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[, Music, ], hello, boston fans around the world, thanks for joining us once again on talking flight for another episode of the friday night panel, with mike gore myself, we’ve got a special guest in the audience tonight, coming all the way from nova, scotia, kirk johnson, great Heavyweight canadian fighter and pretty soon we’re going to be joined by tune with us through and have a very entertaining conversation, i’m sure, since both kirk and tim know each other quite well.
But let’s start off with a little bit of conversation about some upcoming fights uh.
This weekend, what do you say mike? Oh, my god, man dude, we got some.
We got some big ones, man, i’m super excited.
I know i know everybody’s been waiting for it.
Everybody has been waiting for it, but we’re finally going to see canelo back in action against none other than deval who’s who’s ready for this who’s ready for this one.
This is going to be a great fight.
Thank you! Yes, yes, it is.
Yes, it’s going to be a great one, we’ve all been waiting for it, it’s now, finally, getting underway um – and this is after um.
You know canelo just signed a new long-term promotional deal with uh with matchroom, and this is uh.
This is great man, um eddie, hearns, predicting dmitry bible will outweigh canelo alvarez by 20 pounds by the time that this fight is actually underway.
I agree well uh, probably anywhere between 10 to 15 is going to put on a little weight himself, so he’ll be bigger than canal.
I’M i’m super excited about this man.
I can’t wait for this uh this one to get underway.
Actually, there’s some uh there’s great uh kids on the undercard on this one uh, and that’s what i’m really about man all about these young cats that are up and coming in the game.
Uh.
You know we got mark castro’s back in action on this one in the lightweight uh division, and we also got montana love another kid that i like to watch out for there.
Man he’s fighting gabriel golas of valenzuela in the super lightweight division, and then we, you know we got it headed up by uh alvarez versus bible man – and this is this – is gon na, be a big one.
Man, i’m super excited to see this um.
You know these two um, you know pound-for-pound superstar, canelo, alvarez, he’s 57 and one with two.
You know two losses and uh.
He signed a new multi-fight deal with matcher in boxing at the zone and the first fight will see boxing’s biggest attractions step into the weight and take on dmitry bible who’s 19-0 with 11 kos and and this one’s for a bid for the wba light heavyweight title And uh this is gon na, be the second fight in the multi-fight deal uh.
It is set for september.
So this one’s good man, you know canelo alvarez, he’s claiming the ibf super middleweight, strap last time out against uh caleb plant becoming the first boxer ever to become undisputed champion at super middleweight.
Prior to that, the mexican stirred star picked up the wba, wbc and wbo, and the ring magazine super middleweight titles against km smith and billy joe saunders, respectively, all within a year to make history in cement his spot as the number one pound for power fighter.
In the world um and a memorable period that saw the 31 year old uh bag numerous fighter of the year awards, including the espn sports, illustrated ring magazine.
But then we got dimitri bible.
You know he’s been flawless in the paid ranks uh.
He now bags the blockbuster showdown he’s been craving uh in the form of boxing’s pound for power, king canelo and uh.
You know, bible picked up the wba light heavyweight title in 2016 and has defended it uh, an impressive 10 times already to become the best active light heavyweight fighter in the world um.
So guys.
What are your thoughts on this on this big one? Man? What’S uh? What’S everybody think about this one uh, i think it’s gon na be a good fight.
It’S gon na be a hard fought fight.
Uh canelo is moving up in weight and his punches are not gon na affect bibble uh as much as it affect uh.
Some of some of the other fighters, so i think it’s gon na be a war gon na be a few rounds.
That’S gon na look like warfare yeah, i mean i believe this is gon na, be a a well a well-thought one.
I think it’s gon na be a war.
Both these guys are.
You know, good contenders, um.
I i i kind of like bible man, and i think you know i think bible’s got the got the ability man uh, you know ever since he’s entered the paid ranks.
He really hasn’t hasn’t done anything wrong anything wrong in his career he’s.
You know we’re looking at ten time defending champ.
So, oh here we go we’re going we’re enjoying it right now give me something to put on here in the building james hagler.
We got james yeah come on shania.
I was rushing back here, man.
How are you guys doing? We have tim? We have a friend of yours here, tim weatherspoon.
What’S up kirk johnson canadian fighter, i heard the kirk used to come at the johannes gym when i was training in philadelphia, yeah um.
I just came from there about four hours.
Three hours ago i had to go to philly.
How recently was that that was that was a long time ago, man that was like that was like 20 years ago, but used to come there, and i just aspire with some friend of yours name is jerry lawrence, oh zory.
He was my squad partner.
He was a real nice guy, too yeah.
He was one of my guys matter of fact.
We were speaking the other night and uh yeah.
We were speaking about you too, and i told i told the podcast just a little while ago before you came on, i said of all the people that spoke to me after the klitschko fight.
I said tim weatherspoon had it right, everybody was saying: oh kirk, you were overweight, but that was the hardest ever train for any fight in my life.
It wasn’t about that.
What you first said to me was a hundred percent.
The truth you said kirk remember back in the day because you were standing with al cole, a guy i fought twice.
I beat him twice but anyway, you said well kirk.
You know what you said to me: kirk.
The thing you were supposed to do is feel your guy out like feel him out, and he said you didn’t sell no defense.
But yet when i saw you training philly, you had nothing but great defense, but you didn’t show it in this fight and that’s what you have to do.
