Following a bit of a break, Kristian from Boxen247 is back in the TalkinFight studios to discuss the state of the heavyweight devisions in boxing today.

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[, Music, ], [, Music, ], hello, boxing fans around the world.

Thank you for joining us once again here on talk and fight for another episode, featuring christian von sponik out of boxing 247 across the pond.

How are you doing christian, uh harriet? How are you you’re good, i’m doing very well? Yeah yeah and um yeah life is yeah.

No, it’s good good to have you back it’s a new year, absolutely uh, but some things have not changed and that is this bottleneck we’re seeing at the heavyweight division.

I thought i thought the last time we talked we were all set for a fury versus jillian white, uh fight and uh.

That has not been confirmed as of today so uh.

How are you up with? What’S going on with it, because i can um? Oh god, this do.

I do.

I got myself into trouble with it.

Um, i’m not gon na, say i’m not gon na say where i’ve got it from, but i know exactly what is happening.

Okay, i had.

I had heard that uh eddie hearn uh was willing to let it go to purse bid tomorrow, uh, which would be friday uh.

He manages dillian white and he wasn’t happy, i believe, with the 20 uh that he was being offered uh for that fight.

Anyway.

I’M sure you know more than i and why don’t you, let me and the fans know what you’ve heard well.

All it is is that i was happy to put it the best way.

Wouldn’T it i was over um.

I heard that up.

I heard that um apparently there’s no way he was going to be stepping aside.

This is anthony joshua, absolutely no way he was going to be stepping aside uh apparent, apparently that the powers to be um wanted him to because it made sense.

You know because it’s extra money, you know fury and um music fights and then obviously with hopefully at that point they wanted um aj to to fight the winner, but uh.

I hear that that is not the case now.

As far as the um, the wbc and the perspective you’re right with what you said, because it’s been extended twice now and has extended for the second time yesterday with the deadline being tomorrow.

So with what i heard um, you should hear with what i heard only covers the aj situation.

Now, what’s going to happen with fury and white weather that you know, this is going to be plain sailing with their negotiations um.

That is obviously you know.

We see tomorrow um one question: i’m gon na ask you, you know the the big thing is with all of this.

Is that um, you know fury wants the 80 20 split now.

Do you think that is fair? What’S your views of this uh based on what dillian white made last time out when he fought, i think he made three hundred thousand.

I don’t know if his pounds of dollars, but let’s just say that’s the number uh 20 of this fight against fury – would be absolutely monumental compared to that three hundred thousand dollars a pound figure.

So so i, yes, i do think it’s fair for dylan white to take that 20.

I mean it looks unfair on on paper, as we see it.

80 20 split, but let me backtrack has aj accepted the walk away money, not officially.

No! No! No! The idea is, he doesn’t want, it doesn’t want to do it.

No aj doesn’t want, doesn’t want um to step aside, and i have heard that fury doesn’t want to fight you sick.

I mean this is really complicated for me right here.

Um, fury supposedly fury will fight anybody, that’s just the the general thing you know.

If i anybody what was the exact words, anybody doesn’t care who it is even this weekend.

No, i i i i think you use the word dosser really.

I never used that before.

Well, yeah um, apparently he’ll fight anybody um, but with what he exactly says, you’ve got to take with a few pinches of salt anyway, um no apparently management um want not management.

Sorry, promotional, get it right, um we’re up for the uh step aside.

This is aj’s side, um and but apparently aj flat rights.

Just doesn’t want it to to happen that way.

He he wants his rematch, apparently with you, sick and that’s what i heard today um near enough from the horse’s mouth, but, as we have seen with the whole of this carnival merry-go-round live the past months years.

Whatever that um anything could happen and anything could happen in 24 hours as well, which is a key thing, i remember, writing a post one night um, you asked um tyson fury.

This was you know going ahead with uh aj.

Writing it and it was a case of he’s up for it.

He says that the other it’s happening, there’s the company video with it and then the next day that it wasn’t happening anything could happen um.

So all i can say is, as this moment or i’m gon na be exact as of uh, this lunch time, um, that’s how it’s uh, how it plays um, i haven’t silenced my phone.

My inbox is going off with all sorts of stuff, so um.

I could probably end this call with you and there’s all sorts of stuff um but yeah.

I think um there’s a lot of stuff happening, um! Well, i’m gon na be late with it.

Obviously, after after this call but um, if you need any news for later i’ll quickly go through my inbox, i’ve got everything being uh thrown over to me, so um yeah.

I think it’s gon na be a good night for uh boxing uh today tonight, there’s gon na be some announcements i mean i haven’t done anything today.

Obviously i’ve been at the press conference uh um all morning afternoon.

There’S lots of coley one uh february 27th um.

So yeah it’s uh.

No, it’s all interesting there’s.

I think i think i’m seeing things that are flashing up on my phone.

At the moment i think katie, taylor and serrano has possibly been made.

Um i’ve had something flash up, because i haven’t put the the silence.

The um the thing that stops all the notifications – i’ve got everything coming up on my screen over the emails, obviously from the promoters, so um yeah, it’s uh uh.

I could probably update you going through it after after this call, we have um it’s one thing, particularly today that that you find interesting at the moment because um, you know it’s been boxes.

Looking good at the moment got some good fights coming up there, really some good ones.

It’S been a bit of a pain in the uk, obviously with with uh january being suspended, but everything’s been pushed over uh first one in the uk, the big one anyways, obviously gon na, be chris eubank versus liam williams.

