inhumane conditions.
I’Ve never seen a group of people train under the highway.
Like i did when i was watching the fighters train in nigeria, i mean it was literally under the highway baby and i was like man, that’s passion, that’s determination, that’s something that they’re saying there is no excuse.
That’S going to get in my way for me accomplishing my goals to be the a heavyweight champion, so when they fight you know they fighting for a purpose.
You know i mean not only to get their family about those situations but they’re fighting for a purpose, and i think that’s very important that our community understands and then to go off of what you were saying that in africa they do use whatever resources they have.
Like one time when we were watching someone practice, they were punching tires tires.
I was punching tires, like i mean like just putting in work.
As a matter of fact, we got a couple of fighters up in nigeria that been reaching out to us and hopefully baby one day, we’re gon na get them on the uh.
The show to give you some exposure, like graham, was talking about he said.
The only thing that is missing is exposure, and so with with technology.
Hopefully we can incorporate that into those communities so that they can, you know, see the talent in africa, because there is a lot of talent and you have you ever seen the sport where they they rap, they they wrap one hand and they use one hand yeah.
I saw it yeah, they were watching it, and so it was like a whole lot of people coming out to support that, and i’m talking about it was like thousands and thousands of people coming out so combat sport is very popular in africa and i really think That we should be able to you, know tap into their market by providing the necessary technology, that’s necessary, so they can get exposure.
I mean, i see a lot of economic growth opportunity in africa.
That is true, and also when you were talking about when they were just using their one hand, did you see the one where they had the tire and then they had the one foot in oh yeah, and then they were just using that one hand too.
So, and also how they’re training, whether it’s on granite cement or just the dirt, that also helps with balance, because some of the boxers also used to um train in a gym, so that actually helped with their balance.
Just real quick, vinnie oil b, pitbull cruz, a knockout artist for sure and yes and then we were talking about which, what are you about to say, i’m about to say about the fight with him and devonta? Oh yeah, baby.
Listen now, devonte.
We i mean isaac cruz, i mean because that dude right there is serious, and you know if the division is going to become competitive fight, the top the top people fight the top people.
You know what i mean like you know.
If you in the top 10, the number one fight, number 10, number, two fight, number, nine number, three, eight and so forth and so forth, and so, like you know, just to make it competitive, but isaac cruz.
Man he’s serious and we are a big fan of his man he’s so humble he’s, respectful he’s professional man and you know, even when um devonta davis gave him javonte davis gave him an opportunity to fight uh.
He went to jovante and said man.
Thank you.
So much for the opportunity to fight and as a result of him, giving that opportunity in the way he displayed professionalism, he had an opportunity to get on the card.
The recent card that uh, when devonta davis had to fight with uh santa santa cruz, no you’re, not talking about that one.
No i’m telling myself.
I forgot to do rolly the dude, oh yeah, yeah rolling, yeah and he was and the one that was making all those little smart comments.
Oh okay, but excuse me, but but but uh isaac cruz was on that fighting card.
You know what i mean so that just to show that having professionalism is very important, because when you demonstrate a level of humility, humility comes before the promotion.
Pride comes before the fall.
I think every fighter should understand that.
I think that every human being should understand that, whether you box it at night, not humility, comes before the promotion.
Pride comes before the fall.
That is true, and that reminds me of muhammad ali, because muhammad ali was a man of integrity inside of the boxing ring within the boxing industry and society outside in the community, and he stood up for what he believed in.
Maybe you want to talk about the muhammad ali act, oh yeah! That’S why senator john mccain rest in peace, senator john, who was also a former boxer himself, named the muhammad ali boxing reform act after muhammad ali, because he wanted to bring that integrity to the boxing industry.
And so i don’t re-repeat what i just said.
But it’s because of what muhammad ali stood for in his character and integrity.
So they did that and that was actually created to reform unfair and anti-competitive practices within the boxing industry.
So it would protect the boxers from the promoters because, unfortunately, the promoters were making had secret contracts under the table.
Deals yes, and also they were had um agreements with the management of the boxer, so it was like they were going crossing over the line.
So with the ali act, there’s no more of that they’re they’re separate, so they’re keeping it away from each other.
Can i ask you a question besides, besides how? How do you feel the muhammad ali act is reveling today, because i’m gon na be honest with you? Sheila, i didn’t – i never heard about that until you were doing your research and you and i began to talk, and you brought that to my attention and you – and i know how important muhammad ali is to the boxing community, but he’s also important to the african-american Community what he stood for as a black man in this country, so now that he has gone on to be with the lord.
How do you think his legacy as it pertains to this legislative uh act in congress that they approve? How does it really affect the african-american community? Well, the african-american community should actually look into this reform act because boxes no just boxers and just trainers, just just just everyone, because of once again what he stood for.
He sacrificed himself and then his family also supported him, because he wasn’t making the money because of what he believed in so within the african community.
