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EPISODE: Episode 44
Joining Mike and Cedric in the studio is Natalie ‘Sugar’ Brown a.k.a Ms. TooBad discussing the sport of boxing and the women who compete within it.
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Transcribed:
Hello there boxing fans around the world – thank you for joining us once again here on talk and fight for another episode of knuckle up, it’s female friday and i don’t know if you caught it, but that was an amazing interview.
We had with hallie hannah hanson down in germany uh what a spark plug.
She was wow, wow, wow, honestly, honestly, man, professional runway model, dj world champion kickboxer and has now embraced us with her skills in the boxing ring.
Wow, that’s crazy, crazy yeah and she was saying how inspirational she was uh or wanted to be for younger women yeah.
Like you, you look at the number of uh women in boxing and how many of them are saying exactly that you know like.
Can you imagine like uh, i’m young, i’m pretty, and i want to hit someone in the face.
[ Laughter, ], i love it.
I love it.
It’S great.
I think it’s awesome either either a guest has frozen or or that’s just a picture.
What do we think? I’M gon na go with frozen, i’m gon na go because it’s been happening all week.
Oh there we go there, we go there.
We go hi natalie.
How are you hi everyone hello good afternoon? How are you doing thanks for having me sorry, i’m late, hey! Thank you for joining us, hey hello, gentlemen.
I have a question.
I have a question i want.
Where are you? Are you in canada, you’re in jamaica? Are you in america right now? Oh goodness, someone’s done their homework.
Well, i was i was joking.
I was joking you’re like the lennox lewis of uh of women.
Oh my gosh! Thank you.
That’S such a great! That’S such a great comparison, um right now, i’m in the dmv uh of the united states, so the dc maryland virginia area.
Um i’m doing a bit of uh.
You know outside of boxing work, but i still uh travel around and – and i give my insights and i give my help where i can um with other fighters and other gyms and things like that.
Nice all right mike go away, [, Laughter, ], so natalie uh, you want.
You wanted to join us today and talk about women’s boxing and uh everything.
That’S going on.
Honestly.
I think 2020 2022 is actually gon na be a huge year for women’s boxing, and i think that, finally, that these uh super fights are about to happen.
I think we’re about to embark on a new, a new era for women in boxing to be honest, okay, um! Is it my turn? Yeah go ahead, go okay, um! I love the fact that you guys are interested now as men.
I love that you feel like this is a big year because uh women’s boxing i’ve been i’m, i’m pretty old.
I’Ve been in um female boxing for over 20 years, and every year of those 20 years was the year.
Was the grand year was the biggest year of female boxing um? I think now that uh we have men like you that are truly respectful and interested in what we do makes it more special.
It’S it’s becoming it’s becoming more valid.
Now a thing it was always a thing before, but now you know we have your attention and it feels good um uh there are, there are super fights, i wouldn’t call them super fights um.
I i i said initially that i’m the cold splash of water in your in everyone’s face, because in women’s boxing it’s just um you’re a female boxer to everyone else, you’re relative to the other one, the other female boss.
Oh, i know a female female boxer and then, when you find out who the female boxer is, oh she took some classes, she didn’t actually travel the world and she didn’t.
Actually you know she wasn’t a real gladiator.
She just took some classes, you know – or i know a female boxer, yeah she’s great.
Oh two fights she only had two fights: oh okay, i’ve.
I’Ve had 80 fights, you know so just having a platform to speak with you, gentlemen, to delve deeper in understanding what the what the climate is as a female boxer is important, because when you guys know, then you can really say or have some substantial input in What needs to happen in female boxing, which is real, fights need to happen in female boxing yeah uh we’re talking about mega fights.
Let’S talk about the mega fight coming up supposedly uh katie taylor versus amanda, tomano yeah, it’s a mega fight, uh! Oh honestly, it’s a mega fight just because it’s a fight that needs to happen in a fight that we’ve been waiting to see happen and, finally, finally, there’s two people that have gotten together that are able to get the deal done.