On february, the 5th down in cardiff, um, uh, good fight, good fight, um, obviously, on that bill as well, you’ve got clarissa shields versus emma kozin um, that’s beautiful unification uh.

Obviously, because it’s everything that savannah martial hasn’t got because she’s got the wb.

I was wp.

Oh, i think it is and marshall’s got everything else, but emma cos in the unbeaten girl she’s got the wbf, so even that’s been thrown into the pot um.

I’Ve got every alphabet uh belt going in for this one.

I think um.

No, it’s it’s good.

How do you see everything at the moment? Uh we’ve been talking highly uh of the level of competition.

That’S it’s rising among uh, the female boxers out there, we’re really excited by what we are hearing and who we’re talking to, and that’s only going to improve.

I think this year, um and similar to the heavyweight division.

I think there’s going to be some straightening out um in in the female world um, but listen well, i’ll tell you what is interesting.

It is interesting to read the american angle on the heavyweights.

If i can just jump back for a second, because uh bob bob aaron continues to talk uh of a fight that he wants to have happen between deontay wilder and jared anderson jared, big baby, anderson uh, yes jared and yeah, i mean that’s, that’s making news over Here, uh [, Music ], it won’t happen.

If it happens, it won’t happen.

I i don’t think i i don’t.

I don’t.

I don’t even think well, there’s wilder’s gon na get back into the ring, quite frankly, but uh, but in the meantime, actually i believe in the meantime, in february, there’s another heavyweight fight, uh among two americans, uh sunny, canto and yeah.

They reported on that one, mike marshall uh anyway, yes uh, so so i think i think the americans are lining up um, a bevy of uh new heavyweight prospects uh, not because uh north american audiences are sick and tired of the shenanigans going on uh across the Pond uh, but i think in due time, uh you’re gon na you’re gon na see uh tyson fury either step aside um or this thing will battle itself out uh, but a a year to go by uh for the americans to do nothing is, is unbelievable and So that’s exactly what is happening.

The americans are uh slowly moving up their heavy weights.

Quite frankly, toe-to-toe the undefeateds are going up.

Toe-To-Toe um – and you know, i think, uh guys, like uh bob aaron are not going to sit still while eddie hearn continues to promote uh julian white and aj, and you know, speak a war of words with, and you know that whole dossier thing that that i’m Talking about came out in a social media comment that tyson fury made.

You know i mean he’s sitting there on his soapbox, saying he’ll he’ll take on anyone, but that’s not the case so anyway.

So, while all that shapes up it’s interesting to see what the americans are doing and the americans are promoting quite heavily uh, some some some names and uh anyway, i just wanted to mention that there’s a it seems like when, whenever i go to the american side Of uh things, uh they’re talking about a different group of names and when i go over across a pond – and i see what the english are talking about, for example, so i just want to mention that before we, you know talked about other people yeah the thing Over here in the uk, which is very interesting, i was having looked through this last night – is the promotional change that that’s happening.

Obviously you had boxer come along, took over sky sports they’re, doing very well um you’ve had pro bellum, i mean they’re.

The roster of fighters, which they’ve got now um is, is huge.

You know i never would have thought somebody would have said you know.

Is there room for another big promoter um to come along absolutely and give them a bit of time they’re going to be right up there? I think you’re going to have um, boxer, metro and pro bellum, that you know the leading the top three and then it’ll be seconds here as it appears uh.

You know frank warren, um, obviously mtk with the shows um, it’s and and mick hennessy as well uh.

It’S it’s weird.

I never would have thought you know.

They’Ve they’ve managed to uh to sign a lot of people and it’s good to see.

Florian marco um he’s gon na be fighting again soon.

He’S moved over to boxer uh.

I just mentioned forum because he’s one of my favorite fighters um, it’s good to see, there’s going to be announcement with him.

I’Ve just seen: natasha jonas dabubio title fights um.

This has been added to um.

I can’t read it.

It says come up as an email added to khan brook so that’s going to be obviously uh.

Sorry it’s covering the screen yeah and that’s going to be a lot of news there um if you’re, taking the news later on from the thing i can go through anything later with you if needed, there’s a lot so uh, that’s gon na, be me to the Early hours type it away, but if you, if you want to talk about uh, peculiar or funny uh in the world of boxing, i find it’s both peculiar and funny uh to see don king’s name back into the next one.

So so there’s there’s another cell that won’t go away.

You know what is don king now he’s 95 yeah exactly b5 three.

I think it is or something yes was it trevor brian versus the? What was the chap’s name? Uh jonathan jonathan jonathan guidry, yeah um, so trevor is out of uh florida and uh jonathan.

I think he’s out of louisiana, but uh anyway.

That’S the funny one that is because where’s uh emanuel charles in all of this.

He was meant to be the uh in recess or a beatrice or whatever uh all that stuff where he was frozen out by don king and everything.

With that merry-go-round situation.

Uh i mean back.

This is back to the heavyweights, but this is the heavyweight championship, but it’s not anything that we were talking about earlier.

This is obviously wba regular um yeah, it’s uh, but it goes back to what i was saying earlier about what the americans are promoting and i mean to take aside uh don king put him out the equation for one brief moment: uh trevor bryan, his record is He’S undefeated and uh jonathan he’s undefeated as well, so you’re seeing names like that being banted about more uh than than the uh the fighters names.