That means that we should all be coming together.
We should all be um.
What’S the word that i want to say to encourage the youth, the at-risk youth, that’s what we really need to do, instead of just being separate, we should be coming together, like my husband said when the hispanic community comes to the united states, travels from where they Are to the united states to support one of their own? That’S what we need to start doing, whether it’s within the boxing industry or out of the boxing industry.
Everybody plays a part, that’s how that’s how things work, and you know what baby muhammad ali was an amazing human being and for for congress united states congress to put a bill into your name in order for a bill to get approved, it must go through the U.
S house of representatives and the united states senators right, and i think that it is so appropriate for a man of that magnitude to have a law um to make sure that the fighters are compensated and not taken advantage of, whereas the managers and promoters promoters are Predatorial boxing um bit practices business box, business boxing business practices.
Excuse me bbb for real, and i you know like over the weekend shout out to rick glaser.
He called out don team yeah thanks.
He called out don king for mismanagement of fiduciary means to a fighter who deserved his prize from fighting a fight, and it’s it’s very disappointing sheila.
I must say when i hear don king in in some type of controversy, about not paying the fighters.
I mean that was the big issue between mike tyson.
You know that don king, you know misappropriated some funds or whatever, but i mean here it is like he had a great reign in the 80s right, it’s 2022 and you still hearing negativity about his his character and that’s why we believe that customato is such an Icon to us, because of his character, what he stood for and if i may say sheila, i know that a lot of people in our community would say well he’s campaigning for a white man right yeah.
But it’s not him being a white man that i’m campaigning and is inspired by i’m inspired by his legacy during that time, when customato was alive when he would travel with his fighters and get interior just thinking about it like he would stand up for his fighters When they couldn’t go through the front door, there were um business establishments that didn’t allow black people to come into the building period, so they would have to sleep out in the bus and cuss would sleep out there with them.
He could go into the hotel rooms.
I mean in the hotels and sleep him and camille, but he stood for a purpose and and to me for a man, a white man to stand up for black kids during that time.
It said a lot about him like he didn’t care and that’s why me and sheila have so much admiration for custom model.
I mean he was taking kids off the slums, the ghetto of new york brooklyn, i mean he was putting them in a in in his personal 14 bedroom mansion, some of the kids.
He ain’t even know, and i’m looking at this and i’m like man like so with the stafford boxing club.
That’S what that’s that’s what this is about.
This is about reaching back to those at-risk youth in the black community and in instilling them discipline, structure, self-esteem, confidence, financial literacy, the importance of education mannerism, all our kids, yes, sir, no sir, yes, ma’am and no ma’am.
That’S how we running our ship.
We stand on principles, we stand on the bible, that’s just what we believe.
We believe what we believe, because it worked for us, and it has gotten us to this point.
So we love custom motto for real, that’s no cappuccino and sheila, and i hope that one day when we go on to be with the lord that someone will be inspired by our legacy by what we contributed.
What about what we stood for in the community? Just like cuss did because the scripture said that one generation is supposed to leave an inheritance for the next generation and that’s how you grow and mature as a people and, if i may say this sheila with all due respect.
I got you all in the comments.
Give me a moment: man shout out to the jewish community man.
I mean that man like man.
I i really appreciate y’all’s support man like man.
I really do.
I really do man, i i appreciate the community, the jewish community.
I really do man, it’s very humbling.
It’S very humbling that that the jewish community would embrace a black man and a black woman, husband and wife for cause like this, and i was i was watching this show well.
I was watching a video of the prime minister from ethiopia and he was speaking in their language, but there was an english trans translation and in that translation he said when the civil rights act was passed by congress.
Jewish people and the african-american people were in the same predicament.
The difference is that the jewish community.
They took that opportunity and created wealth.
They they empowered themselves with positions in different industries.
They [ Music ] collaborated their resources and supported where the jewish community has a strong hold on corporate america in the united states, then the prime minister from ethiopia said african americans you’re free, but you’re poor, and i looked at and when he said it.
I was like man like i got to thinking and i’m trying to look and i’m thinking about it in our community and i’m saying to myself like the only thing i see that we do is kill each other.
So do i fault the prime minister from ethiopia saying that no he called her like it is, and so by the grace of god.
I hope that me and sheila can make a change in our community and that the community will support the staff for boxing club.
Not because it’s me and sheila, my last name is stafford because we’re using it as a vehicle to to go to at-risk youth, it seemed like our youth is more so um involved with their sexual identity instead of their intellectual and educational identity.
When i look at the history of african-american like our ancestors, they were some solid folks.
They were well-educated and dressed well and today.
I just think that everybody want to be a rapper.
Everybody want to entertain and all that, but we don’t have no power.
That’S still like being a slave, in my, in my humble opinion, all the money that has gone through the churches, the black churches, the the entertainers, the athletes and we still don’t own nothing.
