Female Boxing CHAMPIONS… | The Sugar Show with Natalie Brown | Talkin Fight

In this episode, Natalie explores female boxing champions.

The SUGAR Show is a series focused on Women’s Boxing. Natalie SUGAR Brown visits all aspects of Women’s Championship Boxing involving both up-and-coming and seasoned amateur and professional female boxers, along with studio segments covering headlines and developments across the sport. The program primarily broadcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:30 pm eastern time, weekly.

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Transcribed:

[, Music, ], hey everyone, so you guys know it’s 7 30 on a wednesday night and we’re here to chat women’s boxing with natalie sugar, brown and tonight.

We’Re talking about tonight we’ll be speaking about uh women’s boxing champions and i know everyone’s tuning in because they think i’m gon na call names and name names and pound for poundless and all of uh those great women that have participated.

But we’re going to talk about the people who those women have stood on their shoulders, meaning we’re we’re going to be talking about well and not specifically by name um i i’ll i’ll mention you know.

Sugar’S got to give a little bit of her own uh personal experience, but i want to shine the light on the coaches.

I want to shine the light on the um.

The people who have made got together and made the tournaments and the platform for those talented women us the boxers.

The fighters made those platforms and gave opportunities to show our hard work so starting off for me um.

My first tournament was the women’s national golden gloves in augusta, georgia, and that tournament was put on by tom moratas, who was uh really who was a real um [ Music ].

He was a real um trailblazer in himself and took interest in women’s boxing.

I think he was actually married to denise morales, who was a good fighter at the time, was out of new york and she was a new york golden gloves champion.

So it was something that all of us look forward to back back in 1997.

, so it started there for me um, but i i i mean we see these young.

Ladies now – and you know, we we have our favorites and i just want tonight’s show to talk about um.

You know those who those who actually have platforms now like um over in california, the beautiful brawler, all female or all girls, boxing tournament by um.

I think her name is blanca uh, you guys know.

I always jam up last names, but uh blanca gutierrez um and she was an act.

She was actually an amateur fighter around the time that i was boxing.

She was really good.

Um, [, Music ].

So, instead of turning pro, she became one of those who allowed uh or allowing the young ladies now to stand on her shoulders and go on into having the experience that they need and focus to go go into international competition, i’m actually um, i’m actually looking up Her um her tournament now so it’s beautiful brawlers, oh goodness, and you’ll, see beautiful ballers, but no it’s beautiful brawlers.

So let’s look that up now.

Okay, so the club is baby face boxing and it’s out in uh pacifica, california.

The reason why um i brought this up, because this is my first hand, knowledge aside from my experience with uh, mr moratas, because the question arises in any boxing conversation or any conversation that you would have, especially with the developing industry such as ours.

The question is um, what is more important, the flour or the soil that the flower grows from and so um.

That is the.

That is the theme of the the conversation tonight, because as much as we celebrate the fighters, like i said before it takes so much.

Oh goodness, hi there vinnie, who was your favorite female champion, okay, um i’ll, say this.

I have a couple, my favorite female champion it’s or was frida gibbs and uh eva.

I guess i eva jones, eva magic jones.

They called her and it was frida cheetah, gibbs and uh goodness lady tiger tramar, who was one who actually was one of the first women to ever, get a boxing license and those women were my favorite because um their style, they actually boxed, they didn’t go in And it wasn’t, you know it it.

There was really some some creativity and skill set there with the way they boxed.

Yes, christy martin was around and christy.

Martin was a good fighter, but those women had a finesse and they had a general ship in that ring.

That was worth the three minutes that they were fighting at the time, because those women were around fighting three minutes and there were some great fights too goodness hi there, michael ah, thank you so much uh and that wasn’t a boxing question, but i really appreciate it.

Love the hair, okay, thank you i’ll, take it um, so these women i mean they, those were my favorite fighters.

Okay, and at the time with those.

Ladies, like i said, you know they were great fighters, but i i to you know there had to be some good trainers behind these women fighters and i want to i want to shine the light on them uh for this episode, because, to be honest, those are Women’S boxing champions, those are champions uh, my coach, johnny gantz um, my coach, um uh, sergey uh, lee tolk.

I think his last name is i i’m so bad with with these names.

Please forgive me audience he’s actually out of ukraine and he was my coach for my last fight and i i i’ll give everyone a background story about.