I think, because there seems to be such a a stalemate in over in great britain right now i mean it is as far as as far as we can tell it’s, we we when we last spoke, we were going to obviously talk about the aftermath and the Merry-Go-Round and old situation, obviously after uh fury versus wilder, it’s pretty much sort of i mean i can’t believe it was when we last spoke, but it hasn’t changed.

Really, it’s just no different.

It’S you know what is going on.

We should know more tomorrow, but then again the deadline was the deadline the other day and it’s been extended twice by the wbc, and this is the final one apparently so uh the final final yeah there we are um what they could settle.

I don’t know um.

Okay, i think the fight’s gon na happen.

I reckon it’d, be fury white, let’s talk about who will win and why.

I think okay um.

Let’S say it was happening and let’s say it was happening tonight.

I would pick dillian white.

I would think he’s in better shape, i think, he’s more hungry and he does have that knockout power and tyson fury has demonstrated that he can get hit and go down and uh and if he’s vulnerable, but he doesn’t get up and he recovers.

So anyway, that’s my two cents: uh uh.

You know, as i’ve said before, i’m not a betting man but uh.

If, if that fight were taking place today – and we were talking about it uh, i would put my money on that: dillian white, okay.

So here’s the situation, then we’ve got in your opinion.

White will beat fury now rematch, then so, let’s see how this one plays out in this uh situation.

Okay, so it looks like aj.

It appears it will be taking the rematch with you sick who will win that the last time they too, those two fought.

I picked uh aj simply because of his his reach, and i thought his reach uh would be better than the inside punching power of you.

Sick, i was wrong uh, so and what’s kind of peculiar about the a.

g situation is he’s still to my knowledge.

He still hasn’t named his trainer uh.

No, there is, i don’t remember the chap’s name, it’s not official, but it appears.

I can’t remember his name.

That has settled um anyway, sorry back with, but i think that the trainer that he selects and the team that he selects to train him uh we’ll take that now into consideration.

So i think this rematch, i think, will be won by aj this time around.

That’S my two cents going into that match.

If it happens, okay, um so aj, then against white, oh rematch, then who do you think then that that that would be a that would be a heck of a fight um, because both at that point would have an awful lot to prove uh in terms of Just the pure heavyweight championship and the legacy that goes with it um that would be a fight for the ages.

I think if they could both do what i’ve just said, what i thought would happen if that happens, uh that would be a hell of a fight at this stage.

I couldn’t pick a winner, but i might i might i might go with white again.

If i was to go out on a limb and say you know what he’s a big, powerful boy and uh you know, aj uh he’s demonstrated, he can’t lose, he is vulnerable.

So if he’s vulnerable uh does that put white in a better position? Well, as i say, it depends how he fares against fury first and foremost, but if he does farewell against fury, i you know if i were hunting, josh i’d, look out.

Okay, my world says fury beats white points.

I still think usyk will beat aj um.

I think uh there’s more.

I think aj are coming improved, but i think usyk will come in and prove the more time and the longer the delay.

Um again, usyk will be more.

His body will be more accustomed to being heavyweight, and i think that was one of the differences why you sick appear to be a lot better in the aj fight compared to the chizzora fight, because after the gizora fight he didn’t appear to have done.

You know too well, that’s why most people picked aj, but i just think that you know he came in and he was more of a heavyweight because there was what it was: a 11 11 month gap between the jazara fight and uh aj um.

I think there’s more from music as a heavyweight.

With that in mind, i think usyk will then go through to the fury fight, and that is the one that i really cannot pick a winner.

You know being used, fan fury fan like both um, but who will win? You know uh i can.

I can only say fury.

I just think you know that’s the one that i have a problem winning i like to usually be vocal with who’s gon na win and and whatever, whether it’s right right wrong, but that one i just really scratch on my head.

The question mark i have with fury is is is the way he treats his body uh between fights and i’m not so sure that the human body can go through those ups and downs right and and and remain in tip-top shape.

For these upcoming battles i mean i just can’t see it and that’s why i have my doubt uh when we do talk about uh fury going up against doing because dylan white, i’m you know i don’t know like.

Is it he’s a big boy he’s not to be taken any any less seriously than anyone else, but i just think he’s he’s going to go in there with an awful lot to prove and i just don’t think fury’s taking him as seriously as he should.

I just think that uh you’re not going to knock out fury uh.

If wilder can’t um, then white, can’t i mean heavyweight boxing or boxing in general.

I’Ve seen anything can happen, but i just don’t think it’ll happen all night and i just think maybe a sloppy points decision because of uh, maybe uh fury not on his a game.

Because of the reasons you said, you know it’s good, it could be one of those situations very much like um, ricky hatton, you cannot, you know, become big in between fights, lose all that weight and expect to be uh the same in a fight, especially as you Get older um cannot do it won’t happen, and so his body will give at some point and won’t get up from a punch, but i just don’t think it’d be the next one.

I think he’s got a fight, a couple of fights left in it, based on exactly what you said with the way he’s treating his body um, you can yeah yeah it’s uh, but i think the more i talk about it more.

I think music.

I just think he’s the one that’s got that is completely on his game in every area who is professional in every area.

The only thing that’s just not going for me.

It’S not a big punching um heavyweight, not that you have to be because he’s a um.

You know it was, you know a career-long cruiserweight um, apart from that, i just think every area with him is is is a tick, and with that in mind you know, you’ve got someone there, that’s on the game will be 100 fit will be 100.