That’S that’s the thing yes, so in women’s boxing uh, i i give it to katie taylor.
She has great her.
People have moved her fantastically and if that’s a word and um, she has comprised a good resume right.
Amanda morano also right, but they uh the only mega person in the two would be katie taylor right, i would say amanda serrano.
She has been moved, but she’s only she’s done what everyone else in women’s boxing has done.
She’S fought fights she’s, not a gatekeeper.
No, i don’t see her as a gatekeeper um, and this is not me downing her.
This is me just knowing the climate, so this is a great fight, but it’s not a mega fight.
Okay, um [, Music ].
I i mean to know if it’s a mega fight gentleman ask yourself this question: what happens to the loser? Okay, okay, okay, if katie taylor loses then what she rides off into the sunset.
Whoever she fights again yeah is that lady amanda, if amanda loses, guess what happens, she ends up in the bargain bin with the rest of them.
This is not a mega fight.
True, so what do you think? What do you think about um clarissa shields versus savannah marshall? Now now we’re talking that what happened is all right, um this? That is a mega fight.
Why? Because clarissa shields this covers his shields.
She has, i don’t think she’s the gwat i’ve been around yeah clarissa got the opportunity that all of us fought for right.
When i was around there was no olympics exactly otherwise.
I would have gone to the olympics exactly.
I was on the women’s u.
s olympic team.
I was also the jamaican women’s team, so somehow i would have got there.
I was also two-time world silver medalist.
When silver win the world championships was all we had.
So i was arguably the best, if not one, of the best women in the world doing this.
Okay and at that, at that level i saw some things and i saw some talents and clarissa shields.
She is very talented, she’s very intelligent, but she is not the what there have been better um.
They just didn’t get the opportunity that she did so we’ll celebrate her.
I will we’ll celebrate her accomplishments and say that, yes, she is the best now, but we have savannah marshall yeah, which is the blemish on her perfect record.
Exactly exactly – and i would say this um in amateur boxing – there’s a lot of politics and she may have gotten politicked, because amateur boxing is way different.
It’S apples and oranges way different than professional boxing right right, um amateur boxing.
All the dots have to be connected in order for the pitcher to be seen pro.
That’S when yeah it gets real funky and it’s a real fight right and there’s no rules in a real fight, there’s just a winner and a loser right, okay.
So now this is a mega fight because, yes, savannah marshall did get clarissa shields because she connected all the dots, but can she win in a real fight with clarissa shields? That’S the question and she’s not gon na the thing is: what happens to the loser is in this one? Is they get to try again because savannah marshall has changed, she has evolved as a fighter, so i don’t see this being a one-off, like katie taylor versus amanda, serrano, okay.
I actually see this being kind of maybe a trilogy.
I do oh okay.
I never even i never even thought that deep into it to be honest but yeah.
Well, you know this is female.
Boxing hey, like i said it’s it’s exciting.
I i love watching it man, i i love them.
So we talk about the equivalent and i love you, i’m i’m already in love with you.
You know um, it’s louis, oh my gosh.
I i made my day, but i would say this matchup.
I see this as the fury wilder of women’s boxing.
Okay.
Okay, i do i do why, because um people underestimate boxing um, like i said especially women’s boxing, and we have two accomplished very smart contenders.
Okay, so we’ll see the first fight, but we won’t get enough of it.
We’Ll say: oh man, maybe if it was a three minute round or if they had one more round or something like that, maybe if it was money.
This is money.
That’S mega in women’s boxing.
Okay, listen! I pay some of my rent money to see this cody turler versus amanda, i’m not sure, but this one yeah right.
It has all the ingredients right.
It has a story, it has uh, it has the drama and it has legitimacy as well, and i have to say this: my girl clarissa didn’t look good in her last fight.
No, she didn’t i um, i mean what do you guys think talk to me yeah? I think it was.
It was expected for her to stop this girl and she ended up going distance with her um.
