Gennady GGG Golovkin vs Ryōta Murata | The Scorecard with Cedric Benn | Talkin Fight

Cedric shares his scorecard of the Gennady GGG Golovkin vs Ryōta Murata fight.

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All right all right all right! Welcome back to the boxing scorecard.

I am your host cedric bend and i’m joined by my man, luki and future world champion here, cj um.

We got a few fights to go through here, uh.

First of all, luki.

Thank you for joining me.

I really respect your boxing mind.

I’Ve been following you for a while and that’s the reason why i asked you to come on the show today, um.

First of all, let people know where they can follow you on uh, on youtube and um, and on twitter and wherever well first off.

Thank you for having me on, and also i’m a big fan of cj.

Now i liked his little his gesture.

He made i’m pretty intimidated.

You can find me on itrboxing.

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We got a youtube channel as well.

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If you type in lucky boxing, there’s a form of that try to record three hours of audio content with interviews and previews for just fight fanatics, so that’s basically sums up everything i do there.

You go so if you’re, a serious boxing fan you’re, just in general, make sure you follow them and keep up to date all right, let’s get right into it, um those three fights specifically.

I want to get into um, specifically talking about triple g versus murata.

First of all, um good fight for triple g um.

Well, the official i should have got the official scorecard.

I don’t, but my official scorecard going into that ninth round was uh 78.

74 for triple g.

I thought the first half of the fight uh.

Well, sorry, you’re! The guest i’ll, let you give your your uh, your announce your analysis.

First, okay! Well, i feel honored.

You know i get to do the take.

I mean pretty easy fight.

I feel the score uh first round, i think, went to golovkin.

I’D say it was a swing round, but i think golovkin was probably a little bit more effective.

I think if you’re coaching, murad or coaching golovkin, that would be one i’d, be like fighting in someone else’s country.

That could be a shaky round if the fight gets close, i’m maybe a little too generous to the pressure morata put on, but i thought rounds.

Two three and four went to murata and i thought in five golovkin completely took over the fight.

I think it was.

He has an amazing jab, his power kind of was on full display, where morata was able to stand in front of him for four rounds at the fifth round.

He’S like dude.

This guy hits really hard started to not want to do it and i’d say from rounds five until the point of the stoppage which off the top of my head, i believe, was ninth.

That was basically all golovkin and it was kind of gearing towards there’s going to be an inevitable stoppage was what i got around round: seven, where it’s like we’re getting to the point where i don’t think morata can make it to that.

Yes, yes, around yeah around exactly around seven eight is where um, just just the body language for mirada, with their hands up and not really returning fire more in like a survival mode.

Like you know, i’m i’m not gon na.

Take any risks by the same, i’m just gon na focus on making sure you don’t knock me out, um, that’s what his body language was showing.

I thought i thought he actually looked good in the first couple of rounds.

I still gave the first two rounds to to triple g.

I specifically gave rounds three and four uh to maratha.

My quick notes was uh.

Morata won that round.

With this pressure, i thought it was clear for morata um in the fourth round, specifically uh.

My notes where now it looks like triple g is backing up.

Yeah, that’s what it was in the first couple of rounds.

Triple g was, like you said he was.

He was kind of going a little bit slower backing up, but it looked like he was backing up at his own because he wanted to just uh just to kind of see what was going on, but in round four i felt that it was suspicious.

He was backing up not because he wanted to, but because morata was forcing him to with his with his extra pressure um, but still he the punches that triple g was landing, were definitely more effective um, so that that’s what i thought the difference was.

So you know, like you said around the sixth or seventh round, is when um, you know those, though the punch effectiveness was really getting to murata and uh yeah and uh.

That was the beginning of the end and then and that’s it was that last punch in that ninth round, that that really stopped it.

I thought it was a good stoppage by his corner um.

I really respect the coaches that you know, don’t just let their guy go to the end.

Just just for pride sakes um, you know you got ta really think about their future, not about just the the money.

So i really respect miranda’s quarter for throwing in a towel when they did um.

Where do both guys go from here? Let’S start with murata.

First he’s 36 years old, he also came off of a long layoff.