You know my champions in women’s boxing, my coaches, so i had.

I had one two three.

I had four that made a real difference in my life: um i’ve trained all over the world and i’ve had several um experiences in camps and things like that.

But the thing about being a female fighter is you have to find the coach that gets you.

You have to find the coach that understands who you are and helps you express yourself as a fighter and develop your style.

So my first coach johnny gant, he’s a dc fighter.

They call him the uh, you know dc fighter um.

I always talk about him.

He was top three in the world.

He he he his claim or biggest fight was sugar ray leonard in uh 1979, and he was the gatekeeper for sugar, ray leonard to move on into uh championship.

Uh fighting and it’s the thing about being a a fighter is either you become a fighter and you leave the game totally and and find yourself somewhere else or somehow it pulls you back and you decide to help another fighter and build another champion, and this is One this is the first gladiator that took me under his ring and taught me what he knew so johnny’s trainer was actually a fighter back in the 1920s, and so i have all this wealth of knowledge from johnny and then johnny’s experience so being that scrappy girl That came into the boxing gym and um.

You know meeting coach, gant coach, johnny gant.

I was the only girl on the team.

Oh goodness, what was the first thing? He taught me uh.

The first thing, johnny taught me, was the jab, the the first um the first john, the first tool johnny gave me was that jab and he didn’t give me anything else.

So i stayed and stood in front of that bag and hit the bag for three months.

That jab i had to spar with the jab.

I i sparred with the the right hand, um either pinned down with a weight under my my arm or behind my back.

While i offended myself defended myself with that jab and so this day, even when i get back in the ring, it is the most useful tool that i’ve that i have in my arsenal.

So if anyone knows and and it has, anyone has watched me as a fighter um, they would see that you know i.

I have a pretty wicked right hand, but my jab is: what set that right hand up? That’S why you never drop that jab? Well, you know something: i’ve dropped it and sometimes you know being the fighter that i was being the fighter that i was you know.

Sometimes i did drop the jab, but i was i i have a good chin, so i was tough enough to take a shot on the chin and give back.

But there are times that, like the that last fight that i had, i got clipped because i brought that jab back low and i got hit with the right hand.

So i mean styles make fights, but my jab seemed that i had uh.

I have a long reach and um.

I was able to set everything up off of that jab, which is the tool that johnny’s uh, which was the tool that johnny gave me, set up the that right hand and everything else that i did and then you know moving on into my second coach, which Is um chris johnson and that that situation there? You know that that’s a whole book there, because i was – i was actually married to chris johnson and i learned from that coach because i’m going to give it to him he’s also a women’s boxing champion.

I’M not the only woman that chris johnson has trained and has introduced to boxing um and i have to say uh with chris johnson uh.

The championship tool that i learned from him was finesse he’s a 1992 olympic bronze medalist and he uh competed at the at a high level as a professional and in in coming from the abc’s of amateur boxing you have to.

You have to evolve into being a professional, and my first step in evolution was um learning how to not go in there and pity pat like an amateur and and throw the one two three one, two three and and the redundant combinations that you may see in Women’S professional boxing now um he taught me that now being a professional fighter, it’s much like painting a picture, so you can’t go in there.

You know i’m not going to be a christie.

Martin, i’m i’m not going to go in there and be a lucia riker.

You know i i have to add my mark to the ring, and so he got me in that way.

He got me where i am a very creative person outside of the ring inside of the ring now um.

I was stuck in the understanding that okay, you know as an amateur.

This is the way you know you have to put things together in order to win.

I learned from chris johnson now that there’s a freedom in the ring as a professional.

Now, okay, you step in the ring and you start off uh it’s a story round.

One is a story: okay, and so you take the audience with you every round of the fight until the end and you take and give and the way you take.

You know you take with finesse and then you give with you know you give way with weight.

You know so it’s it’s more! Now, i’m performing behind what i’m doing, which brought up my value as an entertainer in in women’s boxing.

So i i give you know, he’s he’s one of my women’s boxing champions and you know you look at a fighter like clarissa shields.

I see that vanessa and clarissa shields.

She goes in there and she shimmies and she you know she steps and she moves she’s out of um detroit.

So you know a lot of detroit fighters.

They have that finesse, you know andre durrell and them who she’s it’s.