I think it was more exciting that the the interaction with her savannah after the fight was more expensive.
I mean that’s what it’s about.
That’S that’s! What it’s about too! I like that back and forth.
I don’t know if y’all have the bleep button, but you know what talk that [ __ ].
Okay, because that’s i mean that’s what a fight’s all about and then we are professionals.
So we fight and we’re bantering we’re going back and forth and before we even get to the ring.
Sometimes the fight is one before you get into the ring.
Exactly can you can you tilt your the camera down just a little bit, it’s kind of cutting off your chin.
If you can just okay, here we go there, we go.
No, we get to see the lovely jawline in the nice next.
Okay, thanks for looking out so um [ Music, ] uh.
Where was i yes, so the ingredients are there uh clarissa came out.
This is why i say clarissa is not the guard.
If you are the greatest of women of all time, you got knockout power too, and that’s just something you’re born with i was blessed to have that most of my fights were ended by knockout, and because of that you know i tend to be a samurai.
I wasn’t you know like i’m.
If, if i wasn’t going to stop you you better, stop me, you know so um.
You know that was.
That was a bit of my career.
The story of my career, but um clarissa shields came out and she thought that the story was going to be the same as when she left and went to mma.
That’S right, you don’t do that.
You can’t boxing is a jealous boyfriend.
You got ta, be loyal.
Yeah right, you got ta, you got ta stand in it, you got ta, keep your foot in it.
She went and did mma.
She came back.
She did to me.
She didn’t look sharp.
She didn’t add anything to the pot that old clarissa shields.
Didn’T.
Do you understand what i’m saying so she looked like she had ring rust.
She looked like she had ring rust.
You don’t do that right and then she fought.
Like marshall, said she fought a child yeah.
She did and not child meaning.
I’M sending this girl.
You know child meaning that you are supposed to be the guard.
She shouldn’t be able to stand in this ring with you exactly exactly.
She went the whole oh [, __ ].
She danced the whole dance with you girl.
What’S wrong right, that’s where that’s where we are at that’s where, like that’s, where i’m at so these people, congratulations and you look great and oh, she was taking those shots we signed up for this.
I signed up.
I signed up to give and i signed up to take and that girl did if anything she made, that girl look a lot better than she probably would have well given she gave her confidence just be able to go 12 rounds with with clarissa with the guard Right, i would be talking daniang.
If i was that young lady right right, i went through a girl and drove around with what she couldn’t do.
Nothing with me.
That’S how you sell yourself right, not she didn’t drop her.
She didn’t hurt her.
I didn’t see anything.
She was right there in her face the whole time.
Oh okay, what you got! That’S, that’s, not something that i would pay for right, and so we go right to this at the end of the day.
We know it guys.
This is entertainment, it’s about making that bread right, there’s just shields.
Sorry girl, you ain’t, bringing bread to the business you’re supposed to be the quad yeah.
Okay, that’s number one number two! You know your performance now before i believed in the now gwat looking at savannah, like girl and then at the end.
Let me tell you i love when samantha marshall told her she was going whine her neck in.
I said you know what i like it.
I bought the ticket right there.
Yes, i want to see this yeah, you know guys and um.
You know, marshall is tall, she’s been focused.
She has leverage on her punches.
Yes, she has the ability to stop contenders clarissa shields.
All of her fights have gone into long decisions.
That’S i mean that’s the scale that we’re weighing on right now, yeah.
So, like i said, i see this as a tyson fury, the women’s version of tyson bury versus uh wilder.
So it’s not gon na we’re.
Not just gon na be graced with one great fight, we’re gon na see many, you know what, if, if they really want to make some, this is a money thing.
This is a money match right now, and there are no.
I mean people and, and and the ladies hate me for this too, some of them, but the reality is, you know we fight for three minutes.
We fight to go 12 rounds, but the thing about it.
You have to prove what your market worth is right and there’s not enough female matches that are worth right.