You got to be able to survive before you conquer and i didn’t do it there.
You know what i’m saying so a lot of people who gave me advice.
I can’t lie to you that was the most greatest advice i’ve ever had was to feed your man out or whatever the case may be, i’mma cry, no, no champ.
That is beautiful.
Thank you thank you for for saying them kind words.
You know.
That’S i like to try to encourage uh people boxers anything anywhere.
I go just encouraging man that was good kirkland, that’s right god, yeah yeah, but uh, and just to see you just to see how great a shape you’re in right now and how you are right now, man.
This is encouragement too, because you’re growing older, just to look young 64.
i’ll be 65.
.
I just came from joe hands yeah i’ll be 65.
.
I just came from johannes, oh yeah yeah.
I did the stairmaster for like 30 minutes.
I did the ropes.
I did.
The road trip three minutes about three times you know, and it makes you feel better too.
The older you get the more you have to train.
That’S right, yeah, so you coming.
Are you making a comeback? Now, hey, i’m gon na.
Tell you something hey! If i get in shape, i know that i won’t get hit yeah exactly and i know they’ll make a mistake, i’ll take them one or two shots and land it on somewhere, where i know to heard them exactly that that’d be uh that that that would that Would help all that old stuff i used to do yeah no they’re, not doing it today.
Yes, yes, that’s what i tell my son.
I tell my son.
You need to train like the old days man, if you train, like those days, you’ll beat a lot of those dudes man no find somebody that has the old day knowledge yeah, that still does it yeah yeah.
You don’t want to listen to that he’s with the young young dudes man.
I’M like doing this doing this doing this.
He drives me crazy man i’ll be waiting, leaving it champ, leaving the arm out yeah yeah yeah, i break it.
My trainer told me look somebody do that hit that right there break the arm.
The fight is over.
Let them keep playing playing like this.
He throw overhand right or snoop something they’re not doing that.
So real quick when the guy do this, the guys in front of them don’t do nothing.
They just sit there and be like right.
Memorized by it.
You got a fire on them when they do this, that’s right! That’S the opening day! That’S the opening kirkland! That’S the yes, sir yeah, but that’s it man that my my trainer slim taught me defense and and um.
A lot of people said: yo man, you don’t throw a lot of punches.
They listen man um! I could throw a lot of punch.
I i can’t throw a lot of punches, but i want to make sure i block them punches.
Yes, but when you say slim you talk muslim, robinson, yes, the man told me, did he work with you? Did he work with you? Yes, but he used to always work with me with the aspiring partner he had.
He always worked with my aspiring partners to work against me because george benton was my trainer at that time and he was always swimming yeah.
There was buddy, so there was always and slim would always give me advice on what you do in the center out there.
So you know it was a great world and a great time that i had when i was around those guys so you’re right all the time.
The old style of training is a great style.
It is yes gave me a lot of confidence.
Oh yeah.
Definitely real quick when you’re trying to tell you when, when the attorney like don king, i told the guys on the show don king said you’re gon na fight larry holmes.
I only had 14 fights.
I said man that’s kind of soon isn’t it slim slim said tim you’re going to kick his ass and i said yeah i said: let’s go and i almost and i almost did it yeah, but i had two more fights.
I probably would have stopped them.
Yep yeah yeah.
That’S what gave me the confidence man and it’s not like that nowadays, nowadays, they’re trying to imitate somebody and a lot of kids are getting hurt.
You know trying to imitate this and imitate that and and um you know you got to have somebody to actually show you how to not get hit and hurt so wow, but i’m going to start.
I want to show you all these important stars up here but, like i said in in order to in order to conquer, you have to survive first in order to conquer you know what i’m saying so like i said, if you got deep good defense, you can Be around that you can start to uh imply your game to the fighter.
You know i believe, but but champ i believe the jab, the jab determines really starts off and determines um who’s going to take the lead.
And if you get that jab and start working that jab in yeah, you got the edge, then you’re going to add everything else in so i do believe i’m a believer of making sure that jab land first yeah and so you can get you – can get the Um you can get confidence over.
Your opponents is good.
What i’m gon na do i’m gon na try to work my way in there and then, while you’re, trying to work his way in you just put the other stuff together.
Yes, yes, really advocate for that jab.
You got ta wait.
Mercer got the hardest jab.
I ever went up against mary home champ chip, larry holmes.
Jab wasn’t nothing now he got a good jab.
Oh yeah, i’m not disrespecting him.
No, no, but mercer just had a hard jab.
Did you see after the first round when i put larry, i went like this yeah, but you didn’t do any pressure? No! No.
I went like this because i thought that it’s gon na be harder here.
It is really the greatest the greatest heavyweights of of the ever or time i’m fighting them.
I only have 14 fights, seven amateur fights.
I had a good trainer at the end of the run, i said, is that him yeah? If you watched after the first round, i said yeah, i remember, but i wouldn’t have did that.
I wouldn’t have did that if he would have been trying to trying to get me like and before the fight you got to scare your opponent.
He was trying to scare me said: he’ll knock me out, take my girlfriend from me.
He said it.
He said, i’m a bum, i’m broke wow.
I said you broke in and got the money.
You ain’t nobody and that made me mad.
Why didn’t he do that? Why did he do that? He made me mad.
He inspired you yeah, but that’s my man right now i mean we all.
I know it was just a a a play.