Man still don’t own nothing.
We we have this crab in the bucket mentality.
We don’t you know, i hurt you.
I do that all that type of energy that you got towards another black person.
How come you don’t use that energy towards your dreams? How come you? Don’T you don’t say it’s more black women in college than it is black men? You don’t want to discipline yourself, so boxing is a way that we can use to attract these youth and and teach them about that.
Aggressive behavior, like hey manny white folks, will give you alphabet.
No cap they’ll get your alphabet, they give you 100 years, they give you 100 years and that’s not what our ancestors, you know, uh fought and died for.
As a matter of fact, i feel, in my humble opinion, that our ancestors should have the opportunity to have the freedom that we have today and we deserve to be in shackles, because we just don’t do anything with our freedom.
We talk about each other.
We we we don’t encourage each other, everybody thinks that they better and we don’t own nothing.
We don’t own, nothing, nothing.
He said it all.
He didn’t have anything to say he said it all you just you know what i mean and, like that’s.
Why, when i heard about don king and i’m like bro, come on bro, you bro you’ve been blessed with the opportunity to have your name mentioned across the world and, yes, you giving fighters an opportunity to fight, but as a promoter and manager you making millions and Millions of dollars glazes said that it was what a billion dollars been passed through him and mike tyson, and you still with this, this buffalo bread like you’re, making it bad for the next person that comes that’s coming after you you’re, making it bad bro you making It you you’re, making it bad bro you’re, making it bad.
I mean you should be ashamed like at some point.
A man that went to prison got an opportunity to promote at the highest level, one of the most famous boxers of of all time, and you still with this buffalo bruh and – and i salute rick glazer for calling you out.
He say y’all partners and everything, but wrong is wrong and right is right and that’s why i i really like these jewish folk man they’ll help you man for real, and i really appreciate because i’m gon na be honest with you.
Man we’ve been man, we’ve been having problems with the negroes man.
You know what i mean like you’re, not professional, keep your word man, that’s the thing that i admire about the jewish community.
Man they word is they born bruh? Oh shout out to uh russell yeah russell peltz man.
Listen! Let me tell you about him russell peltz.
He is not savvy when it comes to technology, but man he went above and beyond to make sure that he was there for my wife in the midst of his wife, going through a cataract surgery.
He wanted to make himself available to be on the staff of boxing, and i ain’t going to call you black folks out who who acted real fraud and was plexing because of me and my wife got the podcast show and we invited you and you don’t even Call back bro and you not and then the crazy part about it is you only have no power.
None of y’all have no power all the power anyway, so you know shout out to russell pelosi and his wife and his wife and then, when my wife was at georgia state what was it last year and you call them out the blue.
Who are you talking about russell yeah, russell peltz, yeah that no, that that was sophomore year yeah? That’S! When i first started sophomore year my wife called russell peltz.
Well, i emailed him.
He emailed him said: hey, listen, i’m taking a journalism class at georgia state university.
I wanted to interview you et cetera, et cetera, et cetera man.
I swear.
It seems like five minutes three minutes.
Five minutes left five minutes late and didn’t even know me didn’t even know my wife didn’t even know my wife extended himself.
Then he let my wife know after the interview texas said, if you need anything, i’m telling my contracts whatever just give me a call jackie callum, oh yeah, she’s amazing, i mean i mean i mean jackie calling is, is a icon in the boxing industry, the first Lady of boxing, you know what i’m saying reached out to her: oh yeah sure whoa.
She was uh james, tony uh manager.
You get what i’m saying and, like i don’t understand at the end, james failed man.
We can’t forget him.
Oh, we can’t forget him.
Celebrity boxing is, is real, i mean some people may see like it’s a joke or whatever, but at the same time, what he’s done is carve a piece in the boxing industry of of marketing opportunity.
You know what i’m saying shout out to them: paw boys, logan and uh jake, paul yeah, like for real, like you know what i’m saying like they bring in a different element to the boxing industry, bringing exposure because at one point of time boxing wasn’t real.
It was going down, mma was like coming up and them boys they using technology, call them youtubers or whatever you want to do but say about them boys, but they bringing that bread.
They bringing fans to the sport of boxing.
You get what i’m saying and – and i really got a lot of respect for them, boys and um.
What’S what’s that’s my boy name, um uh, rick, glazer man? We just had him on the show man and man.
He was like yo man, and these are bosses.
Bro these are bosses and we’re not going to even i’m the type of person, i’m not even going to say nothing about nobody.
You get what i’m saying, because i heard a saying one time i was attending the conference and the lady said be careful of the toes that you step on today, because the toes that you step on today may be to ask you kids tomorrow, and that is No cappuccino, let me read the comments so scrapbook boxing good afternoon sheila and your well-supported husband.
I always enjoy your program.