She seems to be very close with them, but i came up with andre durell and his brother in the amateurs and they were very impressive as well, but you know they had that finesse where you know there’s a style behind that detroit fighter um.

I i look at the other females out there right now.

I don’t see style or finesse.

I see that they’re all fighters and they’re good.

You know they’re they’re fighting well, but i would love.

I would love for them to now draw more on the entertainment aspect of a fight.

You know because at the end of the day it is entertainment um.

So now going into my uh.

My third coach and my third coach is my third champion of women’s boxing, because these are the guys who developed me and uh.

I think sugar did pretty well in in women’s boxing and and became a champion in her own right, so um jerome, coffee uh, was also a a boxer who reigned back in, i believe the 80s and he was on the he was to go to the olympics.

Actually, but i think it was the olympics where the uh the plane went down and the team died, you guys can look into that one.

He was supposed to go to that olympics and it didn’t happen so um he didn’t go and he actually moved.

He was a tennessee, he was out of tennessee and he turned pro and he was he trained fighters out of vegas and so um.

He was out there with the uncle roger and uh mike mccullum, and a bunch of other mike mccollum was a great champion.

They called him the body snatcher, and i called his name because i i took some of my when when i went in to do bodywork, i took some of my mccullum style and added it to sugars.

So when i, when i snatched that body you was gon na, feel it so um jerome coffee taught me and i’ve mentioned earlier, to protect yourself at all times.

So he taught me the mentality of being a female fighter because he was the one he was the hard knock.

One he’s the one that told me.

You know sugar, this ain’t, you know.

Did this thing ain’t for good girls.

You know this thing is not a gentleman sport or a gentlewoman sport right, the climate of what we’re we’re fighting against sugar.

Is you you got to reach down in yourself and find that despicable part of you that that will win, meaning that you know not.

It’S despicable, meaning, not a bad thing.

You know not the negative aspect, even though despicable as a negative word.

It’S it’s the part of you that um welcomes the fight.

You know that part of sugar that says yeah i did it yeah.

I said it and what you gon na do about it.

You know that that part that part of sugar that starts at the press conference.

You know a lot of these girls now they’ll look at uh, you know muhammad ali and you know they’ll look at you know i.

I really don’t even see much personality in in the women’s fighting right now.

The primal part of me, goodness, michael you’re, in on this – i love it so um and and thanks for chiming in uh tonight, the primal part of me, yes, that that that beast, the inner that beast inside of me that you know at when you’re at round Six of a eight round fight of a ten round fight where you’re, tired and the opponent is tired, too and you’re hurt and the opponent is hurt too, and at that point now it’s now you know who’s got the longest.

Fangs who’s got the biggest teeth in here.

You know, and and jerome taught me that it’s okay to get down there, it’s okay to reach down deep inside there and it’s okay to not come out on top from that.

But to give it everything you have.

Jerome coffee taught me that each fight is not made for you to win sugar.

Each fight is made for you to make a statement to your opponent and you’re going to make a statement to the audience that they may not give me this win.

But you’re going to remember this fight, you’re going to remember this ass weapon, you’re going to remember what went down in this bout and the thing about it is uh sugar sugar never had got a wbc ibf, none of that stuff, but up to the other day, I have fans that check in with me from from denmark from iceland, england, italy, who’s seen sugar fight, and i am i am their champion because they they felt me they saw what i did they.

They felt what i put down, and i i thank jerome coffee for that.

He is my champion of women’s boxing right and i, let’s see um, i don’t i don’t know um the top coaches in women’s boxing.

They don’t really shine a light on the coaches.

They shine a light on the ladies and, like i said you don’t see much of the personality of each fighter.

You know you just see a girl and she either she’s.

You know looking good on the poster or you’ll see her smiling somewhere.

You don’t really see what the heart and soul of her is about, except for i’ll bring it back to carissa shields clarissa shields.

You know her story.

You know that she was a young she’s, a young girl who grew up in the transits who grew up.

She is a flower that bloom from that dirt right.

She grew up in in detroit michigan drinking dirty water and she worked hard and she ran and she did everything that she needed to do to become a two-time olympic champion and now an undisputed champion.

So, like i said before, you know what is important: the dirt or the flower that blooms from the dirt she’s the flower.

