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EPISODE: Episode 47
Today Mike and Cedric discuss these two great boxers with their special guests! Jack Chase was an African-American middleweight, who boxed in the 1930s and 1940s. He was born in Texas and fought mainly on the west coast of the United States. He boxed under the name ‘Young Joe Lewis’ for the first part of his career, before changing to Jack Chase in 1942. Hilton Edward Booker was an American boxer who was active during the 1930s and 1940s. Booker was one of the famous “Murderers Row” group of black boxers, along with the likes of Charley Burley, Holman Williams and Jack Chase, avoided by other elite fighters of the era because of their ability and their skin colour.
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[, Music ]: what up talking fight fans thanks for tuning in to another wonderful episode of knuckle up with your man, mike orr, at four and cedric ben who’s? In the den and yes, we are continuing with our black murderers row week and today we have a special guest in the house to help us talk about two fine gentlemen in the murderer’s row.
Uh jack chase and eddie booker are today’s subject and we have mr james angler in the house.
Yes, he’s gon na come join us james james thanks for joining us uh.
Thanks for coming to talk about uh the boxers of murderers row.
Uh such a pleasure.
I’M super excited that you’re here.
Oh did we lose the sound, i’m gon na get a sound back up.
Can you hear us good james? Are you good yeah? I can hear you, but i don’t know.
What’S going on uh, we can hear you okay.
We can hear you excellent a little bit delayed it’s a little bit late, yes, okay, james! Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule, man to come, join us and talk about uh such an important movement in boxing that a lot of people don’t really know about yeah.
I know i noticed that man when um uh, when your guy got in touch with me, he was like you know, have you heard of uh the murders road and i was like well not really.
I haven’t heard of any of them and uh.
When i did my research on them, i was like holy crap man.
I was like wow, especially uh, charlie berkeley man.
I yeah so much on him that it was ridiculous and uh.
He just reminds me of my my father.
My father went through the same.
My father could have been in one of the in this class with these fighters.
If he didn’t like infinities he’s going through uh some of the problems you know yeah, he has to fight him and i hate to see wasted time like this.
In our sport i mean we need to embrace it.
Not you know, discriminate against it.
We need to bring that in man it’s it’s so important, so vital exactly exactly um, so the two, the two fighters that we’re gon na profile today, i’m going to start with.
Mr jack chase first uh jack jace was born.
Jet was born january 27, 1914 in texas in sherman, texas um.
He actually started out his his career, going by fighting under the name young joe lewis, um trying to obviously try to emulate, emulate that style before actually changing his uh changing officially changing his name to jack chase in 1942 um, just like the rest of him on The black murderers row, even though he was ranked second in the world in his division, he still never got a title shot um, although he thought you know, he fought all the best guys um in the second year, mike’s gon na give us his his record, but Um, you know he he did win several regional belts in the usa, including colorado, state titles, rocky mountain, regional, middleweight and welterweight titles in the 1930s and 40s, including uh, california, state’s middleweight and light heavyweight titles in the 1940s and he retired in 1948.
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Uh mike.
Can you give us his uh talk a little bit about his record? Yeah, definitely well see mr jack chase here.
Uh amassed an amazing record of uh.
81 wins 24 losses, 12 draws with 35 knockouts, and you know for this 510 middle uh.
That’S that’s pretty huge man, those are some big numbers and uh yeah.
You weren’t, you were.
You were on point with uh these regional titles that he had uh.
You know he fought for a few of them um.
You can see it here when you check out his fighting record.
You know uh back uh 1936 ring magazine uh, you know, uh.
There was a huge, huge, huge bout there that uh he fought against eddie pierce uh that goes down in history is, is one of his good fights uh.
Also back in uh 1937 um.
He had another great uh fight against uh film mcquillen.
I believe the name is where mcquillen hit the referee, who had been warning him for various infractions and mcquillen was suspended six months as a result, uh and um jack chase ended up winning the fight.
Well, it went down as a no contest due to that.
So uh yeah man some frustrations that uh he was definitely causing his opponents for sure yeah james.
I was just we were just talking when we were talking about our guys.
Yesterday we were saying how it’s you know.
Obviously, it’s too bad that um, obviously back, then there’s not too much footage um! You know of these guys fights highlights for us to for us to see them fight, but just you know, because just knowing that their names are still carried on until this day, almost 100 years later um, you know shows you that the type of fighters that they Were back there right? Oh definitely, nothing out! I was kind of you know when i was doing my research on them.
I wanted to see the clips.
I was so you know agency clipped and i didn’t see too many of them.
You know i mean i was naked and in my mind i was like.
I wonder mike tyson got some of these cuts.
You know because custom auto was that’s back during his time, so i think maybe you know i know i can’t wait to see mike when i talk when i talk to him.