Thank you, scrapbook boxing, exactly right, scrapbook boxing, absolutely right brother, because i had a gym called grammy’s gym on 14th street in new york in manhattan.
14Th street new york city and then scrapbook uh scrapbook box and says i’m proud of you all as a couple.
It’S inspiring, you are speaking all facts, mr stafford and then scrapbook boxing put the prayer.
Please, sir.
It’S very humbling, but just call me stafford.
I i you know, i’m just just a humble guy.
I really appreciate the acknowledgement but baby, let’s get to um yeah yeah, who no, i didn’t even finish with the the promoters, because she said you were talking about don king okay, finish with with the with the reform act.
So also the contract has to be mutual, and it has to specify the minimum number of fights per year that the boxer actually has to do, and the one that i really really like too, is the fact that um they’re, not the boxers, aren’t made to hire The promoters, family and friends and their business partners, because once upon a time they had to do that.
So that’s like a conflict of interest and what they were also doing was, which they don’t have to do anymore, is that the promoters were actually taking a percentage of the boxing expenses which would actually breach the boxers contract.
So that’s one of the things too.
The other thing was protecting the boxers from the sanctioning organizations, because, once upon a time, the managers, the boxers and promoters would give them hidden payment, which would be gifts and fees which was over what the fees, the promoters and the managers already had to pay.
So they were giving them that also it’ll protect the boxers from the sanctioning organizations from the way that the they do their ratings.
Because that’s where the mismatch fights happen, because one boxer’s rating might be high and he’ll be skillful.
But then another boxer is not as skillful as that boxer.
So that’s how the mismatch fights would happen so when they do that, they now have to report it to the ftc, which is the federal trade commission, any time that they change the boxers ratings.
They have to report that um.
They also have to report any of the officials who voted on the ratings of the boxers.
They also have to report that as well.
So it’s no more of that because, as we know, boxing is still has some corruption within it.
But decades ago they really had some serious corruptions, such as fixed fights, bribing and referees, and the judges, even with the um timing like the the the timer, might malfunction, so the referee’s decision would totally be off.
Oh, is it fair to say that’s why the muhammad ali act is important yeah? Because it’s really it’s really supposed to protect the boxers, because, if you think of it, this way boxers really need to have lawyers and the reason, because the reason why they need to have lawyers is because of the way that the contract may be written in a Language, where some people might not even understand it like i’ve, actually read a contract that top rank had, and i had to read it over twice and this was for a woman’s contract.
I read it and top rank was straight pimpin.
These women don’t get me wrong.
Yes, they were grateful for having an opportunity, because that was their passion, that’s what they wanted to do and that’s what they had to do to make a living.
So it’ll be what like four thousand seven thousand dollars but payment for the networking.
So it works that advertise the fights or anything marketing all that none of that went to the fighters they just had like.
It was almost like a down payment.
Here’S four thousand dollars: that’s all you’re, going to get everything else, but everything else is top ranked well.
Baby, you got to understand that bob abram is a lawyer by trade, he’s a tax lawyer and that’s and yeah, and i understand that, but boxers really need to have lawyers because of the language and not everybody reads thoroughly.
You always have to read the fine print.
You know that small little writing that we like to just skip over, because it’s just so small and we may think that’s a waste of time.
That’S one of the reasons why you get god, because i think they purposely put that small writing there, because they know everybody’s not going to take the time and then when they have a lot of papers in the contract.
I’M just talking period like if you have a contract, whether if you’re getting department house, they got all these papers and they know that people are really not going to read it because they’re going to be like overwhelmed.
I don’t even want to read all this.
I’M just going to go ahead and sign in, and just do that so boxers get lawyers in addition to their managers.
Yes and the managers.
You need to do your boxers right.
This is the thing that i don’t understand.
What’S up with all the greediness, i really don’t get it i’m always talking about when you are given an opportunity when you’re given an opportunity, you want to do the right thing, because it’s not all about you.
It’S about those that are with you, those that are watching and those that are going to be coming after you.
These boxers put wait a minute.
These boxers go through.
So much personally, you don’t know what they’re going through.
It might be this one fighter that the family is seriously depending on for them to get the money, not because they’re lazy, but we just don’t know what’s going on so then you want to take money or you want to have pay or you want to pimp.
Somebody because you don’t want to give them what’s rightfully theirs.
Look, you all don’t know and i’m not trying to sell us and i’m not we’re not the type of people that try to get everybody hyped like politicians and tell you one thing and then turn around and do the total opposite.
That’S not us! This is just the passion that you’re hearing from us and the way that we live our lives, which is honestly, do boxers and do people right pay what people pay the value of whether it’s your employees or your boxers.
All of you all can make money.
If you do the right thing, just put the work in i’ve already said that you all should, of course.
Yes, the boxer can market themselves, but that shouldn’t be their main priority, trying to get on all social media platforms and put certain things out.