But let’s remember or let’s, let’s looking to the dirt, that she grew from the trainers, the coaches, the people who encouraged her as a little girl and told her.

You know what you can be champion and we believe in you.

So that is you know.

That’S the story or that’s the angle.

You know from my third coach um.

I had a coach in between my third and fourth and which is honorable mention and i would get his.

He he’s a japanese coach, my japanese coach and uh coach yugi and he’s the one that taught me.

You know going and training with uh.

You know training with my coach and and training in an environment where you don’t even speak the same language.

As you know, your coach it it’s it’s difficult where you know, there’s a frustration on their part and then frustration on your part, because a plan has to come together with a fighter and a coach for success to happen.

So my little stint with coach, yugi um, you know i come in with my razzle dazzle and i came in.

I was very mature at the time.

So i came in thinking that i was a know-it-all and coach.

Yugi came in my my my life at the time when the calls weren’t coming in – and i thought i would you know – a change of scenery would give me uh an opportunity to um get back.

You know get back some kind of action, and so i remember one specific time that i was training with with coach yugi in the gym and uh he he gave me a command because he, you know, he’s to be in my corner and i turned around and I said: don’t you say i’m trying i’m trying to understand you and i’m trying to do this at the same time and coach goes, try, try, don’t try must do and he screamed that, like in my face in front of everybody and he you know, he didn’t Really speak english, but when he did that it, the the light came on to where it’s like i needed to step outside of my own way, because at this point you know you can’t know so much that you that there’s nothing much! You can more that you can learn and as a fighter and in life, you can learn from anybody and anything you just have to be humble enough to open your mind to a different perspective and a different approach to uh, sometimes sometimes the the same problem.

You know just have different solutions to the same problem that yeah you may be fighting with in in your life.

So coach yugi taught me to get out of my own way and and step outside of myself and just like learning another language.

There’S a part in a fighter’s evolution where you are learning who you are or reinventing yourself and learning learning the process all over again, and so my so coach yugi honorable mention was one of my women’s boxing champions.

Looking at the climate out right now, i would love for you guys to look at look at how the women are fighting.

Look at the look at what the style is right now, everyone pretty much has a straightforward style.

I would love for now a coach like you, uh, coach, yugi, to come in now and and and freak it freak the the performance freak.

The way that things are done.

You know coach yugi taught me, you know when you fall, you know it or if you fall, you know fall a certain way.

He was very you know he was very deliberate in everything that he taught me.

So if i, if i roll my shoulder to come back with a shot, you know he he taught me different.

You know the deliberate way to to move my body and come back with the shot.

He taught me a more deliberate way to slip, taught me how to how to own my style and to have that signature brand and sometimes like.

Even now.

I see some some little youngins out there, where i i watched the sparring match the other day.

That was posted online and the young lady did a move, did uh did um one of sugar’s rock back moves, and i said you know what i know who she’s been watching not to you know, toot my own horn, but it it.

It felt good to know that, just like i watched frida gibbs, eva young um, uh mauricio shaw.

Uh, i mean these are these are actual women’s champions, but these are these women were trained by gladiator gladiators.

You know people who taught them and stood on there, allowed them to stand on their shoulders and express themselves in the ring they showed up every day with these women at the boxing gym, they were devoted, they deserve to be.

They deserve some of this championship.

Clout too, they were in it when there wasn’t in anything in it to get.

You know.

These are women’s boxing champions um the people who arne rosenthal arne tokyo rosenthal.

He was a actual specific women’s boxing promoter and he came out with a series called a ring of their own, and many notable female fighters fought on that card and arnie he’s a musician by trade.

But he took such an interest in helping women’s boxing as a sport grow and giving us a platform that he raised the money and and promoted and marketed something where we can exhibit ourselves and and who we, who the champions were at the time.

So going into.

Um my last coach, my um and and connecting him, and i have to say i i’m i have to say his name correctly, because um this this one is near and dear to my heart um.

So it’s sergey litok, okay and sergey litok.

He is, i would say, right now, he’s the best trainer in canada he’s located in canada right now.

He has the technology he has, he knows about the nutrition.

He introduced me to the ukrainian approach to boxing, and you know they’re i would say now is the time for ukrainian fighters.

You know they have lomitenko yousek yeah.

You know they have a lot of guys coming up from there and and funny enough coach.