Where does he go from here? Oh just before i jump into that, i just want to add one little thing why i gave the second round to murata was his bodywork? You know the body shots.

I think that a lot of times we’re talking about the pressure, but it seems like morata, had studied fights like willie monroe, jr and other fights where golovkin was receptive to body punching.

So i think i was scoring towards those body shots um early in the fight where murata goes, uh really famous japanese fighter, one of the most critically acclaimed japanese fighters, just more fights where he just fights in big arenas and he’s the guy that fought golovkin and Won a gold medal and had a world title for a time, just really famous guy fights so whoever’s at or around i mean here’s, a good fight that i think, would be a good fight.

How about kim versus chris eubank jr that’s kind of like the same tier of fighter, and that would be a fun exciting.

That’S the kind of fights that i think that mirada’s at at this point, yeah yeah that would uh.

That would definitely make sense, especially especially at uh at 36 years old um.

You know you want to.

You know, make as much of your financial financially as you can your last couple of years as a professional also going back to the to the fight.

I always remind people this app um, i don’t know if you have an iphone, it’s only called judge pad.

You can only get it on on iphones, but i really appreciate it because you actually make notes in between rounds and actually mark which rounds you thought were close rounds um round five and six i’ve specifically marked those as close rounds.

My notes for round five uh morata, first half ggc ggg, set f this and tries to pull bullion with the two arm shove, not the two arm, like obviously in boxing, you can’t, like literally, extend your arms and shove someone out but, like you know, sometimes when They’Re kind of inside just kind of like just to get them off you.

It’S not full extension.

Your arms just kind of kind of push them um kind of a a bullying tactic just to be like f, you get the f off me at the same time.

If you do that too much, that will make your that builds up the lactic acid in your arm.

So you don’t want to do that too much.

But it’s just kind of a sign to show you like you’re not going to be pushing me around and i’m coming back so ggg start to do that and and his effectiveness start to come back um landing yeah like i said, gg landing a little bit more In round six um, like i said, i marked both of those as close rounds, but even though i gave them both the triple g round, six, i wrote very close was almost a 10 10.

But if you get your mouthpiece knocked out, it should be a 10-8 round uh.

So that’s what i thought about about that one there.

I think.

That’S a new rule.

If you hit somebody so hard that their mouthpiece gets knocked out, it should be considered considered almost as a knock down.

If you know if it counts, as effectiveness of the punch, um so anyways i i talked about.

Where does morata go from here? I agree with that assessment.

You know, he’s he’s a he’s a star in japan, so try to financially capitalize off that and you banks would make sense in japan or over in uh in uh in the uk.

Probably he’s got ta do it in japan.

Like i mean, maybe he does in the uk, i mean we’re looking at a guy who, if he leaves japan, he’s pretty irrelevant, but if he’s in japan he’s one of their major sports athletes, so i mean i’d assume anyone that fights him in japan is on Pay-Per-View and it’s like, if you fight him in the uk, it’s a domestic level fight has to be in japan, pretty fun fighter right, just loads up on punches and walks forward.

So i mean, if you match him accordingly, he’s the kind of guy that can be in some fight of the years.

He’S got what maybe two fights left, so i mean yeah at 30.

So how old is eubanks late 20 younger younger, but i mean he’s like the thing with eubanks.

Is we’re not sure the talent is there, but he’s a really good athlete and he trains really hard.

We just have never seen him kind of rise to those moments and fight an elite level fighter, and that offers him a chance to kind of get that respect.

He hasn’t quite ever gotten in boxing by beating an a to your opponent, so i mean, i think to me that would be the most realistic win for eubank would be a murata [, Music ] yeah yeah.

I could definitely see that i could fbc that um yeah uh now for mr golovkin, of course, this sets up uh the the trilogy we match with canelo.

I don’t know man, i don’t know.

I don’t know how that’s gon na that’s gon na go.

You know you never know triple.

G is one of those guys.

Obviously i’ve never personally met him, but um, i’m just assuming that you know he.

He lives a a a healthy lifestyle outside of the sport.

When he’s not fighting, i’m assuming he’s not probably partying and drinking like some of these guys doing get really out of shape.

So you know, even though his 40 might be a different 40.

It’S still 40.