Equal pay, there’s not right.
There’S not! I don’t know what you mean but but see the thing is it’s it’s crazy because women’s boxing, like i love how the politics and the ducking and dodging don’t get in the way of the actual the actual goal which is to get in the ring and fight Women are like, oh it does.
What do you mean? Well, not not not as much.
I don’t think the women duck and dodge as much as no no, no, no! No! No! No! No! No that’s all they do really.
I sat on the sex shelf.
Cecilia breikas.
Would not fight me really? I sat on the shelf yeah right.
I was ready for all of them.
I called all of them out.
Oh my god, none would fight me.
I was willing to go up and i was willing to go down.
They started knocking on the doors after i lost right and then, when i came back and they saw oh, she said she still got some some fight in her.
The phone lines went dead.
There’S all that happens and that’s why i wanted to talk to you guys about that, because maybe, if you guys start knowing what’s really happening out here, you can really call on these these women to step up right.
Um i’ve been waiting for michaela meyer to step up right, all of a sudden like she’s.
How did she get to where she’s gotten right? You know like she hasn’t, and this is not me.
Listen.
I love my sport.
I work so hard in this.
If i see a bad broad, i’m gon na celebrate her because i know how hard it is to be that.
But you know, like i uh michaela meyer versus um, goodness i just tara brown yeah, that’s the that’s the match, that’s the match worth paying for, but guess where tiara brown is on the shelf.
Nobody wants to fight her because she’s a real fighter right.
So these are the things that are happening and what happens? Is they ignore you so much so that your bones get soft because you have to fight you have to fight in order to be a fighter? If you’re not fighting, use it or listen, you got to use it or lose it right.
So if you’re, not fighting your bones, get soft, you know you’re not hitting as the the the pop ain’t going to be there, because you you’re not racing the ferrari right and then that’s when they call you.
Ah two weeks notice, you got the fight you’ve.
Always that’s that’s what you see in women’s boxing right now right right, it’s not that the contenders! Aren’T there it’s not! They um it’s behind the scenes.
The fights already won before we get into the winners already picked before we get into the ring.
What what do you think? What do you think needs to be done? Uh? What’S what’s the biggest thing that needs to change to start to start moving forward from where we’re at right now, women’s boxing uh, the biggest thing that needs to change is you guys are doing something about it right now, having a platform that you guys talk about? It and we can talk about it, yeah right entertaining a fighter like me and saying uh, you know, let’s talk, let let’s hear the real suggestion about.
What’S going on, you know.
I have no loyalty to anything, but the truth.
I did you know: i’m i’m not afraid that a sanctioning body is not gon na uh.
Put me in the ranking.
You know i’m not afraid of anything, because i’ve been through it.
I’Ve been there.
I’Ve done that in this game right you know i go back and i help every one that i can um [ Music ], the the the thing about it.
Is you guys the media, you guys that run the platforms now um.
You guys have to it’s good for you to be aware of the the people who are the gatekeepers like right now, melissa st bill.
There was a women’s tournament tournament um cali rays, mary mcgee.
There was a new there’s, a new girl.
I i actually fought her um jessica, camara and chantel cameron.
Do y’all are y’all familiar with that one.
I know them all yeah yeah.
I know i don’t talk about it.
Okay, so, okay, this tournament.
What i mean, if you guys saw it, how do you? What do you think about it? What did you think about what happened? I didn’t i missed the tournament i heard about it, but i didn’t actually see it.
I didn’t actually see it.
I know i didn’t see the tournament either, but i didn’t hear about it.
Jessica cameron, all right, we wanted to watch it together.
You guys like what you know.
I love um, i mean that’s a date.
Um sounds good, so um the fight, the first one was mary mcgee versus chantal cameron.
Let me tell you something: chantelle i like her.
Okay, she is she’s a pit bull, yes, yes, definitely.
Okay.
She and i i like her fighting.
Yes, she’s, no nonsense and mary mcgee she’s been around.