Sergey uh was a part of both fighters camps, so i was able to be exposed to that um that type of education.

He is the first trainer that actually hooked me up to a machine just like on rocky and measured my punching power and um he developed and, and he has it, anyone would find him.

You know if this is a part of boxing in general, but he used me.

I guess, as a um as an example of how great this machine is um, he developed a boxing punching bag that measures uh the pounds per the the forcible the force of your punch by pounds, and he actually measured my right hand um that i could punch Uh my right hand punches 320 pounds of force in my punch, so i mean at the time when i was training with him.

We built up to that, and you know he has.

He has his program and his training method, but he taught me how important it is to evolve.

Technically, you got to do your homework.

It’S not about run just running five miles.

It’S not just about shadow boxing every day.

It’S not just about sparring.

It’S not just about that.

You know a champion has to do what the others aren’t doing, and this is inside the ring and outside the ring.

Okay, if you want to do anything and stand out in life, you know okay, everyone’s throwing the jab everyone’s throwing the right hand everyone’s throwing the hook.

You know you got to find a way to freak it like coach, yugi taught me, but you got ta also find find a way to put a stamp behind what you do and so coach sergey um.

He added uh that ukrainian education, he actually i don’t.

I don’t think people know about it, but you can actu.

He has a university master’s degree in pugilism in boxing, so he learned everything it took in a formal um in a formal educational environment to make a champion – and this is how like this is, how high it gets.

This is how um this is the height of the knowledge that’s out here.

So when you just walk into a boxing gym and you find a guy who, like i said before, wakes up one day and buys hand pads and says.

Oh i’m a boxer, i’m a boxing coach just know that there are coaches out there that have actual master’s degrees who have studied years.

Eight.

You know up to eight years about pugilism and about body mechanics and about you know, um anatomy, and all of these things that that scientifically breaks down a human being.

It’S important for you to know this, it’s important for you to know what this person who’s training.

You is going to add to you right because you know that’s generally speaking, but you know tonight’s titan tonight’s talk is a light.

Talk.

Okay and tonight’s talk is just chatting about not the fighters.

I won’t call any names right, but talking about the idea of knowing that there are people behind these women who are champions who are on top and we have to shine the light on them.

Because, as much as they’ve hurt us, there are many that have helped us in in the industry and those are those are real champions and and have pushed what we’ve done and what we do forward in providing the support showing up every day um putting together these Matches um and making the the making the climate of female boxing grow into the the competitiveness that we actually need.

In order for us to get that equal pay, i would love, i mean anyone, who’s who’s watching or anyone who’s chimed in.

I would love for you to leave a a message under in the comment and tell me the fighters who you find that are you know, leading the game or or or standing out, and they don’t have to be champions.

I i hate i, i hate that we only talk about the women with belts or the women that you know, sports illustrated or you know, are on tv or or the opponents no like i.

I want homework to be done.

I’Ve mentioned fighters before i’ve mentioned fighters, um old school fighter, chevelle halbach.

She she was a great fighter and she has a great story.

You know um and and she she was one of my favorite fighters as well: layla, mccarter, who’s, still a fighter now and she’s.

I i i i’ve said it she’s the pound for pound best female fighter out right now have a look at her um, let’s see who else? Who else um, you guys know i like synesia, estrada um, there is a girl named aksana, castillo and, and she is from honduras – have a look at her like these.

Are these? Are these? These are the no name fighters, but they are tremendous athletes.

Uh back in the days this woman was a a journey woman.

Her name was harry blair, you know she, she was so tough and she faced everybody from 100.

I think 120 pounds right on up to 165 pounds.

Somebody trained her.

You know just like somebody trained a champion somebody trained all of these women and and those are the champions, because if it wasn’t for these guys, you wouldn’t have a sugar.

If it wasn’t for these guys, you wouldn’t have a gwat, a client self-proclaimed guard clarissa shields.

You know um, oh i wanted to mention too there’s a fighter out right now: she’s she’s, taking her time and coming up her name is mary spencer.

I am excited to see how she does she had um her coach goodness.

What was i know, her coach, his first name is charlie he’s out of windsor, but he was a great.

He was a great coach, but he made mary spencer and mary smith was gon na.

She was a great amateur and i feel like she’s gon na, be a great professional, keep an eye out for her um.