, you know not even michael jordan was the same athlete at 40 years old um.

So i i really don’t know what my prediction is for uh for the for the canelo for the canelo fight, especially with with uh.

You know he looks a little bit shaky in the first couple of rounds with mirada that was canelo.

I don’t know if that would you know if that would be the same same thing, what’s uh, what’s your analysis, for that i mean it’s probably gon na be a really boring fight like whenever we get these fights, where there’s a lot of tension and trash talk And stuff we tend up to get a lot of staring at each other and a lot of pride on the line and a lot of things that don’t provide a lot of action.

The action for this fight is going to be geniuses.

Talking about the negotiation leverage and this guy paying this much and the fight week trash talk.

But i think when we get in the ring you’re going to see golovkin trying to fight a very tactical fight.

Where he’s trying to win eight rounds and preserve himself.

And i think canelo, who has a ton of power is also going to not just want to just walk into golovkin’s power, because if golovkin’s going to re-emerge as the old golovkin, it would be for canelo.

So i think what you’re going to see in that fight? Would be two guys who don’t want to lose to the other guy and when you have those type of fights, there’s a lot of moments where nothing’s happening? Would there be a little bit more um pressure on canelo to finish him off being that gg triple g? Is 40 years old and slightly slowing down um [, Music ], you know if triple g pulls that one out that would be a bigger that would be a bigger win for it for triple g, as opposed to uh a win for canelo.

I think i mean i don’t think so i don’t think like, so i think the fans like the fans are gon na always make opinions right and it’s great.

The fans have opinions.

I love when fans have opinions, but i think the consensus feeling will be like canelo is gon na stop golovkin, but we keep forgetting.

No one has dropped golovkin, so it’s like at just because he’s 40 nobody’s dropping him.

Yet and yet there’s this consensus feeling oh canelo’s gon na stop him, and it’s like, i don’t see like if golovkin’s this close to the end of his career yeah.

Even if he’s losing, i feel like his goal, would be i’m not getting stopped in this fight, and i feel like it’s kind of strange, that there’s this consensus feeling like okay, he’s slowing down he, the guy, that’s never gotten dropped before is gon na get knocked Out by this generational, probably the best mexican fighter – it’s just kind of it shows you how people’s fandom and their love of the sport can kind of overtake them in moments yeah.

But in that fight i think it’s actually what i would call a trap fight, because i think golovkin’s going to enter super motivated and canelo actually might be over it, because canelo’s basically gotten his praises for beating golovkin and doesn’t really need to do it again.

This fight is more so a favor for golovkin, who feels he has unfinished business with canelo.

Canelo would rather ride off into the sunset because he doesn’t really earn an even if he stopped golovkin, which would be amazing.

Nobody’S gon na really give him credit for stopping a 40 year old golovkin.

This is all golovkin’s opportunity, exactly yeah yeah yeah golovkin is the has the yeah.

This is his big opportunity and it’s kind of his whole career has kind of been based off uh waiting for canelo staying at 160 60 pounds for all those years, waiting for canelo and finally getting those two shots now waiting for canelo again.

So this is uh.

You know he’s focused, and i was listening to your your show with the with the mr montero and how in depth you know he was with with triple g and um just how different he is.

His mentality is as early in his career.

He was more laffy and jokey and the ha ha triple g and now he’s he’s more serious, which is what his his character is the whole time.

So i’m i you know, that’s that’s the thing that makes me believe, um opposite to what a lot of people are saying about him, getting stopped this this.

You know this motivation, this extra seriousness that he has you know he doesn’t really do any interviews anymore and when he does he’s not laughing you’re.

Joking he’s just all serious business um this this.

You know you know what i’m going to say it right now triple g with the upset like i want that to happen.

I don’t want to sound like canelo hater, but it’s like there’s a part of me that would like because i look, i was never the biggest golovkin guy, but i wanted to bring montero on because he covered him and i think that, like sometimes we forget what Golovkin was, he is a hall of fame fighter he’s one of the most feared punchers of his era.

Yeah? Is he bernard hopkins? No is he james tony no, but was he very for like because i think what what turned me off at a point was people like he’s he’s marvin hagler well, he’s marvin hagler, that’s yeah, you’re 100 right! Is that at some point in time it wasn’t him that turned me off? It was the the the fandom around him like saying you know.