You know you got to play your cards and i know he was playing his cards.
That’S all the part of growing in the boxing game yeah i learned and now he’s he’s like one of my heroes, yeah yeah he’s mine too yeah.
Definitely he had big heart.
Didn’T he? Yes, did he ever well yeah, because the stuff you did to him in the night was it the ninth round? You had him hurt yeah, but yeah, and i found out too my trainer told me that when you get somebody hurt, you put that’s when you supposed to relax supposed to relax because you’ll get better shots in.
But if you rush, if you see i was rushing yeah and he said tim, if you would have took your time, we would have had him out of there, but i didn’t watch the fight i was rushing.
You know, i should have just said: boom boom bam bam boom like the old timer’s dead.
You know, i would have had him out of there.
I hadn’t mounted it.
I can’t believe it i’m over kirkland all right.
Oh, that was mike said that yeah, i see everything tim are you here, but i just want to quickly mention that i believe uh james sons going into the ring this weekend.
Is he not who james hagler jr? Isn’T he hitting the ring today tomorrow night um friday, today next friday, night? Next, one yeah? Oh, that’s great! Actually, saturday, the 14th we got, we got oh yeah, there’s another card on tomorrow: the uh rosiniki and uh yeah yeah, it’s gon na be good man, yeah rosicky he’s uh what number nine ranked with the cruiserweight by the wbc.
He stopped montez at 259 of the second round to claim his 14th career victory and the belt was uh ronnicky’s first one since uh the 22nd, when he was defeated by unanimous decision by oscar rives for the wbc world bridger weight title in montreal uh the last Victory kept his knockout ratio at 100, having won all his professional fights by way of knockout or tko, and then you have peralta.
Who’S 30 had his last vote on january 15th, against mariano uh, gadino and winning by unanimous decision um.
That was another one man, the wbc’s number 10 ranked cruiserweight is a former two-time olympian with an unblemished professional career.
So you know dan otter.
Three lions promotion feels the boat is not only a big opportunity uh for rosicky, but it’s an exciting fight for the fans.
Uh you know this is for the wbc international cruiserweight title and with both boxers being ranked in the top 10, it becomes an automatic wbc world title eliminator.
So this is a great fight to promote.
Uh fans are going to be definitely stoked for this.
The co-main event will see the newest addition to the three lions table: uh current wbc youth, world lightweight, title holder, pedro uh, uh, bernal who’s, nine one on one with three kos of mexico city and he will take on fellow countrymen, giovanni flores, who’s, seven, twelve and One with four kos uh in an eight-round bout uh, the undercard will also see caroline redman of guelph ontario in her first eight-round bout against former world title challenger and more experienced uh simone de silva who’s, 20 17 and over six ko’s.
And then we got jake doust who’s three and oh, two kos from orangeville ontario who’s coming off an impressive sec around ko this past march, against fellow canadian uh michael miller, who was three six and oh and uh they will take.
He will take on juan uh monzon uh who’s, eight three and three with seven kos and then we got lucas batty.
Who’S 10-0, with 10 ko’s of niagara falls ontario against rodolfo, uh, mourinho who’s 14, 6 and 0 6 kos.
This one’s going to be good man.
I’M super stoked for this card.
I know you’ll see local nova, scotian talent, uh with former world title challenger, t-son cave 35-3-0, with 13 ko’s from north preston, is pitted against our uh armist, solas who’s 14 and 14 with nine kos.
So you know this should be a good one.
Man, i’m super stoked to see our our ontarians.
Our ontarians are in there right, they’ll, be fighting tomorrow, man.
I can’t wait to see that you know both.
We got guelph in there, man, uh, she’s gon na she’s gon na be a good one man.
I know you guys was going to talk.
I talked probably about amanda and katie and katie uh taylor um, but you know i know you.
Probably you was going to talk about that a little bit, but we talked we.
We got mitch green to an event.
Yes, where were you guys at man? We was in new, rochelle um.
I don’t want to take it off the way, but i was going to try to mention that we got miss green.
When i was with don k, we was with don king.
We always used to talk about stuff, how we got ripped off or and and how, how good we’re going to do we trained together, we chopped wood.
We sparred, together with david bay um a lot of the other guys michael dukes, never interacted with nobody.
He never enacted with nobody because he was don king’s special prize.
He was at the camp before a champ.
No, but i heard these stories yeah well well, michael doakes, never like mingled with us right and he had his own training period, but everybody else trained together and blood.
We blood, we was family, we loved each other and, like i would lend him money.
He would lend you know, give it back.
I would let another guy’s money because they didn’t have money and um.
I love the guy he’s a good guy, but then he went off into another world right.
He went off to another word.
I think i was with don king before him, i mean, for i think he was with don before me and i came in and got a title shot.
Somebody else did the same thing, and i think that was some of the things that set them off so anyway.
Jumping for forward um, we got an.
I was in touch with him before, like a month ago me grade grade towns, remember greg from rhode, island reason.
In touch with him – and he wouldn’t answer the phone because he thought that the uh police was was stabbing his phone and i kept telling him yeah, i kept telling him blood.
You know me, look at me.
I was like look at my eyes.
You know, i won’t do nothing like that.
He said yeah.
I know man, i know, but they tapping my phone, this conspiracy, that my uncle robbie was the same way malcolm.
He should say the same thing they watching me, man they’re, going to get me.
We like who gon na get you the irs man they coming up man.