There no hire somebody to market your boxers, there’s plenty of people, that’s just graduated from college and that’s what they do and that’s exactly what they do, because that’s what i learned to do get your mind right, stop being greedy, stop taking advantage and also to all The promoters don’t think just because you have been getting away with what you’ve been getting away with for so long.
Don’T think that things just don’t come to a halt.
Everything is going to come to an end.
Hmm because now you’ve got real cocky greedy, stop it! How you feeling yourself? Okay, because i want people to be done right when they put the work in, because i know how it is.
That’S what customers to not get paid for something that you deserve.
Something that i deserved and i worked hard and did went over and above what i was supposed to do, because that’s just the type of person that i am.
But if i may say say it please, at the end of the day it’s about the bottom line.
It’S about when you promoting the sport of boxing it’s about entertaining the people yeah to make sure that they getting a good product.
So with that being said, it comes down to whether or not the boxer put in the work.
A lot of boxers want the fame.
They want the fortune, but they’re not willing to put in the work.
That’S true and like rick glaser was talking a couple of weeks ago.
He said the difference between the fighters of back then, and now is that they sweet he man.
You know what i mean like you’re, not mentally strong.
You don’t have the discipline with all the distraction.
How do you expect to be a champion? How do you expect for a promoter to market you when you don’t want to be disciplined and avoid certain situations? If you put in the work and discipline yourself, eventually you’re going to get to that point, if you’re in the, if you’re in the back of the line and you keep working eventually gon na get the front of the line, the first should be last and the Last should be first there’s no cap, scrapbook boxing, i like that scrapbook boxing, 1952 archie moore was paid 800.
and joey maxim was paid.
One hundred thousand is that one hundred to fight in a world championship fight manager, jack kearns, was both manager and promoter.
Ali axe stops that you’re absolutely right because it actually separates it too.
For so so look i have this story from the bible.
Everybody should be familiar with it because they always play it a few days before easter and then they play it on easter sunday.
So it’s about moses, moses mother was a hebrew woman and during that time the king of egypt had instructed the midwives that any hubert woman that gave birth.
If it was a boy, then they’re supposed to kill him.
The reason why he said that was because the hebrews were multiplying so fast.
It was so many of them and they were concerned that the hebrews would actually overtake them and overpower them.
So, okay, so anywho his mother hit him put him in a basket in the nile river and his sister just watched over him.
So pharaoh’s daughter found him.
She raised him as her own, so moses one day was out and he saw an egyptian mistreat a hebrew.
Now the hebrews at that time in egypt they were slaves, so moses ended up killing the egyptian.
He then saw and heard two hebrews fighting and talking so moses asked him.
Why are you mistreating your brother? Well, the hebrew said: are you going to do the same thing that you did to the egyptian some moses got out of there? He fled.
So during that time he got married and god was talking to him and god was grooming him because god told him.
I want you to go back to egypt.
I want you to get my people.
I’Ve heard their cries and i’ve heard their prayers.
Moses wasn’t really confident.
He had an issue with his speech.
So god said: okay, your cousin aaron is going to go with you, so he packed his family.
They went to egypt now they talked to pharaoh several times, but pharaoh was very hard-headed.
God hardened his heart.
There was many plagues.
That came, i’m not going to say all of them, but it was the plague of blood, the gnats, the frogs.
The boils that you can get on your skin and darkness.
Now the last one was the critical one, because all first borns were going to be killed.
So the hebrews had to kill a one-year-old lamb, no defect on it, so they used the blood to put over the door frames and the sides of the door frame.
So when god came, he would pass by all of those houses that actually had the blood.
Well, so at 12 o’clock everyone who was associated with pharaoh all their firstborns were killed even the livestock, and even they had egyptian slaves.
Their firstborn was killed as well.
So moses and aaron goes back to pharaoh and says: okay pharaoh said: go, go, go, leave my people, so the hebrews asked for articles of gold and silver from the egyptians they gave it to him.
They left now they crossed over the red through.
Excuse me, the red sea, because god instructed moses to stretch out his hand.
Now they got to thinking pharaoh and the egyptians.
What did we just do? Who’S gon na serve us who’s gon na do all this work.
We have nobody well, of course, yes, you’re right.
They went after the hebrews, so god caused confusion was jamming up the chariots wheels as soon as the hebrews cross through the red sea because god had parted it.
You know how you part your hair and it’s over like that.
That’S exactly what god did he parted? The red sea, once the hebrews crossed over god, said, stretch out your hand.
He stretched out his hand again and all the water went back to how it normally is so pharaoh and all the egyptians that was with him they’re no longer so by association by association.
With pharaoh they suffered by not doing what was supposed to be the right thing to do.
It’S kind of like i was telling my husband when you have a glass and you just pour the water it’s going to overflow, and it’s just going to keep on going.