I’Ve seen i’ve seen a couple of of lists that had him ranked higher than like uh, bernard hopkins and and roy jones and these people at 160, and i was like this – is getting out of hand.

So that’s but you’re right on his rise.

I think he had like 33 some 30 some stoppages in a row like i don’t i don’t even care if it’s 33 bums in a row, you threw up that many people stopped that many people in a row that is very impressive, so yeah his rise to The top was very impressive and i think he’s burned out right, because i think i thought that he beat canelo two times.

A lot of people feel that canelo got the second fight.

I thought that he barely beat him in the second fight, and i think that he just feels like boxing is corrupt and he’s over it.

And i think that the only fight that like when i watched him versus morata and these other guys, golovkin’s being a professional.

But he seems very disinterested from the media to the fight like it felt like until there was urgency and he was getting a fight thrown at him.

He was like i’m gon na do whatever and then it’s like morata probably landed.

Something he’s like.

Oh, like you said he pushed him he’s like now.

I got ta beat you up yeah now i got to beat you up, because this is getting annoying.

It’S a little too competitive, but you’re not seeing like um with edgar berlanga right.

Berlin has gone in the rain, the last two fights and i don’t see him believing his power the way he believed in his power when he fought some of these guys earlier, and it’s just more of a psychological change than it is a physical change.

He doesn’t think when, when the punch lands, when he throws the big right hand berlinga, i see him going.

Oh no is this going to land the right way, as opposed to when i land this this guy’s out and i’m going to be doing the monsta and all this yeah very interesting about bralanga um.

My analysis with that, specifically that last fight it was, and it was, is when i listened to his interview after the fight that kind of made me question, because he he was kind of blaming.

Whenever fighters blamed, the opponent like whenever power punches, don’t get a knockout and they blame the opponent for running.

That makes me kind of question like if that’s all you’re, relying on like there’s other ways that you can set it up.

As far as cutting the person off or using your jab more and that fight specifically, where belonging like burlingame and roles just about lives for 45 minutes from here, um burlingame, looked like he was literally literally just following him around, like just looked like, he was expecting Rose just to stand in that spot, he said.

Look when he fought triple g.

He just stood there.

He just stood there.

He was expecting that his opponent just to stand like a heavy bag so that he could do that and when he had to work for it.

That was the frustrating part like he couldn’t.

He didn’t like, as if he didn’t really work on cutting the person off or using his jab like in training camp.

All they just worked on was that was that knockout punch, i think andre ward said it to us.

Like you know, if you, everyone could be telling you the right things like i’m sure people are telling them the right things, but if this is all kind of like wilder that’s this is all.

Has that’s been working for you, people are telling me yeah move your head, jab jab.

I understand it, but i just know as soon as i touch this guy he’s gon na feel it, and if this doesn’t work you know if you weren’t focused on those other things.

That’S um.

You know, that’s that! That’S where i think berlanga’s frustration came out.

Uh.

I mean that’s normal right, like if you’re a human being and you see a result and the result works and the result gets you a million dollars or a ton of money.

Why? Wouldn’T you think that way? You’Re, like okay, i have to kind of think all this stuff, but when i land this thing, everyone loves it right.

Yes – and we saw that last night with king rye, king ryan can’t cut the ring off he’s following my man.

Tago around the ring and all he’s doing is looking for power punches he’s, throwing a very low output of punches for a young fighter, he’s not setting punches up and when he landed the right hand.

What was the first thing that happened? He stepped in lost his distance and i think that a lot of people with ryan being put on that level with guys like devin haney, who, i think is a very, very elite fighter, cambosis elite fighter.

Teofimo he’s not passing the eye test, the way that even guys like tank who people can question his resume.

You can’t question it the way they look in the ring with ryan there’s still a lot of stuff.

I feel like he still feels like a prospect or a fringe contender compared to these other guys that look like stars for what you just pointed out.

He does a lot of going on walks with fighters.

He just follows him around the ring.

Where do you want to go bro i’ll? Just follow you yeah yeah yeah! You got to work on that.