My dad was my dad was like yo.
You know your uncle can’t get too much you always talking about somebody watching him ain’t.
Nobody watching.
I cleared all that up for him.
I don’t know what he’s talking about robbie sings, robbie, sims, right, yeah, yeah, yep he’s gone yeah, so we we.
Finally, i kept talking to him and talking to them.
We finally got them to go to new rochelle, where, where they had a big event and for this raising money for boxers, they gave everybody money.
Uh great pounds gave towns gave blade blood the money we and we we went and got somebody to pick him up.
He was happy when he first walked in a lot of people came over.
They wanted to see what he was doing shaking his hands.
He was like he was like tyson like a star.
He was signing an autograph signing gloves, and so all we want to do is just get blood on the right track and we there’s some more things coming up guys, there’s some more things coming up and um.
We want him to leave don king and tyson alone.
Talk about him and himself then later on talk about the the adventure, the stuff that he had to go through with don not in a bad way.
I told him that – and this is what we’ve been telling him and he said you know what that’s what i’m gon na do jim, because if he don’t he’s never going to rise right now, right he going dawn gang.
I said blood.
Don’T do that! Let’S do this, so i was going to try to get him on the show, but i got to talk to.
I got to talk to greg towns and stuff and see and talk to you guys, so we can get him on the show, but he he he.
He trusts me and he trusts greg, but everybody else or they might be tapping my phone.
So the more the more we get him on yeah the more he’s gon na loosen up and then he can go on and make money he couldn’t walk.
You know he couldn’t walk so mike bernard of iran.
Barclays organization is going to get him a station every bike, so so he get well he’s walking with a cane and he said he got hit by a car or something yeah.
He said he got hit by a car or the car hit him his leg um, and i was going to tell you guys on the show today.
That’S all that we we got him moving.
Let’S hope we don’t get distracted and we could possibly bring him on the show and if you uh uh, if you want him on your show, um or james yeah, whatever we put him on, but i’m gon na first try to get him on this one yeah And and then we can get him a lot of other ones buddy.
His trust is a little bit more now yeah, i know when he came when he came to brockton up to petchenelli’s.
We were all getting undressed and he comes in there late after everybody working out and all i heard was just boom boom boom and i was like what the hell is that we all ran out of the dressing room come and come to see, and it’s mitch Green jabbing, the heavy bag, goodies goodie had different size bags and he was in the biggest bag, the heaviest bag, and he was just hitting it.
Wow wow the ceiling shaking and everything we was like.
Damn i didn’t know he had a job like that.
His job was very strong man.
He threw a lot of punches too kirk and kirkland.
Did you ever spar with him or anything? No, no them guys.
They were before my time.
Oh you’re, a baby you’re a baby.
I, wouldn’t i wouldn’t say i wouldn’t say i’m a baby but uh.
They were before my time, though yeah blood through a lot of punches.
He was always humble.
He was always humble when we he like talked to everybody, but then something happened after i left just something happened, man and he just couldn’t put it together.
Some people said that that he was weed and stuff like that um, but emotionally he was like because he wanted to get the tighter shot and he did good with tyson.
He went 10 rounds with him.
I love tyson too.
Tyson had to go through a lot of stuff.
You know he went through a whole lot of stuff, but i like to help the down i like to help the person.
That’S down.
You guys are already up there, i’m praising them, but the god is down.
I got something some passion, some passion to help them get up and that’s i don’t know what what happened to me, but that’s what that’s what i want to do see these guys.
You know get feel better, look better and and and and apply this up to whatever is going on around them one of the uh one of the guys that you were speaking about not you tim, but one of the guys you were speaking about uh riziki.
We spied it, we fired together before and he’s a he’s, a very decent fighter.
Uh he’s strong and he’s very, very determined.
You can hit him with some brick and he’ll still keep on coming so uh, i’m expecting a hard fought fight.
Whenever, whenever i come to rizziki he’s going to fight the hard you’re going to see two things, you’re going to see action and both guys hitting both guys – and i just hope you know – i just wish riziki good luck and of course, when it comes to my Man, tyson cave, i just saw tyson cave like five or six days ago, at our gym and good luck to him.
Of course, always he’s my man he’s very sneaky, he’s a sneaky type of boxer, uh very elusive, and i’m just hoping just wishing good luck to him, because he’s gon na he’s in my mind, he’s gon na do what he has to do.
Of course, honestly uh uh solas uh, you know he’s he’s a he’s: a 50 fighter, man he’s like yeah, you know he’s he’s 14 and 14.
tyson cave like you know what i mean you guys guys have an household name 35.
.
You know yeah and it’s great man and and right ryan rozicki, this one’s for the vacant, wbc international cruiser title yeah.
I don’t.
I don’t see him not coming full tilt not coming to bring his a game and uh.
I i think i think it’s gon na be a quick one for for him for tonight for uh tomorrow, night man.
Well, you know what i call raziki.
I called him when we spired together, i was laughing uh.
I won’t say i was laughing at him because i was telling him myself.
That’S a man, you remind me of of uh rocking my sienna like he gets hit, but he’s rolling with the shots while he’s getting hit.
So don’t get me wrong.
He’S a tough, tough, tough guy but at the same time a lot of shots he roll with him.
He don’t get hit as clean as people think think he does.