Everything like using your examples, you know he will be completely focused – will be completely everything where fury won’t be, and that’s where the doubt comes into my mind over you know if i was pushed i’d have to say music, but i’m still, you know if it’s a 49-51, i think uh uh, good uc will um, you know possibly be be close with a bad fury.

If you look at that way, i still say i swear blind to the the fury that beats uh klitschko back, then that was him at his best masterful boxer.

How can you beat somebody that is six foot? What is he six foot, nine and boxes like that, um, the you know, the the fury now is is uh heavier and i don’t think that’s not just by choice as well, because look at the midriff that was on him in that last fight um and that’s Why i think that had a lot to do with why the third fight with boulder and uh fury was a lot closer such it wasn’t a walk over for fury like it wasn’t a second fight um a lot was it to do to do with that? An interesting thing that i watched yesterday and i know it stays in the obvious and new anyway, but it was so much more apparent i had planned in the background.

I had you know, sort of like a lot of wilder fights it just came on.

I just didn’t turn it off and i just noticed the speed was completely different prior um back then that wasn’t the case in the second or the third fight yeah.

He did well.

He was gutsy in that third fight, but the speed just wasn’t there nothing and it’s that speed that i don’t think he’s punching at full full power.

I know people are gon na, be what in that third fight, because the speed wasn’t there yeah.

He was more muscle, he he was, you know he did quite well.

He was jabbing in that first round and still obviously had power there to put fury down, but that’s not the fury us not sorry, but the wilder that we’ve been accustomed to the speed.

Isn’T there and that’s you know, he’s not a heavy-handed heavy puncher.

You know it’s speed, that’s one of his attributes that um that makes him such a hard puncher and that speed’s not there and that’s since moving up in weight.

I still think that, and obviously it’s an obvious thing that you put on weight because you’re fighting a big man like fury, but i do think you know it was.

You know apparent in the second fight unless you take the costume into consideration or being drugged or anything else, but it was apparent in the second fight and the third fight as well that he was slower.

It’S it.

It didn’t work for him um.

He should lose.

Not lose too much weights is not good.

There’S a heavyweight losing weight at the end of your career spoke about that before in my opinion, but he should just train and not particularly come in heavy.

If he fights again, he should just train and just come in whatever his body allows him to do so um, but love to see him return, because i think he’s got more to give um.

You know it’s.

You know, that’s two defeats um yeah! It’S it’s too hard defeats, but when he hasn’t been battered in fights before right, you know there isn’t high mileage and he’s not that old, so um what else is happening, um heavyweight, wise top tier you had joseph parker versus the fallout after that was people shouting For jizora to retire um, what do you make of them? Do you think you should um just based on what we’ve been talking about? I would argue now is not the time to retire uh, because there’s there’s not well.

I would argue, there’s an awful lot that could happen.

He could stand up, [ Laughter ].

He would never go to the corner, so he could actually remain up.

Okay, as we’ve often said, any anything can happen in the sport, and that does often happen.

This is an awful lot of us, so um, i’m just uh.

The only reason i’m saying that is because it’s better for him to not announce in her retirement now, because so much can change in the next three months.

Three months uh in the in the whole boxing landscape, uh, you know if it did quite frankly also it depends how wealthy he is um and one’s he’s got he’s got loads.

Well, he’s got something.

Yes, no, he hasn’t been frivolous with it he’s one, that’s retained.

It i just think that every every fighter has that went that one last fight in them – and i think that was his people were calling out.

You know for him to retire way before that.

No, he was doing well, yes, he was losing, but he was always competitive, so there wasn’t one, but i think that was the last good fight.

Now would be the the time that was yeah.

You couldn’t stand up.

That’S not a big good viewing yeah um, not a bad viewpoint from your perspective, uh, i’m just saying from the competitive landscape.

That’S out there right now.

Is there room for someone like a derek jazora to to move into that mix? I would argue the problem.

Is he won’t get paid the money he’s used to if he drops down being a gatekeeper or right, which pretty much he’s nearly become he’s virgin on that just as the gatekeeper? But that’s when the money side will, i think, for him become an issue because he’s used to be paying um.

You know big sums of money for pay-per-view events, and that won’t be the case right right right.

What else is that charles mart sorry, charles martin, also you had the fight? What was that that was um that was january, the first wasn’t it generally the first.

I think it was charles martian versus lewis ortiz.

Did you see it? Yes, um? I believe we have.

I did not see that um, but if i’m not mistaken, that was featured by mike and uh, i’m pretty sure it’s on knockout of the week, i’m pretty sure um, but anyway, you’ve caught me off guard there.

So go ahead.

Tell me about it.

Tell me your thoughts, please to me just the overall impression of the fight was that ortiz looked awfully unsteady unbalanced.

I mean finished off.

You know williams very well um, but he was looking a little bit old in that fight until we’ll get his uh own way.

I think that’s somebody that’s going to he’s going to have you know the next fight he’s going to go in with a with a top guy, he’s got to have a cash out fight, and i think he really is waiting for a cash cash-out fight um.

You know, i think, you’ll see him with somebody like joseph parker or something next.

I think that’s what you see i think he’s going to come apart.

He looked, i mean, there’s always that question mark over lewis ortiz about how old he exactly is.

Would it be 41 51, whatever um, but no he’s he’s? He was looking very, very uh to me, um unsteady general word.

I can give it um.

I thought uh martin.

I was going to win that, but he was.

He was dector a couple of times.

Um yeah, you could say that charles martin is a relatively hard puncher, but it’s just it’s the way he was reacting to some of the punches when it wasn’t even in the hard ones.