You know there’s a there’s a long list and, like i’ve said i hate naming the names because there’s so many, but what i want you to do mia muto.

I love that and uh vinnie.

You came in with mia muto.

I’M sorry got dry in here.

Damn what wait did she find that come on vinnie? If you want to say something, tell me what weight did she fight at, because sometimes you guys teach me.

Let me look her up on box wreck real, quick.

You ain’t talking about me at st john right.

Let me look her up on box wreck real quick because you listen y’all ain’t going to give me half and halfway information on here.

I still love you.

Thank you for chatting with sugar.

Listen, don’t give me she’s 11 and oh, don’t give me no 5kos that still don’t impress me come on now.

You’Ve been watching, you’ve been watching all all the natalie uh sugar brown shows all the sugar shows.

I don’t believe in those 11-0 because they patting them out here and i don’t believe in no 5kos unless uh uh, unless you knocking them out like sugar, did i’m sorry.

Look at my punch record.

Look at my knockout ratio and those were those were real knockouts.

I mean you know she looks like she’s doing all right, she’s out of new zealand, okay, okay, um, so tell me now well, who tell me tell me, tell me who she knocked out put that on the table.

Give me a name that she knocked out, who give me a hold that she knocked out huh right.

So when you like, like i said before, these are women’s champions.

Okay, soon, all right, i got you babe, i’m here waiting, you know it.

We we got all.

We we got this time on on a wednesday night, i’m all yours.

So when you’re gon na come when you’re gon na come or when you women, don’t tell me she will have names.

No, we talking about fighters, that’s having names, and this is what i want to talk about hated we’re going to flip the subject now and y’all still y’all didn’t invite me on on friday.

But sugar need to talk about this, every new fighter, every new female fighter that can’t that come out ain’t, the fighter, you ain’t going to tell me she’s 11 and over 5ko’s, and you still can’t tell me who she thought and now you’re telling me soon.

I’M sorry, my time is money.

Tell me who she did they paid for those five kos tell me about the money they spent.

It was it money well spent who’s, the name right.

So all of these fighters, these these girl fighters – everybody got that.

Oh 5-0.

10-0.

18 or whatever, but guess what the old got to go and the o is going to go one day because either she’s a real fighter and she’s going to meet another fighter.

That’S going to take that o or she.

She won’t prove why she got the o right, but i in female boxing that oh no, that that oh, don’t impress me and that that oh shouldn’t impress anybody out there because everybody’s a winner in female boxing everybody, oh she just came out.

Oh, we should be excited absolutely not no, as fighters who are out here paying their dues, you know, fighters that are out there, like uh melissa, st bill, who has fought everybody and still hasn’t gotten her chance.

Oh um miss scott.

You said: why do you say that they’re not real k.

o.

s, because i i want you to fight, i want you to watch sugar’s other.

I want you to watch sugar’s other episodes, they’re, not real kos, because they’re not fighting other tigers, they’re fighting women who have less experience, they’re, fighting women who are built or who, who their managers and their matchmakers have found to ko right ted.

That’S why i asked give me a name because if she’s knocking people out look, look at sugar’s record right sugar knocked out kelly koffer in her one.

I i think fourth or fifth fight and kelly cobra was the champion.

Well, i didn’t knock her out, but i dropped her.

I didn’t.

I didn’t knock out kelly cover.

I dropped her okay, but, like i put, i was putting champions down right.

That’S why they left me alone, right, um, my last fight against jessica tamara.

I knocked that girl out, i knocked out jessica, camara and she’s a name okay and a lot of a lot of these champions.

A lot of these people that everyone wants excitement about ain’t busted, a grape – and this is women’s boxing and the other day.

I i watched something where some no name sat there and talked about.

We need equal pay, we need this wait, you need to fight a real fighter and then maybe you’ll get some money.

I mean sugar just gon na call it like it is.

I said what i said: they’re stepping stone, sorry, boo-boo ain’t, no such thing as a stepping stone knockout.

You don’t do that right.

Let’S go to men’s boxing men’s boxing, no um who was floyd.

I’M back in michael, tell me who was uh stepping stone knockout? No, who was floyd mayweather, stepping stone fight? I bet you, you couldn’t tell me who, who that was right, i’ll beat you to it.

It was a fighter named emmanuel augustus and emmanuel augustus.