I remember rocky maciano saying the same thing that people think i’m getting hit clean all the time, but i don’t – and i just told raziq man, you know embrace your style man and just keep on you know wearing guys down and and doing what you got to Do and since then he’s been on even on that streak of of doing just what he said he’s going to do so you know congratulations to him and hopefully he come.
He come out on top on this fight.
Also, so you got an accent.
You got an extra fight in your backyard.
Isn’T it this this card? Yes matter of fact, it’s five five hours right, four yeah, it’s four hours away! It’S in cape breton, four hours away, yeah you’ve got an accent.
You got an accent.
No, i got an accent.
I’M a canadian, oh canadian, you’re, okay, my coach here, you just remind me he said, don’t forget to tell them what your real name is: kirk johnson, the canadian sensation, canadian sensation yeah.
So, just just let you guys know: 37 27 knockouts yeah, big bubba’s in the house, six to 81 inch reach baby tim years ago.
My managers wanted me to fight you and you see no, no, no, no! Actually i’m lying.
They didn’t want me to fight you.
They wanted me to spy with you and you said nah.
You said i’ll fight him, but i won’t spiral some conspiring.
You got to do every day.
He said, but i give him a real fight, though, and uh i said i don’t want to fight my hero.
Tim weatherspoon, i said you know what i’m going to look at some of tim brothers pool fights and see.
If i can get my my overhand right, the same as your overhand right whoa, that’s cool a lot of a lot of listen a lot of times.
I wasn’t ready like to fight tyson his, like.
I told the guys in the group that his management, his management uh, refused to fight lennox lewis, their management, but the boxers would afford me tyson would have fought me.
Ladies lewis, evander holyfield.
I was telling the guys.
I said whoa i was like this man, that’s cool, the managements were scared because they didn’t know which tim witherspoon was going to show up, and if i was in the van the holyfield tyson shape, you know, you’re saying you say you’re saying you would have been Undisputed, a hell of a lot longer, i wasn’t, i wasn’t disputed you were that hey according to lou eisen, you were undisputed yo.
That’S that’s mr fact: checker right there, man, okay, i believe it.
Then i believe it’s right here with that one.
He even said he did it when he was on the panel to give it to you.
Take your time, don’t come in.
There grab the hand and pull them and throw the hook boom, pull them through the right hand.
All those little tricks, slim robinson, showed me.
I probably could have gotten in trouble if i would have did did some of them like, like somebody on the rope you take the rope and pull them off the rope you have to do that.
You have to do that.
Kurt you’re right on the rope.
Did you have to grab the rope, and you can’t really do that, but i tried it a couple of times but inspiring.
I did it all the time in sparring somebody in the ropes i grabbed and pull them.
They hit him with a hook or grab him with the left, pull them off the ropes and hit him hit him with the uh, the punch all these little tricks – man they just actually going because because you have no open hands to do this, when they had The gloves on you know: hey didn’t that dude do that to uh shakur when he was boxing.
He grabbed his.
He grabbed his jab and pulled him.
Oh, my god, wow yeah, that was a that was a weight.
Yes wow.
He could have got hit.
He could, if he grabbed both like this, he did yeah.
He grabbed him and she called looked at the referees.
Like you know, what are you doing and they said hey, you could do that um.
I don’t know about that.
The yeah these days.
He did that man cause cause.
Shakur was leaving his jab out there like this on his head, so the dude i would have broke his elbow yeah.
You see the difference i i would have broke his elbow.
That trainer should tell him to hit him right in the elbow.
The fight would have been over all right all right right here, yeah right right here, yeah, where are you from again you’re from philly right, south philly, okay, right down the street from the italian market, where they made the movie yeah? Okay, so check this out.
So may the 14th – i don’t want to jump over to the subjects, but i just want to say: may the 14th i have a cousin of mine.
His name was castillo, clayton and he’s getting ready to fight you guys uh jiren boots.
Ennis was one no decision.
So my cousin castille is 19-0 with one draw with 12 knockouts.
He was undefeated and he’s 34 years old.
Now i came on a podcast because i just wanted to say that boots is a great fighter.
I, like him a lot and let him keep on doing the thing, but also i just wanted to say what i needed to say is my cousin castillo clayton is the man, and this don’t have nothing to do with countries.
This has got something to do with game and skill.
Uh may 14th is gon na, be a wonderful night for castillo clayton he’s gon na all the stuff you’ve been talking about, and you guys talk about the old fighters.
Yeah castile been in this gym, since he was 10 years old and i i seen his whole way up my father, gary johnson senior trained him along with uh the assistant coach, floyd, donovan, trained him, and i spy with castillo.
Even though he’s a welterweight i aspire.
Some all the time and he put heat on me all the time he was always the great fighter around the gym always able to do everything his amateur record is, i think, is that uh he owed of 114 fights on record, he lost 14, but really he Only lost two: he lost one to arrow, spence by a 4-1 split decision or whatever, and he got robbed in the olympics.
If you see it, you’ll see that he got robbed in the olympics uh in 2012.
I think it was but he’s our golden boy and trust me.
Even though boots is great he’s great he’s from philly in the phillies of nothing but a fighting town.
I really have to say that may 14th you’re going to see a new rising star castile clayton yeah.
I just want you guys to win.
Yes, that’s what i was saying.
I want you guys to really look at the fight man because it’s still clayton.
He is something special matter of fact he’s so special uh when my father and the other coach floyd donovan, when they’re teaching fighters stuff in the gym and also when i want to learn stuff in the gym 10 years ago.