It was just the general general.

If you watch it the early early rounds.

You will see what i mean it just looked shaky unsteady, just not how it should be um.

In short, he looks old.

I think he’ll end up having a cash out fight and he will come apart.

If it’s anybody, that’s uh any good.

What else is going on um you had the tony yoga fight, which was heavyweight, which was cancelled.

Now tony yoka is agreed to fight um the unbeaten chap um, oh well.

He was he.

He was ready to fight chromosomes right, but wasn’t that wasn’t that disallowed because uh he couldn’t, he was still retained by the ibf or something like that.

Well, there was no there um the confusion with the fight and that’s what’s definitely not happening is that it was the uh who is it that’s held into a supposed, oh god, um, there’s, there’s some there’s something that he might have to not fight him and have To face somebody else, because of it come to me in a moment: um, there was something with um something to do with something like because one of them had agreed a fight before uh was it piccoli that was going to be fighting yoga um and because of The agreement or something they’re they’re trying to force the fight because it was agreed before before, moving over to the hergovich fan.

It’S something like that.

Um! It’S uh, it’s a shame, but it’s the because that was gon na be good.

But then again you know even with piccoli that’d be a good fight, um yeah, but i think you’re gon na find now because we’ve spoken at great length about what happens to all these uh, the rest of them out of that top four, the heavyweights.

You know what’s going to happen, i think now you’re going to see a lot of them actually facing off.

I think they’ve got the choice, because the problem you have is that you’ve got the two people with aj.

You’Ve got aj fighting music and you’ve got fury.

Fighting white supposedly then you’ve got the winner of those two respective fight in a unification, i’m sure with one of those there’ll be rematch claws in there.

So we’re then moving into 2023.

.

What happens to all the mandatories to all those belts, yeah yeah, exactly unless you’re going to fight nobody’s the? What i’m trying to get at here is the rest, one of the rest of the um.

You can’t say fab five.

I don’t want to call them a fat four at the moment whatever, but that that four that’s sitting at the top that could be could be tied in with um rematch clauses, because obviously uh eddie hearn with uh, obviously aj and white um.

It’S ridiculous! Then the mandatories and anything else if the mandatories are going together, looking they’re not going to get a look at until possibly 2024 with all of this right.

It’S um, you know it’s and that’s 2024 and that’s the mandatory, so the rest of them have got to start fighting each other and there’s going to be some good fights, i think, involved involving joseph parker.

He doesn’t mind, it appears to be fighting um.

You know the good guys he’s fortunes or he’s for white um.

I think you’ll see him in some some good fights and i think they’re going to be facing off.

I think you’re going to see fighters like, for example, hergovich joker that have been taking it easy.

They claim uh not being able to to get the fights, but, regardless of the reason um, i think you see that a lot of good um fights that heavyweight are going to take place between the leading contenders.

That is going to happen for once it’s needed, but i think they’ve got no choice because that’s good okay! So right, let’s say that whoever fights! Let’S go back to that that this fab four thing with the guys at the top right you’ve got a fight that will happen, whoever fights, whoever that’s gon na, be because it’s gon na be a big fight.

That’S gon na be summer a summer blockbuster right and then you’ve got the other fight as well.

Let’S say that happens december, so they fight off unification, you’re looking 20 2023, probably looking at may june, as well rematch clause going going to 2024.

But what happened to the mandatories god? If i was the i was about to say if i was the manager of x y, i said whoever the mandatory is and they’re not getting their their their fight, i’d be going mad, but it’s a very difficult situation.

It’S not as easy as that.

I hear people saying that it’s not as easy as that with all the politics and how it all works, no way um.

I just think we’ve got to fight yeah, suck it and see um the only one i think.

What’S gon na happen next with the wba regular? Is that uh assuming trevor bryan does win? I think he’ll be facing um uk guy um jeepers.

He says the man, that’s uh off the drugs and got ta clear head, not um.

I think he’ll be facing all right.

The winner that was, i was hoping daniel was gon na, be actually fighting uh trevor bryan.

I thought that was gon na happen.

It didn’t um, so that should happen unless you get any issue from um manual char and all that legal situation, blah blah blah with all of that um.

I think you find daniel de barbie, the next next in line, which i think um will be a daniel dubois win.

So i think you’ll find then that wba regular belt is going to be an active belt for the rest uh, because that opens up rematches with joe joyce.

All sorts of stuff do excuse my ever moving camera because i’m not properly set up.

I’Ve got a dock.

Uh charger, cable here and uh right on right on hey.

Let me pay attention because she’s not had me around today.

That’S all right: let’s, let’s switch divisions and uh.

Maybe you know we’ve been talking for a while about the heavyweights: hey! Okay! What do you think? Let’S go downstairs and cruise away well.

Well, i i was gon na.

I was.

I wanted everyone before we were.

I wanted your opinion on the amir khan and kel brooke fight coming up: okay, um! What’S your opinion? First uh, i’m gon na pick, kel brooke um.

I’M i’m not so convinced that amir khan can come back and i believe he’s known for having a glass chin, uh so uh anyway, uh just from one of wrestling really really weather bread uh.

But no, i’m i’m looking forward to that fight um.

That should be a good one.

Um i was i was.

I was surprised speaking about what i read.

I was surprised to hear uh that it sold out in something like 10 minutes like yes like wow, because i actually didn’t.

I actually didn’t think that those two fighters would have that drawing power but good on them.