So it’s going to affect you, so that’s why i was saying that um.
First of all, you have to be careful who you associate yourself with my husband, said: pride comes before the fall and because so many people and businesses have been getting away with things.
That’S not right, unethical business practices.
I like that.
Thank you.
That’S why i love them.
We work great together and to to echo on what you were saying and the the story of moses, and that was a great story.
I love the way that you illustrate it.
As you was talking.
I was kind of, like my mind, started to go there and i remember when we started the stafford boxing club and it came to us in a vision from god and you and i talk right and it’s just like when um moses sent two to the promised Land which was joshua and caleb right, so we haven’t had any experience in the boxing industry, but when we began to do our research we discovered that it was flowing with milk and honey.
Now we came back with the good report.
We talked it over with people, they was like man you’re not going to get in bob abram top rank don king all them guys they control everything.
You’Ll never get.
This you’ll never get that, and i was like wow baby.
You know, god said for us to go over them, but when we came back and told our peers everyone’s, like man, you got to have millions of dollars.
You got to do this.
You got to do that that, but two came back with a good report me and sheila.
We saw that over in the boxing industry, it’s flowing with milk and honey or there’s a lot of giants over there.
Oh, it’s a lot of giants over there, but we seen an opportunity.
The other thing is this: the god of israel who we serve and we believe in abraham, it’s bigger than top rank bob abram, any other promoter, any crookedness or anything that’s going on in the boxing industry, and we know that the boxing industry is a playground for Gangsters, i know that, but this is what’s going to allow me and sheila the opportunity to get in front of those people so that you can see the stafford boxing logo yo.
You can see it.
You get what i’m saying.
What’S up e yeah, it’s going to be the favor of god, because the scripture said he that findeth, the wife find it a treasure and obtain favor.
From the lord see a woman got a lot of school scooby snacks in that treasure box.
You see what i’m saying so it’s gon na be the favor of god.
That’S gon na get us in front of bob abel, it’s gon na and bob with all due respect.
I’M not a lawyer.
I don’t pretend to be a lawyer.
I have no desire to to to practice law and i’m not practicing law.
Let me make that disclaimer.
I know that you have a background in law.
You went to undergrad at nyu, got your jd from harvard university the best of the best right.
So i know how your thinking is: you are a shrewd businessman.
The only thing you care about is the bottom line.
Now bob i have seen so many things about your past.
I’Ve read about them.
This is in black and white and i look at you as one of the game dogs that been tested.
You’Ve been you know what i mean.
You’Ve been in a lot of matches, you’ve been you know, and you got a lot of scars from your experience.
So when me and my wife sit before you, we [ Music ] we’re not going to leave with empty-handed.
We want to leave with some paperwork, but we’re not going to leave with that paperwork, that you had them fighters signing and it’s not going to be no kumbaya or anything like that and baby me, and you was talking and we i was.
I was asking you.
I said well baby, what does top rank and bob abram get out of helping the staff at boxing club, our non-profit organization, and you said, he’ll – be helping the at-risk youth the same that cuss did and also helping a community and helping those within the community that Don’T look like him see what i’m saying bob i’m we we coming.
We we it’s coming.
Did you hear me i’m like that dog when you go to a dog man, yard he’ll show you all the dogs like hey man, they go that dog over there.
They go that dog over there and yeah, but he say man.
I got this dog, that’s in the back.
He in the woods and when you walk in through the woods – and you see that dog he got a thicker chain on his neck.
When you look at his doghouse, it’s been, it’s been man, the dalton ate it up.
What’S up trap, my uh partner named trap, another good dog man, a great friend of mine, one more question.
He um published his his new book and i’m gon na get him on the show and he gon na talk about his book but anyway, so the dog that’s way in the back.
Where no one can see.
That’S me.
I got a lot of scars on me.
I’M i’m the dog that every other dog man want to bring his female to it’s in my blood, i’m gay.
I keep scratching that just me, no matter what happens, i’m gon na keep scratching that’s the spirit of christ.
In me, it allows me to keep scratching so when people told me what bob abram and top rank and duda this that net to the third i’m like bro, i don’t feel none at this point everything i’ve been through my life, i haven’t already accepted my faith, See me, i want to die as an honorable man.
That means a lot to me because once i’m gone, i cannot change what is written about me.
I want people to praise my name say man.
This was a great dude.
He impacted the community.
We look up to him.
We celebrate him for for being a faithful man to his wife.
That’S what i’m about i’m about making change, but i know that i’m not going to be able to get through these doors.
Unless i got my wife on my team together, we’ll make a powerful team, there is no other um couple or individual.
That’S approaching the boxing industry.
The way we approaching it we’re approaching it as a husband and wife.
So i feel very confident that my wife is beautiful, she’s, powerful, um, she’s intelligent.
You know, i’m just a game dog.
I just keep scratching.
I i’m i’m.