When i was doing my fighting thing, castille was so talented that i had to say castillo come here, show me how you would do it and once he showed me how he would do it and the way he would do it he’s like you know what now I know how to do it, that’s how great he is as a fighter.
So man, when you guys see this fight, may 5th may 14th in california and matter of fact i’ll, be there i’ll be there ringside me and floyd donovan he’s uh one of his amateur coaches, we’re going to be there watch the fight.
It’S going to be a great fight, a great performance by castilla clayton watch, it don’t miss it.
We should get you to go.
We should get you to go, live with your cell phone and we cannot stream it man and show canada what it’s about say.
Hi today i’ll be there.
So if i’m not jumping too much i’ll i’ll scream it you don’t see it yeah, hey you! You stumble you stumbled onto us because i was i was repping.
I was wrapping a man.
I did a whole lot.
Yeah, yes, and when you said that i said you know what i don’t know how to get.
I don’t know how to get in touch with nobody.
Let me just go on here and see if you guys are paying attention to your comments right.
So that’s what i did right actually, honestly and it is getting slept on as a country for boxing all the way.
All the way – and i believe – and i believe castillo clayton is one of those that is a is a true representation of what the canadians bring to the game of boxing he’s a golden boy he’s he.
He is the golden boy he’s a he’s: canadian, the canadian golden boy, [ Applause, ], okay, what’s going on dude? What card is that fight going to be on yo on the channel? Okay, you should have been on the podcast kirk.
I was uh.
I was saying a couple weeks ago that uh i was already picking questions by decision.
Yeah yeah, that’s that’s cool yeah yeah.
You said he was on the show last week, uh.
Well, i’m on the daily show, with mike every day, but uh.
We did a specific one about um a while ago, and i i said it weeks ago: people people don’t know him on the world stage yet right now i knew him as an amateur.
I knew the canadians that he won and i know his boxing pedigree and i said this weeks ago that i was i was picking him by decision, so yeah yeah, guys guys who wants to know that is real, quick.
I did see him.
I watched a couple of times he got hit with a couple of good shots.
I think he needed to tighten.
I think that he needed he’s pretty good on offense, but i seen him get hit and i was worried about that.
But i can’t call his dad up where i know him and say blah blah blah, because i don’t want to be like disrespecting anybody.
But i was watching some videos and he got hit clean with a couple of shots.
Took him just a little, did he see it? She seen it right.
He got hit with a couple of shots.
I think it was a level and i said whoa he got ta talk his too much offense, they got ta do the offense, but you got ta head.
Yes, and you know what tim you would be the one to say something like that about the uh.
The defense, the defense got ta be tight because, like i told i’ve been telling people for the last 18 years or 17 years that tim witherspoon right directly after the clinch goal fight, he spoke the truth.
He said kirk.
What happened to your defense? You’Ve been a defensive fighter, all your life, all of a sudden, you fight the biggest fight of your life, and you forgot your defense.
So one thing you would be on tim: you will be on defense and you, you notice what we all notice about jaron ennis who’s a great fighter, but we noticed that he’s able to get hit and one thing about concealer, clayton clayton is a sharp, even sharp Shooter playing a punch, you can punch, he’s a good player, he’s a sniper and he’s got heavy hands too man, something like your cigarette leonard.
What he can hit you a lot in the same spot, because the same type of same type of way.
So you know i don’t want to be.
I don’t want to.
I want nobody to think i’m biased, but at the same time i just think that uh may the 14th we’re coming away with victory.
But hey that way you on this team yeah, but, like you said tim, the best man will win right yeah.
Definitely definitely i can’t wait for this.
One man, no yeah, definitely yeah.
Whoever made a mistake.
Um, you could be have all everything in in your arsenal, but if you make that mistake, you could one mistake.
I don’t care more than the other guy, but if you make that mistake and that’s what i’ve seen when boots, i seen him fighting and then i seen him get caught and he got shocked a little bit and then i seen another fight.
I said whoa, you know, so i saw it like the dante wilder and tyson fight.
Both of them went down three times a piece four times something wrong with the defense, yeah yeah, 100 percent in and to go back to that fight with the tyson fury in in uh, wilder ferry had way better skills and better defense, and if wilder had more Defense he could have did better, but because he got the bigger punch in the world.
We know that, but his defense wasn’t as good as tyson defense and skills and effort hey.
You know when floyd mayweather said, or back in ollie days, they said, skills pay the bills, that’s insane.
Eventually, skills will pay the bills.
I mean big punches are the greatest thing in the world.
We know that, but when, when big punches have lost, whoever beat them ollie and george foreman ali big puncher, thomas hearns and sugar, leonard sugar and leonard thomas turner, was a big punch at that time.
You know what i’m saying so, no, no defense right.
The big punchers normally get beaten by the skillful punchers, so all in all boxing will be boxing is still what it is hit and not get hit.
So the guy who get hits the less and and catch you, the most, that’s the guy.
That’S normally is going to win now.
If you stick to that goal most times you can win.
A fight.
Styles makes bucks, definitely definitely styles.
Big fights well tell me about the that’s true.
Tell me about the trainers that tell the fighters.
Oh yeah definitely tell me about tell me about the trainers that say your best.
Defense is your offense and that’s wrong.