I’M talking about these guys – and i know cuss has something i know he must have seen some footage on them.
You know so it’d be very interesting, especially uh that boy jack chase was he was.
He was phenomenal too man, yeah yeah.
You know fighting more too and and and all those guys like ray robinson, the guys uh jake lamotta.
They had nothing but uh good things to say about those guys, man exactly exactly um.
Now, moving on to to to eddie booker yeah uh eddie booker was born november 5th 1917 in texas, usa uh.
He was an amit, it was an accomplished.
Amateur boxer um won several numerous state and national titles uh before before.
Turning pro in 1935, his nickname was the black dynamite eddie black dynamite booker.
They said he could bang or box uh depending on the situation, and you know he was.
He was known to be a defensive stylist with a with a methodical approach to the sweet science.
You know, as a coach, i always appreciate the guys that that really emphasize emphasize the defense um, despite not having a chance to to go for a world title and even though we know back, then you know they they had.
You know they had to take the toughest bouts possible.
There was no easy fights back then for them he still went undefeated in his first 44 bouts um before taking his first loss and um.
He he eddie booker black dynamite was actually the first person to stop archie moore in 1943.
uh.
Here’S a quick quote from archie moore uh.
This is an exact quote for marcie moore, saying um.
He had to.
I had some rough fights in my time, but all things being equal when i was in my prime one of my toughest i had to had to been against eddie booker a fighting machine who shot punches with death precision.
Uh buckler was one of the great one of the great fighters of my time.
He had me fighting for dear life and that’s a quote from the great archie moore who everyone recognizes.
One of you know one of one of the best ever another.
Another amazing defeat from mr booker is that he was never stopped in uh in his whole career.
Despite the high caliber of opponents that he faced um, he did have to retire a bit early in 1944 because of a detached retina.
Reportedly, do because someone uh, you know tampered with their gloves, which uh you know.
You know things weren’t really checked back then, but that’s what happened? There’S a horseshoe in there right yeah, something like that.
Something like that! Yeah yeah! He beat coco kid as well.
Didn’T he? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, that’s it.
They all yeah.
They all fight each other.
Like six times in that murder, yeah yeah! Well back, then you know they got they had to where everybody everybody got eaten and they want to yeah who’s the best too.
So you know it wouldn’t know.
Are we running from this uh? We want this just just lace them up baby yeah.
Exactly exactly mike.
Can you talk a bit about his record? Yeah man, um eddie, booker man, retired with a record of uh 66, wins five losses.
Eight no contests uh with 33 knockouts uh, this five nine middleweight man with a 73 inch reach.
That’S uh, you know big things: yeah used to go as black died, dynamite, birth place.
Alto texas, uh now resides well then resided in san jose california, where uh he picked up this career man and uh yo 1935 january 15th was his debut against ray lewis, another guy who was debuting, and he won that uh with a first round knockout man pro Debut for booker, according to the san jose uh news um, he boxed as eddie brooks at the start of his career, so he boxes another name which is uh pretty pretty interesting.
So how many rounds were these guys going? They you know i.
I know they were 20 rounds back then that that’s when i think they first started to introduce to deuce uh interest first introduce rounds.
You know, i know jack johnson and them they were just going until you know until somebody gives up.
You have like three four hour matches, but these guys uh.
I don’t.
I don’t think it was a set determined amount of rounds, but they did.
You know it doesn’t say that it doesn’t say that anywhere with the other certain amount of rounds, but i’m sure they took the achievement actually more in his time, so it had to be.
It had to be a lot of rounds.
Um you know yeah, i i haven’t.
I have noticed that um a lot of the a lot of the long round fights were when they were fighting uh members of the murderer’s row uh.
So when you go through when you go through their records here, uh, it’s not like with uh with eddie booker, it’s not until you get to his fight with um jack chase uh till till you see him in a 15 round fight uh other than that.
It’S all been 10 rounds, mostly and uh, and then you know the sixes and fours and, as you know, as you’re just getting into just getting into it.
But there was one fight that uh that’s interesting: um uh against johnny, johnny, natalie um, but wait time before you tell that story.
Just you know that just shows another reason why they were called the murderers row, because when they had to fight each other, they they increased the rounds yeah to make them take even more punishment, right yeah.
What else is what else is with a gloves? Would it like what six ounces eight ounces six ounces, because they were little guys, so i’m assuming i’m assuming yeah yeah, i’m assuming they were between eight eight and ten still and um, and again obviously, we’ve seen by the city.
I think it’s six ounces man ounces! Well, my dad was fighting.
It was eight ounce middleweight many ways, eight ounces.
So back then they had to be yeah nick, said, small glove, basically, basically some some winter mitts back in the 30s.