Speaking of speaking of garcia, he’s going to be interesting too.

He can’t take another.

He wants to be in the mix needs to be more more active.

You guys talked about this on your on.

Your last show too, it’s not like it’s past couple years.

You’Ve just been living off the the the popularity, but in the ring you know that that’s just gon na catch up to you um, so this year he needs to put still it’s only april right now.

He needs to fight another at least one more time this year.

I know this era the superstars only fight once or twice a year, but for him to get back into the mix he needs to try to get at least two more, maybe one in august and another one in december, or something like that just to get realistically Back in the mix, i know socially socially he’s in the mix, but realistically back in the mix of of content.

That was our conversation right.

Does he just want to be a star? Is it like going to see katy perry and are we going to a concert? It’S like it’s ryan, garcia, i’m gon na bring a girl with me.

You follow him, he’s really hot right.

Let’S see him knock someone out or are you saying i want to be like sugar ray leonard? I want to be like ray robinson.

I won’t be like all these great fighters, and i want to not just because this is a big thing.

Do you want to be in compared to the greats, or do you want to make money? Because that’s two different things: potentially, you could make a ton of money, but don’t mention your name amongst the greats.

If that’s your path and because and speaking of that, if he like not can be, you know, he’s not skill-wise compared to oscar de la hoya but like if he can focus on the boxing part and be up there and legitly be in the conversation with those Best guys, with his social media status, that financially will uh will help him boost him up even more so that’s you know, that’s what he should be well.

My man cedric not to step over your toes on your show, but i just did it is that um in this age you don’t need talent, you just got to be hot, that’s what an influencer is, so you don’t have to have talent.

You just got to be hot, so now it’s like he is the oscar de la hoya of now, because it people don’t even know who the gold medalists and the olympics are.

They know the hot people, so it’s like in this era.

You don’t have to be talented to be notable, so when people laugh that he’s like de la hoya, i say he’s exactly like de la hoya, because we live in an era where we don’t reward talent.

We don’t reward accomplishment, we just reward.

Are you hot? Are you willing to do something shocking and jarring to get lots of people to tune in that is our new currency of talent, you’re, right, you’re, right because um, something as as pure and just off the top of my head? Because i’m just listening, you brought it up the other day.

Um one of the most greatest boxing displays that nobody talks about was what reagano did to donaire.

But you know most people that the narrative behind that is that it was a boring fight, but man with it way that rigged now just simply dismantled donaire still in his prime.

It’S one of the most underrated boxing displays of a fight that uh and then it was slandered.

All these writers are going.

Oh, my god.

This was a and it’s like it’s for a pure boxing standpoint.

You have a guy who’s, naturally literally been one of the biggest punchers.

Historically at this weight, class and reagan, dial puts forth one of the most elaborate master boxing classes ever and basically american media said this.

Guy’S awful and yeah like, and i feel like it was because people didn’t understand what he was doing, and people had lazy narratives that one night killed riggan diaz career because from the network to the writers, no one tried to explain.

This is elite level boxing, because he’s stepping over this is how you teach kids to box is what he’s doing and he’s mixing it with high level athleticism and a ton of power and what he is doing might look boring, but it’s actually the highest form of The sport yeah, that’s what i mean like it’s almost like people, don’t realize how good you have to be to make it.

Look that easy, like, if you think about these, these two guys have you know: they’ve been training for weeks to to fight each other.

This guy’s been trained, donaire is one with one of the best at the time was considered on the pound for pound list, he’s been training working his ass off, and you make it look so easy that for some people it’s boring to watch like do you realize What level you have to be for that? You know for that attempt to come up with that anyways um getting lost in the shelf of my bed.

I don’t know how much time you got taking all your yours.

No, it’s all good! We got about like 10.

12 13 minutes, but just keep going until i got ta go where you got me: cool cool cool, we’ll go through uh, lubin and fendora real quick and we still got harrison and garcia, um, lubin and fontora.

I was not expecting that.

I was not expecting that from mr fendora.

I thought i thought what he did to lubin the way he did it.

I thought that that style of fighting for him was going to be his downfall.