No, that’s wrong! Your best defense yeah, exactly you, got ta hit defense because you can have great offense, but if, if, if i hit you with five punches and you survive it and you chuck five punches back and i don’t survive, i can have all the offense.
I wan na have, but if i can’t survive, if i don’t have defense enough to survive well, i lost i’m losing too and if you don’t have defense, it’s like playing baseball out in left field without a baseball glove trying to get my balls tighten this up.
Big hands a great fighter ever lost or fight at that time.
Whatever you know what at that particular time what they lacked, they lacked defense for that one one minute, you know what i’m saying i mean not to say anything disrespectful to you tim because you’re a great fighter, and i love the fights.
What you did that you did with uh, frank, bruno and and all the other guys, but the time you fought uh uh smith, you know bone pressure.
I wanted to tell you, you fought him twice right right, go ahead finish now, the first.
The first time you beat them no problem right because you had uh, we called it, the the we call it the tim witherspoon cover-up, the skill.
Let me tell you real quick: what happened uh, the second, the second fight and not i’m not ashamed to just it was political um.
Before before the fight, we knew that don king was trying to was getting tyson.
He didn’t care about.
None of us.
He came to the camp, got everybody together and told us to get in shape, because there’s a new kid that we didn’t know who he was blood heard of him green and he said y’all better get in shape.
So we figured don king is going to look out for us and all that, but but really he was trying to get tyson.
So adam look so going going on.
I beat bone crusher every round everywhere.
That’S right! Okay! Now i messed around.
I smoked around marijuana.
I was supposed to fight tony tubbs, giving rematch oh yeah yeah.
They took 30 grand from me, sent me to rehab and all that.
Okay.
So if i’m getting ready to go to the fight, tony tubbs come come up with a shoulder injury right, i’m like and but i really didn’t train for for, like for like a bone crusher, i would do a lot of different things.
I trained for a guy that move around so yeah, so um yeah, so so um.
So tony, so tony tubb got a shoulder injury.
Then they came.
They said the fight is off, so we stopped for a couple of days.
Then they came back and said.
The fight is on and they said we got we’re going to put you in the bone crusher.
I said no, i’m obligated i’m obligated to fight tony tubbs right, so so in that fight um in the fight i told my corner, i said i’m not gon na fight.
I know don king only care about tyson.
He don’t care about us.
He don’t care about bone crusher.
I said, and i told my lawyer i said, make sure we was going to shoot that donkey.
I said make sure that i get at least 250 300 000.
.
I could have got 800 000 because they just wanted me out the way right.
So i said i’m going down in one.
I wouldn’t lie to you guys on this podcast and jeopardize anything if you watch the fight you see me acting when i went down.
I was crawling and then, when the fight was over, that i was the most happiest guy in the world, i spit the teeth out.
I told him.
The best thing could have happened to me was a teeth that was loose and bone.
Crusher hit it and that’s right near the end.
You see him in the corner, i spit it out, but it was political.
I would never lie like this on bone crusher and the heritage, i knew bone crusher trained and fought that fight.
I would tell the truth: don’t crush, i think he beat me, but i went down and won and then we went on and we sued down after that, because it wouldn’t make no sense right that bone crusher was going to win that fight okay.
So i wasn’t going, i know he could punch, i wasn’t going all those rounds um and knowing that i was going to lose okay dead fight, because i watched the first fight then watch the second one.
So so i went down in three my mom and everybody was crying and i told them what happened afterwards, but everybody in my corner knew what i was gon na.
Do you watch the fight and there’s a couple other fights that i really didn’t care about.
The loose have reached, it was a flash, knockdown and and – and i was getting paid, um and and um do actually luke said to me afterwards.
She said he said tim.
I know if you was in shape a couple years ago.
You had to knock me out and i said no don’t worry about.
I didn’t even care.
I just wanted to get the money at the time i was broke and everything so there’s some stuff that i did.
That really is going to come back on me, but that bone crusher second fight, i feel bad he’s a good guy, and i went down in three at least – could have went three or four rounds, but i just was wanting to get out of there.
We got ta, you know, yeah go ahead.
I went down in that fight right.
I got you.
It’S allowed to check the test right right, there’s a lot of different politics that goes on in boxing that the outsiders don’t know and don’t understand, uh.
Some things are better left alone, but some things he got.
Okay, let me give you an example when it comes to uh, annie, ruiz and uh, uh joshua.
Let me just say this annual wreath for the excellent fight i’ll give him that, but truly joshua was concussed right after the fight, joshua’s father went into hearn’s ear and said i told you.
My son should have been fighting this fight because he was concussed.
That’S not an excuse that he was good, it makes your body weak.
It makes your body weak and lethargic, and you guys know the rest of whatever but anyway and and you can’t really take a shot afterwards for for until you heal up the hockey players get a concussion football player is a good concussion.
They don’t let you play for a whole two months, but yet boxers we punch at our heads.
But yet the the promoter allowed uh allow joshua to fight because they figured that joshua’s gon na knock him out in a couple rounds which josh joshua didn’t.
But what i’m saying is things like that at the back of the game happens and think about this.
He made 20 million dollars for that fight, uh joshua, but then in the rematch with andy ruiz he made 80 million dollars why they pay him so much.
They paid him so much because you didn’t want him to talk about the concussion.
If you talk about the concussion, that means boxing will then have to hire a governor to govern over the sport like football and basketball, and baseball and they’re gon na have more stricter rules and certain things that happen to us athletes won’t happen anymore.