Yeah.

It’S a shame, that’s a shame.

It didn’t happen say six seven years ago, um.

If it would have happened back, then i think personally, um brooke would have had a little bit too much for the khan.

He was that little bit more sturdier, you know he’s he ticks the boxes in in.

I think most of them brooke does um.

Unless amir khan could have uh boxed and kept out the way for for 12 rounds, but now you know with it being a situation of who’s got what left, which it really is a case of um.

I initially thought brooke would have won this, but i do think with the facial damage which um cole brooke has got.

I think if khan could stay away for a period of time, land enough um hard punches in that period of time.

I think you’re gon na get some kind of pull out um or something from from brooke, because i think you know.

For example, i mean when brook fought crawford in his last fight.

He was actually doing quite well until he got hit and you the way he got hit in the head.

Obviously, with that situation, with his fractured eye socket with the brace that’s been fitted, there um it’s as if the ice socket got hit, bang and that was it end of the fight.

The reaction to it was was bad and i just think it’s not gon na.

Quite happen, maybe in that way, but i think you’ll find that i, my my prediction for that is um amir khan, with a injury victory unless khan gets caught, which uh yeah, because kell brook did look good against crawford.

It’S a shame about the eye socket because he he did.

He was doing very well against him.

You know and if in a way it’s quite easy for me to gauge who’s got what and how it can be because of both their both last fight was against crawford both of them.

So you know um and to me you know, brooke was doing better against crawford than khan.

Did khan just seemed all out of sorts from the opening bell um, but i just think with that that damage with the the way that that crawford fight finished.

I think that is going to be the um, the right and honorable.

I think with that that fight with with who wins it’s um, do you think, do you think we’ll see crawford go up against spence i’d love to see it um? Something tells me no.

The money’s going to be there the the public demand, for it is certainly there there’s something that i don’t know spence possibly be moving up.

But then there’s been talks of uh talks of crawford moving up, which would be a shame if he left the division, because um josh taylor, after his fight with jack cattle, is more likely going to be moving up after that and his eye is on crawford um.

I just think that um some reason i just can’t see it happening, there’s going to be some stumbling block.

It’S a gut feeling um, it’s gon na, be a fight that so many people want for the obvious reason, i just don’t think it’s gon na happen.

Would it be promotional, or is this gon na be one of those fights one of those good fights? That would never happen, or it happened in six and seven years time like brook and carl, maybe not but uh.

I just think it’d be one of those good fights you you’ve, never seen, which is, which is a shame um.

But if uh, you know just josh teeth in josh taylor moves up a division um.

That would be a good fight, because josh taylor is obviously on fire.

What a fighter is it’s a shame, um for jack castle, because um, you know, he’s a good fighter, but you know you’ve got somebody there, that’s uh! You know this is a a b minus fighter against an a plus fighter.

It’S uh yeah cattle’s good.

You know he’s uh, but there’s nothing there at all.

He’S got nothing.

You know in his game or physically or any way.

There’S nothing he’s got an advantage.

You know taylor, you know you know with that fight.

It’S just got every single advantage and then that’s just uh.

It’S a shame.

Uh had a good chat with castro with the uh, the press conference and really nice chap just had josh taylor’s but um.

I just think that’s a foregone conclusion, which is a shame.

You know on paper, both undefeated, but it’s it’s a good fighter against the great fighter but uh back to crawford yep.

I think that would be how i see the immediate future big fights with with crawford.

I think he’ll end up going against taylor.

Taylor move up next division.

Well before i sidetrack you, we were going to have a chit chat about the cruisers um uh, i mean other than other than now.

What’S his name uh brandy’s uh getting that tattoo because he wanted to fight jake paul other than that, the rock that dropped off yeah other than that.

What do we got? We got uh lauren to cauley um yeah he’s up against the the polish guy on the 27th.

That would be a good fight.

Is that your unification faith, no um macau, uh mikhail shishlak, always got his name wrong.

He’S lost once polish uh has lost once to elonga makabu um, and that was on on points very good.

Fine um seems really up for that.

I’Ve got an interview with him.

I must get that uh put up i’ll, probably do that one tomorrow, because i’ve got an interview with a few fighters from today um, but he’s really up for this he’s.

Just it was a good fight with macabu.

That would be a good one uh, because cole’s last fight was a bit of an easy walk over koley’s looking good.

He was um first off, he was very sort of to me.

He was very um, hot and cold with his performances, but now he’s on a good streak, uh since becoming champion, but i think you’ll see um.

He move up in wait.

I think he’ll join the heavyweights.

Uh eventually he’s got the frame for it.

I think he, let’s talk of him long term, moving up now with the cruiserweights.

That’S the reason why i wanted to talk about it because it brings in a good name or the biggest name, because you’ve got lanka makabu fighting.

Obviously this saturday, assuming he retains which he should do, he wondered the first match, with the other chap.

Obviously, you’ve got canelo where it’s agreed verbally agreed between the fighters and the wbc have given the green light for him to move up uh and cherry pick.

Um.

Sorry to uh i didn’t say that to challenge makabu um, which i mean: how do you see that uh i like canelo a lot and i will i’ll support him uh.

I would pick him um if he’s going to move up and he’s going to challenge him.

Great go go for it, but i would pick canelo he’s a really strong fighter.

He’S really tough and i really like his personality as well, so on both sides of the fence and outside the ring.

I like that canelo.

It’S just a shame that a lot of people have been bashing him.