Had a horrible record.

Okay, look at that man, but he was one of the most phenomenal fighters out there.

Okay, i don’t care about records.

Female boxing is not about records because the real fighters have screwed up records.

To be quite honest, i don’t care about somebody’s own.

Unless you telling me, unless you’re telling me who she fought and and actually who she she didn’t just end on her feet with, you know what i’m saying she ain’t.

No, she ain’t doing nothing out here and sugar said it and bring anybody that you interviewed on the show, because sugar going ask her amano imano.

Tell me what you doing out here: booboo right, a lot of people take female boxing as the easy way out.

A lot of a lot of trainers aren’t champion, trainers right.

They come into the industry too, and they couldn’t they couldn’t cut it in mailboxing as a trainer.

So they come to female boxing because they know in female boxing there’s a lot of bells and whistles a lot of these girls gon na have a matchmaker to fight a fighter that they’re they bat against and they’re gon na have this oh and then they gon Na look great as a trainer, that’s not the climate anymore, that’s not the climate anymore! You guys.

We have to have higher expectation of these female fighters.

Okay, don’t come to me with under 10 fights and i’m supposed to be excited about you.

That’S not the climate anymore right, don’t tell me what you will do go on and do it and come back and tell me what you did and and that’s what johnny used to tell me show me better than you can tell me that’s another one that jerome Coffee used to say that right, so when you have trainers or when you have people real people in in the fight world, having setting these bars and having these expectations and making, you have to be accountable for these stepping stone, wins and stepping stone, knockouts i’ll give It to jessica mccaskill, she used sugar as a stepping stone, but she the champ.

Now she she ain’t, stepping stone me and she could say she could say i beat sugar.

I beat cecilia break house.

I did all of this stuff too right and i give her her flowers for that right.

Katie taylor, you know she’s got several decisions.

She she’s.

You know she she’s pity pat her way, and i have to say pity, pat because katie taylor, ain’t busting a great.

Neither against real fighters now you know, but i’m not on here, y’all, don’t think that it’s that sugar’s, not hating on here right sugar is telling me why i mean sugar’s telling y’all.

Why why we have to step up in order to get equal pay? You want equal pay.

Tell me tell me who you tell me who you got these five kos against.

If you want equal pay right right, tito trinidad, the great sugar ray leonard, they got kos, but they got kos over some some baddies.

They got kos over some valuable fighters.

You can’t pick people fighters who don’t really have much value, ko’ing them and then turn around talking about what you will do, but you want my money now you want my you want my equal pay money.

Now, no i’m not going to pay, i’m not going to pay the same amount of money to watch clarissa shields, as i would terence crawford and they’re both champions.

I’M not doing that and i love clarissa shields and she’s a wonderful champion, but terence crawford is going in there and he’s fighting lions, okay, okay, i ain’t gon na give i ain’t going to give um and i’m about to wrap it up.

I ain’t going to give katie taylor my money that i done worked and she ain’t dropping nobody and she’s surviving to the end of a two-minute round.

I’M sorry y’all! I want to see women getting slumped.

I want to see that right.

I want to see you know i i i want to see that yeah, that’s the savagery of our of our sport and that’s what we signed up for and and and that’s why we should be taken seriously, but we’re not because we have a lot of these Paper tigers, that’s fighting the air bags and no one sees the value in it when we start fighting other lions lionesses.

When we start, you know, when we start calling out the monsters and slaying the monsters, then we’ll get the money.

So thanks for chatting, you know i love everyone that came in.

We had a party tonight didn’t we.

I love this and you guys chime in again next wednesday, at 7, 30 p.

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Light! Ah sorry like subscribe, okay and and share and come talk to sugar.

I’M looking forward to the next chat – and you know what i’m gon na start announcing uh the topic sooner but uh tonight, i’m gon na be honest sugar, just freestyle, because you know i want to keep it light.

I i want you guys to.

I understand that this is a conversation and on top fight, we keeping it talk, fight and i’m not on here to make friends.

I i have enough friends in fighting and there’s we talking about the bot, the business of boxing and the business of boxing ain’t ain’t.

Nice all the time right um, but you always got sugar and and sugar will always uh.

Tell you straight and we’ll always be here to talk about the sweet science that the ladies give to the boxing world.

So i’ll see you next wednesday.