You see what the promoters can do to us, like, especially in timmy days with don king don king could get away with murder, with the fighters with the money and all that stuff next meal.
You know you got fighters in the ring fighting injured because of certain situations, but if we had a governor to govern governor our boxing more better, we wouldn’t have to fight this away in in and some of these stories like something with timbers talk more.
Some of these stories would get out and you got to know the truth behind some of the a lot of part of the game, but hey.
It is what it is right and let’s just hope that you got good management.
That really cares for you and a good family that cures you that yeah carl king and carl king was a manager.
He had no power and stuff um, so we all made that decision to do that.
Um, i didn’t have no concussion.
This was just no.
No! No, no, no, it was a political movement.
You you have, you had a different situation, but i’m saying i’m saying you have some fighters who are fighting injured and shouldn’t have to fight injured and stuff like that, and then the thing in the cliche is you got to be ready at all times, which is Impossible, if you get, if you can be ready at all times that mean mayweather de la hoya and those big time guys, they wouldn’t wait.
Eight nine months before they fight again they’ll fight every two to three weeks, because they would be ready at all times.
Why do the big time fighters have three to five months to train for a fight but the small time fighters? That’S trying to get big time you give them two weeks in in the manager or the trainer saying? Oh, you got to be ready at all times, but you have the big time because they’ll end up shelfing them they’ll shelf them, they’ll they’ll make them sit them on the shelf they’ll.
Let them get cold the next time.
You know they can’t get a fight and then it happens to every single other prospect out there.
Man.
Thank you.
It’S a terrible injustice that they’re doing to the young cats that are trying to come up in this game.
It makes you sick.
That’S why i’ve dedicated my show to profiling these young cats around the world to at least get their name out there.
So people know who the hell they are yes shout out to carl from las vegas and thanks for tuning in brother, that was good, um yeah, that that i i the stuff that i experienced really i still i love it.
I’M on the podcast.
I never thought i would be champ of the world.
Oh man and, and – and you know it’s just beautiful meeting people traveling all around the world – um, that’s! What’S making me happy, i’m taking care of my kids, i’m not lying about that there i didn’t lie about the the bone.
Crusher thing: oh! No! No, i’m not ashamed.
Um, like i said my everybody in the corner knew that we was going to do that um.
But but bone crusher didn’t and my mom and my kids uh they was crying and everything and i told them afterwards.
I was the happiest man in the world.
I had to deal with don king.
I was on my own.
We tried to sue him um.
Then i got burnt on that, so we could talk about that another time, because i don’t think i thought you won.
That case went into winning a million.
Five wasn’t wasn’t winning no that’s not 30 30 million and bringing justice i’d rather him i’d.
Rather him had had come and let them prosecute him in a way.
You know, i don’t want him to go to jail because we did you know we we we did communicate, but then he had he acted a different way when it’s around the media and stuff like that.
So at the end – and i told you guys real quick – i got that out of my life me and don king.
No, i don’t want to talk about him.
No more! I’M working! Kids, i’m happy it’s over.
He punched me.
I punched him back if any lawsuit come up and they want me to be involved i’ll, probably be involved, but it’s over yeah right.
It’S over.
You know.
So let’s go on and talk about other stuff and if you want to say a couple of things, i’ll talk to you, but it’s over man, it’s over yeah yeah.
I got you it’s.
You know it’s time to fight and it’s time to move on and so right now you moved on from that situation.
That’S cool! Hey! He hit me with a right hand.
I hit him with a body shot a can opener.
We call this the candle.
You dig to the bottom, you know, but you can’t avoid it though champ when people ask you about donkeys, everybody want to know, everybody will know exactly what actually happened and stuff and, like i was getting tired of it.
I didn’t want to do it and then i just wanted to leave it alone.
I can’t even i can’t even enjoy my family, my kids, i’m talk every day.
I stopped talking about them.
They know i stopped talking about him, but if you ask me a question i’ll tell you the truth, i’ll tell you the truth: it’s we got to go on with our lives.
Well, you know.
Donald came with a big part of your life, but, like you’re, saying you’re ready to move on, so you know that’s good, i’m glad it wasn’t a big part only of the boxing part because yeah he win he’ll win.
If i let him be uh, you know a major part of my life, john king’s [, Music ], and i found out that carl kang don’t even talk to him now.
Well, oh no yeah! I found out i found out through to somebody that carl king and him don’t even talk, no more yeah, how long they hadn’t talked.
I i don’t know i don’t know, but i found out about a month ago that him and don oh there was a guy doing videos for bob.
Now he used to be with bob aaron and he came here and he did a video with me and then he was talking about donna, told him.
I don’t want to really talk too much.
He said you know to him and carl don’t even talk.
No more – and i said what this is only three months ago, a guy from new york used to work and now he’s doing videos and documentaries, and he and he came here and told me that he said well.
They don’t even talk to him.
I said – oh, my goodness, okay, so carl is the guy to really interview.
I don’t know if you’re going to do it, if you find them, that’s going to be a lot of knowledge, a lot of information, but i don’t know if you do it nah.
He ain’t going to do that, but they ain’t talking.
Maybe they’ve done.
You don’t think you’re going to yeah yeah, but that’s the dad who brought him up as a son.
So that’s the only father.
He knows you know what i’m saying so yeah.
I don’t know.
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