We included work for saying he does cherry pick his opponents.

Yes, he does, and people are really laying into him with that.

Okay, but i do draw a line because the end of the guessing cherry picks his opponents um, but he’s not the first one to do this.

You know you had go back to got 19 88 sugar ray leonard when he challenged sorry.

When uh he fought um donnie lalonde, you know he he was fighting donald.

He was the light heavyweight champion, but you know he picked him freezing because he thought he could beat him.

He even dragged him down to catch weight because that pipe was a catch weight between super middle and light heavy, with both the super middle and the light heavyweight uh belts which are on the line, but sugar ray did it.

You know he picked haggler at the right moment.

You know the that fight could have been made earlier.

You know, they’ve all been nasty and people talk about canelo cherry picking like it’s never happened before.

No, it does does happen.

I mean you can even accuse mayweather as much as his resume is absolutely about the best you can get.

You know he even picked off kennel at the right time, because that would have been a better fight.

Had you know, uh cantaloupe, being a little bit older.

Um he picked him at the right time before he was.

You know an eight-plus fighter, for example.

It’S nothing, it’s nothing new, but it’s just a shame because there’s there’s other fights out there at the weights he’s been in and – and it’s very very, very blatant with what he’s doing and i think personally, that’s going to tarnish what could be the best ever legacy.

Maybe um better than mayweather’s, i think, but it’s going to be, you know tainted by the extreme cherry-picking which he’s doing you know he’s not fighting boxers people fighters that will move.

It was, after god, i’d have to bring up the um the record of uh canelo.

He thought god who was it um another day there was a fight report and it was a hard fight, because the guy was a mover and ever since then he’s kept away from anybody that can box, and that’s why you will see that the majority of the Fighters that canelo has fought, i’m not going down a a racial lane.

You you’ll see what i mean in a moment have been majority white europeans fighters.

That would stand up if you go through his record white europeans that stand up and fight.

That will give him a fight, because kenlo is strong.

This is like a little ball and he’s so effective against those fighters, and the time that canelo will lose would be over points against a boxer, but you go through.

If you go through this record later and see, but it was with the exception of one, since i think you can even say since mayweather, i think, with the exception of one or two, maybe since mayweather they’ve all been quite european okay, you could say that plant Wasn’T european because white? He was um check it out later and you will see because they stand and fight and he likes a fight that he will win against a fighter.

Well, this is timely because hasn’t eddie hearn stepped into this ring.

Hasn’T he offered um several fighters to go he’s offered triple g he’s offered.

I don’t know if he’s offered jamal charlo, but there are some fighters names uh.

Now now what about another guy bible he’s got these bible’s name centered the ring absolutely see see.

Beverly will stand there and fight these these fighters that he’s interested in bevel is more of a boxer.

But again i know his world champion.

You can’t say he’s not good, but he’s one of the weaker champions.

You know you know: okay, one of those situations with canelo when he fought um, crusher, um kovalev.

You know kovlev was at the end of his career and that fight was a real short period after the fight when he nearly lost to answer the yard.

That was completely cherry picked.

For that reason, the turnaround i can’t remember what the gap was in between the the the two fights would have very very short.

You know the mukabu fight in makabu was knocked out into by tony bellu um.

You know he’s beatable.

He could be knocked out and he stands and fights that’s why macabre has been zeroed in on.

Yes, it’s good that end of the day can low turn pro is a light.

Middleweight and gon na span probably be a champion a cruiserweight.

You won’t see him defend it.

You know, you won’t see, he hasn’t done.

Many mandatories, where you know the governing body’s gone.

You’Ve got to fight this person, it’s been who he wants to fight to the extreme of.

If you remember, he fought um anthony eudiran.

So many fights ago he actually asked the w was the wbc whatever.

If that could be the next fight, you actually ask them, can you put him in as mandatory, so i have to defend against him, so it can’t be looked at off another weak opponent.

That was picked upon because it was a weak opponent, no disrespect, because it takes you know such as such to get into the ring, etc, but we’re just talking about it because of that’s the way it is.

He is a weaker fighter in this top tier professional game.

Anthony you don’t know disrespect um.

He was knocked out in what’s it three rounds or something by chris eubank um, but he actually asked the wbc to install him as the mandatory, crazy, wow well you’re.

Personally, reversing my you’re you’re you’re bursting my canelo bubble here.

Sorry um the record later on.

It’S not you know, i could say he only fights white fighters.

It’S not quite like that.

It’S near enough, but white european, because you know the stereotypical stand up.

You know they they’re, not movers, go through the record later on and you will see what i mean all right.

So you think you’d have trouble, then with uh general charlo type fighter, yes, uh a box fighter or the more the person will box um.

Okay, somebody could argue that on a second billy, joe saunders, um uh was a boxer.

Well billy joe saunders wasn’t very effective at super midway.

Ever ever since he moved from middleweight.

He hadn’t done particularly very well um.

He wasn’t the same um again.

There was a reason why cantaloupe, you know, fought him um, but even you know, billy joe saunders in a in a division.

He wasn’t particularly effective at did have some good success in that fight, but that’s as much as a a boxer that you will get.

He will struggle with somebody and he will get that’s what he struggles with go through the record you’ll see what i mean: let’s uh, let’s, let’s come full circle because we’re running out of time here, let’s come full circle, then who do you got in this uh? Chris eubank junior fight, then chris eubank, junior and uh williams.

He got there um eubank.

I think i think it’d be a good fight.