She doesn’t have much of an amateur background.
She has some finesse um in their fight.
Chantelle showed mary that um.
This is not a game.
Yep! Okay, you can’t you can’t shimmy your way out of a fight.
You got to be able to stand and deal with me and um mary couldn’t stand and deal with chantel right, because you know there’s got to be some trade and there wasn’t much so chantel dominated that fight.
Oh yes, i believe this.
I believe it was like unanimous decision outcome.
I believe.
Yes, it wasn’t unanimous decision um, i’m coming from the old school i’m like i said these girls are nice to each other, because chantelle could have very well stopped mary mcgee in that fight, but i think chantelle was is trying to showcase who she is and what Her skill set is because you don’t really as a female fighter, there are very few opportunities to show what you’re about.
So i think that’s why she really didn’t press and stop mary, because that girl was putting that pressure on.
She was and mary couldn’t deal with.
The pressure do you believe me, do you believe if, if they were able to have three minute rounds that the outcome could have been different? Oh my gosh, i fought three minute rounds when i first started boxing yeah and i and i fought uh.
I i sparred three to five minute rounds when i was uh getting ready when i was actively boxing right um.
The mindset is different of a fighter who is fighting two minutes and a fighter who is fighting three minutes.
Two minutes is a sprint.
Oh, i can go in and run the time down and i win the round because of activity because of activity.
A three minute round now determines strategy, intent and execution.
You have to be able to execute all of those things in three minutes.
Otherwise, you’re gon na lose the round right, so it doesn’t two-minute rounds depend your your conditioning really determines whether you can win a two-minute round your game plan and your thought process determines whether you can win a three-minute round a lot of these young.
Ladies or a lot of these women, you can see from the way they fight.
They don’t have that education, okay, to fight a three-minute round.
Right, like i said, i’m old school, i was taught by old school men.
That really i mean i they they thought women shouldn’t box right, but i was there and they respected my skill set and my tenacity and my fire enough to teach me what they know and they taught me a three-minute mentality.
Okay, so um, i said that to say this um in this tournament: uh, it’s a sprint, so mary lost her title.
Chantelle gained the belt yep champagne chantelle has the momentum.
Then the matchup was against cali rays versus jessica camara.
Are you guys familiar with those two fighters? Yes, uh, yes, jessica camaro has actually been a guest on our uh.
Our show a few times: oh cool, yes, um, okay, so i’ll i’ll.
Let you in on a little secret.
That’S not a secret! I love secrets um! So jessica camara is a good fighter.
Yes um.
I think she needs time still um, because um she has not given herself enough time to develop as a fighter.
She has a potential.
I fought jessica camara um.
She challenged me after i lost to jessica mccaskill, which was so um.
I fought her and she was.
She was young in her career.
She was young in the sport and she’s very strong she’s, a strong, intense fighter, but guess what guess? What sugar got some power? I got the power.
Yes, i got power, you got the power, this burst power and the mentality to fight through and the mentality.
So i i i was able i i was hoping that i would teach her a lesson, but i stopped her in the fight.
I knocked her out yeah and um.
She did some work and she came back and she thought i think she fought melissa st bill.
Yeah melissa, st phil.
You all need to keep that one on your radar secretly on the radar.
I know it’s the same bill as a gatekeeper.
I don’t know, i think they probably shelved her or something that’s a gatekeeper.
This is her time.
She’S fought everyone.
Why? Wouldn’T she fight katie taylor? You understand look at her record um, so she fought the gatekeeper which is melissa, saint ville and she couldn’t get past melissa, st phil, okay.
So that’s gon na.
Let you know what level you are in the game.
You can’t pass that gatekeeper, you’re gon na have to come back you you have to reassess yourself, and so she came back and she fought heather hardy yeah yeah.