You know what bob i’m gon na be honest with you.
I get a heart erection when me and my wife get some money together and when we close deals together, i really do so.
I’M determined to get to that table with you, i’m determined to walk away with some paperwork.
That’S going to support the stafford boxing club, our non-profit organization, like my wife, said bob, i know you won’t be remembered as a can of tomatoes.
I know you don’t i know you don’t, and you know what bob you stubborn you in your own way.
She, 90 years old, you see things the way you see it, but bro one thing about life is change and i ain’t even talking about todd, but i mean all due respect.
I know you, you know you, you got education economics, but you got the game from from bob.
You know bar got them the scars.
Like he’s the he’s he’s the top guy.
He he’s the guy that i want to sit across and look him in his eyes.
I i want that opportunity and it’s going to come they’re going to come me and my wife and we’re going to walk away with some paperwork.
We do like to say, but i’m not an attorney, but i know how to file a motion.
I know how to file a complaint.
I know how to oppose a response from a defendant if i’m the plaintiff.
I know how to uh write a brief.
I know all i know how to do all this stuff.
So when i look at paperwork legal paperwork, i’m looking at it from as a an attorney, but i’m not attorney – you can refer me as a pro se litigant, but the law librarian at the federal courthouse library here in atlanta.
She said i didn’t see so many litigant pro se litigants come through here: white, black asian male female.
All of them say i ain’t, never seen none like you, like you different you, you don’t remind me of an attorney.
I mean a uh, a pro state litigator.
You remind me of a an attorney.
What makes a successful uh little gator is his preparation.
I know how to go in the law, library and search for certain things that i need to search and give quick story time about marrying the the uh library clerk at uh, dekalb county courthouse.
So one day me and my wife, we was living in some apartments and we was having landlord um tenant complications, and so we went to court, and so the judge told me he said: hey, listen, i’ma, give you an opportunity to correct this and the landlord had Their attorneys show up, i didn’t know nothing about law whatever, but what i did know about was research.
I i completed a business plan in the plasma industry and that experience gave me uh the tools to learn how to research, analytical information and comprehend it and put it in black and white.
So i went to the law, library in the courthouse and a little short lady.
Her name was mary and i told i said yeah the judge sent me down here and told me.
She said, i tell you what, if you come here once a week for two hours, i will teach you for five weeks.
I will teach you what you need to know about researching in the law, library, and i was like cool i i did it for six weeks and my wife would tell you that case that i had before the landlord i won matter of fact.
I had other civil um situations where i didn’t came out on top man of fact you can ask.
Ask george state about me, ask george state matter of fact yeah i might deem.
I might not have got that hundred bands, but what i did i made an opportunity for the first african-american president in school history to have his opportunity mark becker yeah, but anyway bob abram man, i’m i swear man, i’m gon na keep coming after you bruh, i’m I’M man you’re gon na, have your folks get in contact with me.
Like i got a platform, that’s the thing.
The staff of boxing poor report is our platform and we gon na keep knocking it’s like in the scripture.
It talk about the lady or the widow.
Yeah it was, it was a widow, the judge, neither feared god nor man, but the widow kept coming to the judge so many times that the judge said i’ma grant you justice against your adversaries, because i don’t want you to wear me out.
Man i’ma wear you out bro.
I promise i’m gon na keep scratching bruh.
I’M gon na keep scratching bro.
I’M really game like that, and at this point i’m willing to get my life for this.
I this this is my calling with my wife we’re willing to give our life for this.
We want an opportunity for the at-risk kids to be able to come to the stafford boxing club and eventually the staff at boxing gym, to have a safe place to come, to learn and to receive some love from from from two individuals that love each other.
And that’s: what’s missing in the black community a healthy black marriage? This ain’t, no reality celebrity reality.
None of that we’re not with it we’re not compromising we’re standing on business and that’s straight up we’re standing on business.
It’S premium over here we pushing p pressure premium perseverance, that’s what we pushing over here and we mean business.
We’Re not going to stop bob abram top rank with that boy named jacob, whatever brian jacob josh.
I don’t know i forgot his name, but man we coming bro, you’re gon na have to see us.
You’Re gon na have to see us one way or the other because we’re gon na, and you know what bob i’m gon na tell you.
We know that you can, you know you’re, not gon na get rattled.
You didn’t experience everything that people bob having this bobby and you you know.
None of that means anything, but i know bar you want you don’t want to be.
You do not want to be remembered as a canned tomato, and you guys reminds me of pharaoh and yeah you remind us a pharaoh.
You didn’t finesse, so many people out of so much money.
You didn’t made hundreds of millions of dollars black folks.
Yes, you gave black people black boxes, an opportunity to um to to make a living, etc, etc.
But it’s time for a change but dog, that’s one thing about life is change and sheila the staff of boxing we represent change.
I’M gon na read these comments.