Um problem problem with eubank is that he uh love.

Him is a guy why people hate on the chapel really don’t know really like him, um loved his dad.

He i always get the impression from eubank there’s more to come or he’s got a fifth gear.

He only uses three of them.

Don’T know why and i think that will be a question that is going to still linger there um after he retires he.

I think there is a brilliant fight left in him.

Some uh not left in him, but i think, there’s a real good performance within him.

For example, if you did match him up with somebody like triple g as much as triple g’s at the end of his career, blah blah blah.

Therefore, taking i think if you put it wouldn’t be, i don’t think – and i highly rate ggg very much so we could put chris eubank in with something like that and i think that’s the kind of fighter that would spring the upset back to against williams.

Williams.

Is a good fighter um, but he is a like middle moving up, not as effective.

Yes, he did it.

He did quite well again so there’s a gutsy performance against um uh.

Last night, the wbo challenge um.

Oh, i saw my brain’s personal today, uh andre um, but you you bank, should nick it on points.

There’S there’s nothing to say, stoppage um, you know even past couple of fights, eubank’s not seemed.

I don’t know the better.

The opponent, i think, very much so the better the opposition, the better you will see, eubank, there’s no miles on the clock.

Um.

There is, and my little crystal ball out that we we speak about with our crystal balls.

I think you’re gon na see him at some point in a top top fight um.

You know with a supposed top fighter and i think you see him victorious and he’s going to shut up a lot of people.

I do think there’s something within him, but for whatever reason he doesn’t show it um it’s frustrating at times.

Well, we definitely have some really good fights coming up.

That’S for sure i mean uh you so so are they i’m guessing uh the covet restrictions are being eased up uh over there in the uk.

Funny thing the it’s.

The reason why it was um suspended in january when no other sport.

As far as i i heard was, what i do follow, any other sports was suspended was to ease the um paramedic um staff right because of the threat with how busy it is etcetera.

That was the reason that was given from the business boxing border control um and that’s it fair breeze, all back to normal.

Hopefully, fingers crossed touch wood.

All the rest of it uk is looking good.

You know it’s other countries which are not doing so well at the moment, uh, which is a shame um, which countries are doing bad at the moment.

Uh with omicron isn’t new zealand’s one of them.

There’S australia as well regardless.

It’S it’s a shame but uk over here it’s um um yeah.

It’S improving.

It appears to be over the hill, but things are being eased off the restrictions over here of uh higgsdoff, so uh.

Yes, i thought it was going to be cancelled again, but that was already canceled twice the chris eubank fight you’re right, but yes, um.

It’S going to be an illiterate view, isn’t it yep.

So with that said i can carry on.

But if you need to go, we can uh yeah.

I don’t know we can pick this up again next week because we’ll have some results in and we’ll have some updates absolutely there’s a lot happening as we move into moving into february, and people are now confident because of those motors didn’t want.

To put you know everything down on the table because of the uncertainty that was, you know happening over here now that it appears to be.

You know february’s fine, we’re over that peak.

It’S now: bang, bang, bang, bang and i’m you’re going to see on this website later.

There’S gon na be a lot of updates.

There’S a lot.

I’Ve seen stuff flashing up on the phone um god.

I’Ve got a lot of work to do tonight.

Um yeah! It’S you know: uh, that’s my fault going to a press conference, but hey ho um yeah.

It’S good boxing is back.

Certainly in the uk worldwide um yeah yeah, as you were, mentioning uh on your own website.

Uh, it’s good to see.

Uh fights around the world, especially in africa, i’m seeing more and more action, uh yeah, there’s one of them in nigeria as well and yeah.

This is tanzania uh, so this is good for boxing.

This is good for boxing yeah.

No, it’s looking good.

It’S anyone that says that uh boxing is is dead.

I’Ve heard too much of that.

Well, look! If you look at how much the top tier boxes have been paid compared to ufc.

It’S no comparison! No comparison! The money is still there very much there, you know.

Yes, you do get peaks and troughs it’s not quite like how it was popularity.

You know wise, like it was in the 90s, but any sport.

Anything like this is up and down yeah, but i think it’s it’s on the way up or it’s not particularly on the way down for it to go up.

No, the money’s there what’s the problem, i don’t get it when people go.

Oh, you see ufc ufc, don’t mind watching it, but so now the money’s in boxing well, how much is what’s his name in garno or the top guy that won? Was he paid something so many hundred thousand and what’s what is the the top overweight champ in boxing yeah wow says books instead? No, no! No! No! No! No! It’S all good uh! Quite frankly – and it’s interesting interesting to see jake paul, investing in uh, ufc and uh to make to make sure that the those poor you you frozen, i thought, if it’s me or you invested in ufc and uh to make sure that the ufc fighters get their Just due it, in fact, doesn’t i apologize but uh, i’m back okay.

I was just just mentioning i’m just mentioning that jake paul’s invested in ufc and that the fighters get their just due uh, but even with his input, as has been proven that it won’t be enough.

I don’t think so.

Meanwhile, boxing uh moves forward and is ending a great, a great phase.

I think 2022 is gon na be a fantastic year.

I’M looking forward to all these fights about today and uh, and the many more that you’re about to unload on us yeah well next week when we speak i’ll, be uh normal set up i’ll, be not just coming through the front door with not knowing.

What’S going on in the day it’s all coming through now, i’ve got to go through it all um yeah, with a bit of a better chat instead of just uh um off the cuff one.