I remember that one okay, but heather hardy, is a smaller fighter than her, and this is what they do in women’s boxing: okay, yeah heather hardy’s a name but that that broad ain’t in your weight class come on [, Laughter, ], you’re, right she a bad chick, But she ain’t a big chick like you, no right so yeah she got the win and then i guess that would that win got her into the tournament, but i think she’s too young she’s too green to be in this tournament and when you hold a belt, You got to hold that belt.
It’S not that! Oh! I just got on the scene and oh i’m going to get a belt in women’s boxing.
We’Ve lost the understanding of what a belt means.
A belt means that i’m i’m the best.
I got this strap yep you’re gon na have to you’re gon na have to be bad to come test me with this strap right.
You can’t just come.
You can’t just come johnny come yesterday and try to test me.
You got ta, earn your stripes right so but i’ll say this cali ray’s underestimated jessica, camara, cali ray’s been around.
I actually wanted to fight her too cali rays.
Didn’T want to fight me until uh.
She heard through the grapevine that sugar may not have been in the best shape right and then i got a two week notice thing from her and i’m like nah these shenanigans.
No, all right, let’s make some money.
Let’S let you know, don’t don’t try to run me over, let’s fight and let’s make this a money fight.
Maybe we could do it again right right, that’s how that works.
So um, i didn’t take the fight um and then she went on.
I think she fought cecilia brackis after that dropped breakers because she got a little pop happy about it.
But if you all saw that fight on hbo and she dropped the girl girl, that’s blood in the water go get it she backed off.
So i don’t know if that was a behind-the-scenes agreement or if it’s something that she just didn’t know that she had right right.
So that’s i mean these are things i want i’ll.
Let’S talk about it.
I want us to talk about it right, yeah, so um.
Oh i’m doing freeze it’s my refrigerator.
Oh sorry, um that put i’m sorry that put um callie actually on the map.
Now, although you know now she’s a name now, the talk is talking around her and then you know, like i said in this tournament, jessica showed her up really bad jessica was in her chest the whole time right.
Arguably people said jessica won that fight.
You know, and if i wasn’t a veteran and if i didn’t know the climate of what women’s of what boxing is, i would have, i would easily give jessica that fight, but there’s some general ship involved that would make it so that jessica did.
She still didn’t deserve the win because um, like i said generalship, you are supposed to be able to dominate and control the fight and show that you are doing you’re yeah.
You are doing this to that person.
I am taking this person apart.
Yeah right, i am making this i, i am disposing of this person.
Don’T you all see this? You know right.
So that’s how that works.
So now this tournament now floating in the winds, is cali rays coming up versus chantal cameron.
Yes, i heard through the grapevine that chantelle went to gleason’s last weekend and cleaned up, oh so that girl, ain’t playing, oh see the insides you’re here we’re hearing all the inside information right now in ladies, it’s miss it’s missed too bad’s corner right now i mean Y’All talk to me right, i mean i i i’m so excited to be here.
Thank you, like i said everyone thank you for coming on we’re getting close to the end of time, but oh okay, yeah, so um we’re definitely gon na.
Have you back uh, maybe we’ll get you coming back and and dropping some information to the to the streets every couple of weeks or so.
If you’d like that, that’d be awesome and you can let us know you can let us know on a regular.
What’S going on behind the scenes of women’s boxing sounds good.
We have a great idea from someone in the chat that says uh.
When does the sugar show with miss too bad start? Oh [, __, ] fight challenge how about a miss sugar show for real? I would love a miss sugar show all right.
Well, you know what let’s uh.
Let’S end up today’s talk and uh, i had a quick question about about um just about your fighting career.
Usually when we talk to fighters, i have my other talk to me.
I got my other laptop set up, so i usually have uh some some of the highlights.
So i got some of your highlights.
Uh on uh, on on the screen here.
Yeah i can see.
I was gon na.
Ask you what your favorite, uh, um, punch or combo, was but you’re great at the straight punch, your jab, you got full extension, you could tell you, have a good educated jab that long straight cross that you come with um.
What is what is your? What was your favorite part of of of the fight, whether it’s a favorite punch or uh? As a fighter? I i was really i was very unconventional.