I that was my assumption and it turns out that’s actually his number one skill and if he actually decided to actually use his reach, if he actually decided to use his reach when his advantage looks like he’s actually fighting on the inside, i don’t know, i don’t Know what uh, what people are to how people are going to deal with them? Um going through the scorecard real quick i gave lube in the first round.

He got dropped in that second round with a weird angle: uppercut from a six foot, four person, that’s what i mean man.

How do you prepare for that? A tall person that wants to fight on the inside because just mentally that messes with you, you would think.

Ideally yeah the person has a tall, long reach yet get on his insides, and you know break breaking down like that, but with fondura, that’s actually his strength.

So i don’t know that was um that was uh.

That was something else.

I really respect the way lewin was trying to fight, though i still you know, even though he was getting touched up, i gave him round six and seven there’s actually lots of close rounds.

I had one two three four five five rounds marked as close rounds, um anyways i’ll, come back to myself.

You go ahead.

What was your analysis of that? Oh first round, i thought that was lubin’s second round that 45 de la hoya punch uh was the knock down 10-8 fundora.

I thought lubin had a good bounce back round.

Three, i thought about timeout.

Do you think that was you said that that de la hoya uppercut, you just gave me a quick flashback kind of when he dropped the vargas yeah that uppercut? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, i feel like he does.

I felt like fondura does a lot of tape study on de la hoya with like those little inside combinations, because it reminded me of de la hoya uh.

Fourth round i thought was fondura fifth round i thought was fendora.

Six seven was uh seven, the round that lubin dropped him.

So that was a swing and then i had fendora winning eight.

But around seven and eight i actually around six the end of six and then seven and eight.

It felt like fondura was content to lose rounds to just really make lubin have to use his energy, and i felt like when, if i was around or observing or anyone asked my opinion, it would have been like lubin needed to kind of pick his shots and Conserve energy because it felt like fendora was really making an effort to be like, if i maybe don’t throw as much but just stay in his face.

He’S gon na really use up a lot of energy yeah and i think that’s what led to nine and i think honestly, they were really going to 10, 11 and 12 to try to punish lubin and the corner stopped it at nine, which it reminded me of Um when i forget the fighter’s name, but he fought ali ahmed off golovkin’s friend and jb jonathan banks was like this dude’s been saving himself for the last round and the guy knocked out ali in the last round.

It felt like fondura was gon na.

Have some big late rounds that he was just throwing away rounds going for the knockout yeah yeah yeah this? If that that’s a another another, much respect to lubin’s court for coach and corner for throwing in the towel, because they you know, like i said a lot of a lot, you hear a lot of coaches and fighters.

Say they’d rather go out in their shield, which is the craziest thing i always say to myself, because there’s no coming back from permanent brain damage, so um much respect to lubin’s corner for throwing in a towel.

If you notice some, some people threw some ice at um in lubin’s corner.

I forget his coach kevin cunningham for throwing in you know because they were mad, but you got ta understand.

You got ta, think about the guy’s life, not just about his his career anyways.

Going back to the fight round, seven was very interesting um because i had it uh.

I said it was almost even though lumen didn’t go down that was, should have been almost racked ranked right, um scored as a 10-8 round for fondura until he got dropped.

So i scored actually ten nine for for and he got dropped because he was getting aggressive.

He got caught because he was hanging out and then lupus started going wow yeah, yeah lubin.

He showed heart man, he showed heart because he could have packed in a lot earlier, um.

So much credit to him i gave like i said i gave lube in rounds six and seven there you go.

I marked them as close rounds.

They weren’t clear.

I just gave those those rounds there, but again i you know, and i’m just thinking from a coach’s perspective.

That is a puzzle that i i really would need to sit down and figure out a game plan for because i mean just get willie nelson in the camp like we’ve seen before it’s like you need to find guys.

Jamante clark had some of the answers who fought my good friend, aaron coley on this card and for some reason they decided not to televise it.

I’M not sure why you’d want to have two world level fighters, not televised, but that’s another story.

Jamante clarke might be a guy, but let’s act like we haven’t seen: fondura called paul williams.

Let’S act like we haven’t seen: fendora called willie nelson.

We always have these guys where the visual illusion of their size overshadows what they bring to the fight yeah.