Real quick scrapbook boxing love your show, absolutely and andrea pin it remember my question.
Yes, now some of your question i did answer when we were talking about the ali act and and the rest of the question is it’s on: it’s really on the boxers and the promoters, because earlier my husband said that the boxers are going to have to put In the work you can’t be lazy.
It’S more majority of i mean a mental mentality that they have to really baby.
What’S our slogan, stafford boxing, the making of champions? Let me answer the answer this question, so it really falls on the boxers, because the boxers do have a responsibility because they have to train, they have to be dedicated, they have to be confident they have they’re going to have to put in that work and plus Some they’re going to have to stay in that gym, they’re, going to have to make sacrifices, they’re going to have to make sure that there’s no distractions from them, man we want man, we want people with high character and there’s also the promoters, because a lot of Times promoters and management teams can break the boxer’s spirit, to be honest with you, they really can, and by doing that is either by words or not giving them the money that they rightfully deserved, and they worked hard for man.
We love these boxes, so that’s so.
Yes, it can become just like the nba and the nfl it can it can.
It will be yeah, it will be, but you got to put in that work you have to put in the work.
That’S for everybody, even with the pay-per-view baby.
You look like pocahontas.
No cappuccino, thank you! So yes, it can be it’s all about work.
So since we were talking about sacrifices and the muhammad ali reform act, there’s a young lady that i talked about a little bit on july 4th, but i want to go more into depth about her lady tiger.
Actually, she spelled it t-y-g-e-r and her name is marion.
Tribiar i’m going to read, because i want to make sure that i give you the proper information of why she went on a hunger strike.
So let me just tell you this first and then we’ll talk some more.
She went on a hunger strike for the women.
The women boxers the women coming into the boxing industry 4-1 major network coverage for women, compensation from network promoters for a loss of livelihood, equal corporate sponsorship of women participation in boxing the promotion of boxing for girls and women in boxing economic parity for women on all Professional boxing cards now parity is the state or condition of being equal, especially when it comes to pay and how you’re being treated okay.
Then the promotion of boxing as an amateur and a professional sport for women, the licensing of all qualified female applicants in their respective states because remember she just didn’t – have to fight in the boxing ring.
She had to actually fight to get her license.
The hunger strike it began on april 1st in 87, and then it went on to april 687, but she really wasn’t going to stop until change.
Those changes were made for women and i really have to read this for you all right here, and this is another reason why to i get excited, because this young lady, she put her life, sacrifice on the line, a sacrifice for female boxers, because she saw firsthand How they were being treated and also how they were actually being taken advantage of, so i want to read this word from word, because if i don’t you know you can get into trouble, if you don’t say it right.
So let me read this to you: marion trimiar has been on a hunger strike.
I’M gon na read this whole thing since april, 1st fighting for the rights, a female boxer.
She picketed promoter don king in his new york office on tuesday to get more recognition and prize money, but she was also doing it because of bob aaron being prejudiced as well.
I just had to put that in bob break bread and also, let me tell you she also uh picketed, the haggler and uh leonard fight, because of that, but also i have to read this too, because i’m quoting now.
Do you all remember when bob aaron filed a lawsuit against hbo, because they said they were trying to be the promoter and trying to push him out to exclude him from being a promoter? Do you all remember that? Well, let me read this quote that he said instead of working with promoters like they have done in the past, they have become promoters themselves.
They make the fights just like promoters and pay fighters said bob aaron, so i guess mike pimp in a long time.
I think i think my question is: if you were done an injustice.
Why do you turn around and do the same thing to others to others? I don’t get that i mean the saying.
Is: hurt people hurt people, it’s greed, it’s great! Well, there’s enough money for everybody to behave.
There’S enough money out here for all of us to be able to make it hey bob! Listen to this.
We know when you’re in the dinosaurs, like the dinosaurs era, [ Music ], which is nothing wrong with it.
We’Re just supposed to stay at home and raise the kids and take care of the household and make sure the husband’s dinner and breakfast and packed his lunch.
I mean there’s nothing wrong with that, because i do that.
You know i serve there’s nothing wrong with that.
There’S nothing wrong with that at all, but yeah your husband, i’m sorry, but during these times women was like.
I want to do something i want to do something and fights and women fights are exciting.
They really are.
We watched a few women fights, they are exciting and i’m excited about clarissa shields, a career fields.
Is it fields of shields clarissa’s, shoes? Okay, she is my bad, oh you’re, going to have this girl go after you on twitter.
Oh that’s another thing.
She does market herself.
You can’t ever forget this young, lady and she’s, going to say what she wants to say and how she’s going to say it she from flint michigan.
You don’t want none of that smoke.
That’S that thick smoke that when their car does that backfire and it comes out first, it comes out real light, but then it and then that real dark smoke comes out yeah.
When i see that clarissa shields, i see a survivor, she is a survivor.
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