Like i said, i came up in a time where um women weren’t boxing and then we were look.
I mean no one wanted to teach you so when you did get someone when you did get a gladiator.
Like my my boxing dad, i call him my boxing father johnny gant.
He was a um.
He was a top uh rated welterweight.
He bought uh sugary leonard, and you know he had his thing.
I’Ve been in.
You know: i’ve been around vernon forest um.
You know i’ve been in steve cunningham like all of these guys, andre berto.
All of these guys i came up with.
I came up with them, so i learned from them and what they did.
But what i did was i i put a female spin on it because i you know, as a i mean i thought generally, i had the moves like a.
I would say like a dude, but the thought process as a a woman is different when you’re fighting a woman is different, we’re crazy.
When a woman decides to fight trust me, a man will say you know what, if the women, when women decide to fight it, it’s it’s on blood.
It’S on like it’s on my children, cheering okay, so um.
What i loved about being a fighter and and having the opportunity to fight was the mental game yeah the mind, yeah yeah right, because that’s what it was yeah right before at the weigh-in at the press conference and then you get to the ring.
I, like that whole thing, because it was a fight all the way and sugar made sure she won every fight.
I was going out, dress your ass.
I was going out talking your ass.
I was going [, __ ] talk and do all of that stuff yeah.
I love it and then, when we get to the ring, i’m going to beat your ass because it’s a fight.
Yes, i said i totally enjoyed that part of it.
I love the fact.
I was very deceptive, meaning that you know i no one.
I was very powerful, but i didn’t there were i learned to not come through the door with it right.
I also had a longer reach than what my height was, so my reach was um, that of a girl.
That would probably be five ten five eleven correct, but my actual height is five seven, so yeah guys she got long arms like a gorilla.
You know because some people think just because you have long arms you’re gon na have an advantage, but that’s only if you know how to use that advantage if you know how to use it.
So i was a and, like i said i was very deceptive, so i used that depth perception i used like.
I was able to reach into different aspects of fighting right.
I was able to fight you out in deep water, but then i would allow you to come in because i had good footwork right and i was able to use angles and then yeah when i did when i broke you down and got you good and tired.
I was in good condition.
I had good conditioning, so i was going to start hurting you yeah, so that was that was i that that was the thing about my my career and um.
I am excited to see what these girls are coming with but, like i said you know, there’s just very few.
You know it’s a hamster wheel, the one two three, the one you know come on bring the real quad.
I want to see.
I want to see some real stuff.
I want to see some girls getting slumped me too me too [, Music ].
We knew what to happen to happen, especially especially in amateurs, veronica simmons, leticia robinson those girls used to swap girls.
Are you talking about clarissa who’s? A point you know who’s winning off a point yeah.
I can’t give it to you baby girl.
I love you to death, but i can’t give it to you yeah.
So that’s where everybody you got to be putting people to bed man.
They got to be good.
You got it, you got and, like i said, either you’re born with it.
You could grow and stop people, but that’s that’s a divine.
That’S a divine thing right there.
I don’t know.
I used to i used to knock men out in the gym, not not to my own horn, but if you’re going give it to me, i’ma take it exactly.
Nice.
Miss sugar, miss sugar.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Miss sugam! It’S too bad! You all know who i am y’all know where to find me on a friday with you uh.
Thank you thank you, natalie for coming on today, uh honestly, thanks for having me, it was so fun we’re definitely gon na.
Have you back uh, stick around for a few minutes, we’d like to talk to you afterwards, uh awesome, yeah, definitely, but to other fans out there that are watching today, who’ve tuned in to this wonderful episode and special episode of knuckle up female friday at four with Mike orr and cedric ben in the den yes thank you again natalie for joining us.
We will see you guys tonight on the panel at seven o’clock.
Don’T forget seven o’clock same time, same channel new topics and uh yeah.
We will see you guys later: peace, peace,
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