Back in the 30s back in the 30s and 40s, they were using six ounce gloves yeah uh in in the mid to late 40s.
So you figure, you know uh.
Some of these guys didn’t have, you know, don’t have the don’t, have the money to go out and be buying all these.
These new gloves.
So you know a lot of these fights are with those six ounce, mitts man, you know just keep your hands warm in the winter.
You know and nobody, nobody was checking back their knees as as the situation with eddie booker, nobody was really checking him.
So right you know it was very dangerous to be a fighter back.
Then you know you had like, like mike said: you had to be authentically tough to to live in that era.
You know and that’s the only means of of you eating wow.
That’S a tough job, you know, yeah yeah yeah, definitely definitely um the fun one of the funny things was is.
I did stumble upon a little story about jack chase and he actually, he had a promoter uh.
His first promoter was a guy that went by the name: babe [, Music, ] uh, who was the mover and shaker of the wallinsburg boxing scene in 1944 and at the earliest chase, was under the control of uh johnny kelloff.
So these guys had promoters that were pushing them.
Man for these fights, so they they had to be making some money.
Oh yeah, it was definitely you got ta promote it, definitely definitely interesting interesting, but yeah yeah.
That’S there.
We have it.
Those were our two uh main focus uh for today, mr jack chase and uh black dynamite.
Mr eddie booker yeah.
You know there is one thing that i wanted to say about jack chase yeah.
There was this stat that i did find that that was pretty crazy.
So 1936 uh december 28th.
He fought eddie pierce um ring magazine states that chase uh chase’s.
First, this is his first loss after 66 consecutive wins wow wow yeah.
So you know these guys were a force to be reckoned with and definitely they have.
They have paved.
The way uh you know uh for for the future of boxing men and for the future, african-american guys that are in boxing.
You know this.
These guys are so so feared and such an elite group man that that we have to recognize them in boxing and we have to let people know and not let their legend die.
You know it’s got ta be.
It’S got ta, be brought out there and brought to the people, man, it definitely does exactly.
That’S that’s uh.
This was all about just keeping the legacy alive.
Uh james you’re gon na join us for the rest of the week too.
Yeah definitely i’ll be back tomorrow, too man, thanks for actually perfecting that.
So all the talking fight fans out there today uh yeah man, uh thanks for tuning in to another another continuation here of black murderers row.
Uh definitely join us tomorrow, for the continuation we’ll have two new profiles for you.
Uh james is gon na come back and join us.
Thank you again, james for joining us today for uh for a quick little history lesson for everybody out there on uh on the murderers row and uh yeah man cedric take us away brother, it’s good man, yeah, just um.
You know, like i said man we’re keeping the legacy alive, there’s a reason why there’s there’s, obviously there’s been plenty of uh um.
You know black fighters over here since then, but there’s a reason why these specific group of fighters – you know names – have have lived on.
Um, along with the likes of of you, know, marvin hagler and tommy hearns, and the guys that came came after them.
So it’s important that we keep these guys names alive, definitely definitely yeah and thank you.
I want to say thank you for having me on as well and uh.
I like that you said keeping the legacies alive because that’s uh, my uh, my event that i’m putting together and that’s what it’s going to be.
That’S what it’s called take a second take.
It take take a quick minute to promote it.
Talk about it, real, quick, yeah um.
It’S real difficult to promote it at this point in time, because okay, we’re still getting everything together, but i just wanted to mention that that’s the name of the show keeping the legacy alive.
We’Re gon na have some some of the legends like their grandkids and their kids uh on the on on the card as well.
So and then my my son is fighting also so he’ll be on that card and uh it’s going to be really interesting.
So right now we’re just putting out all the pieces together we’re making a lot of progress so we’re expecting it to go down.
Um august 20th, uh 2022 at the end of this summer, so uh i’m real excited about it because uh uh, you see a lot of these kids coming up.
Man and um.
It’S gon na be interesting.
Man is this: is this an amateur or pro event? Oh no, this is program pro nice for all day.
Okay, nice thanks! Well, you know you have a platform here to promote it.
So you’re, good, hey! You have a platform here to live stream it if you’d like.
No doubt no doubt yeah well, we’ll help you we’ll help.
You live stream that and put it to the masses.
Man definitely doubt no doubt, okay, all right so to all the taco fight fans.
Man uh thanks for tuning in to this special episode with our special guest james hagler, thanks for coming out james uh.
Any last words you’d like to say to her to to to our guests that uh watching us around the world just keep watching baby keep watching.
Let’S go get real interested, that’s it! That’S it all right to all the knuckle up fans we’ll see you tomorrow same time same channel two new people, we’re gon na profile and uh james gon na come back and join us so make sure you guys tune in and see.
At the same time, all right peace,
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