It’S if fondura fought at distance he’d be a very vulnerable fighter.

His mentality is to come forward and he’s gon na basically be really good and until he’s not he’s going to be a guy who’s, when he’s young he’s going to win off a size and use, and then one day it’s probably not going to work and that’s His career, maybe i’m wrong, but that’s how i he’s still young too he’s in his early 20s, pretty sure fendora i mean he has to be man.

If he’s what six foot some mod and he’s almost my weight, i mean we’re not looking at a guy pushing 30 if, if that’s, no, no, no, no, and so, where does uh? Where do both guys go from here? Um lumen? He was on a good streak, but this is not.

This is one of the losses you need not just a couple months on maybe take a year off.

Let everything heal up properly still be in the gym.

I’M not saying don’t be in the gym, but you know no sparring for a while.

Let everything heal up with that brain heal up he’s got to decide if he still wants to do this because he’s taken two different, really bad losses.

One is about as humiliating as you can have, and then this one was about as brutal.

So lulu is a guy that i think he reminds me of a merry mom, where it’s like.

We all thought that he was gon na, be super good and now there’s a lot of doubts that are going to be like.

Can he take a punch and it’s like well, another way of looking at is maybe charlo and fendor are hall of famers and he just ran into two hall of famers yeah.

But people in boxing are not loyal and the minute they think that the kid’s done you’re gon na hear whispers.

Well, i don’t think he can take a punch.

Well, i don’t think he’s that i think what he needs to do is he needs to find the people that truly love him sit and decide what he wants to do and then just set some goals, because now every fight he takes is going to be a Hard fight he’s not going to get rebuilt boxing is very heartless.

That way, he’s going to have to beat one of these kids that people invest a lot of money in yeah and he’s fully capable of doing it, because when he was an amateur he’s, a badass yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, he’s uh.

I think his biggest uh lubin’s biggest challenge is gon na, be himself mentally um.

You know just just looking at himself in the mirror and just making sure he still has that confidence that he that he can perform at that highest level.

Again only two losses – all his wins are great.

All those wins are great, but the two only two losses, but there were some some seriously as bad of knockouts as you can get dropped in the first round, brutally and doing a funny dance and then getting stopped in the corner with um disconfiguring injuries.

To your face like i was just thinking about like the way he looked after that fight.

Imagine you show up to your friend’s house party or something on a saturday night and they look at you and you know you’re messed up and they go you go.

I look okay and i was thinking like it would be in a video game.

If i’m in a mirror or i’m talking to someone and then they cut to the way you look and you know that you’re beat up because the person’s like, oh you look fine you’re, not like you know, you know what you know when you really get beat Up and people don’t want to tell you the truth, that’s how i pictured lube and feeling yeah yeah yeah yeah right about this time.

Waking up this morning he’s like man um okay, now for mr fendor, where does he go from here like five minutes? Just big fights, just big fights, whatever the big fight is you know whatever how about him versus tim zoo? Let’S make real fights like we used to get on hbo.

Let’S put two guys, we say, are really good fighters and let’s put them in the thunderdome and then let’s actually get a guy, that’s a legitimate star.

Let’S not gift these guys, millions and start them how about they fight each other.

If they lose, they can come back, we won’t, we won’t.

I don’t know, maybe that’s just a wild idea.

I always remind people, you know leonard and hearns about each other in their early twenties still went on to have great hall of fame careers.

You know so well, let’s bring pride back to boxing, let’s, let’s actually have some guys that want to be the toughest guy out there.

You know i get making money is good, but like this is a sport built on bullying and being a badass.

So maybe we should have a couple of guys that are like cowboys that are like.

I want to be the most feared.

It would be a little refreshing as someone that consumes about 10 to 11 hours of boxing every week and then, when the fight’s over and i’m putting so much of my life into it and they’re like man.

I just can’t wait to make money and i’m like well, i’m not really making much money.

This is just something i love yeah, i’m waiting for the fighter.

That’S just saying give me a paper bag and i’ll pick any any name out of it and fight them.

Exactly legacy legacy, what did you say? Uh you mentioned um, because i heard it too.

What mike tyson said i got ta, i got ta run, so, oh, that’s all good.

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