Daniel Jacobs vs. John Ryder, Fisher vs Enguema | The Scorecard with Cedric | Talkin Fight
EPISODE: Episode 2
Daniel Jacobs vs. John Ryder, Fisher vs Enguema | The Scorecard with Cedric | Talkin Fight
Cedric discusses the scorecards from Daniel Jacobs vs. John Ryder and Johnny Fisher vs Gabriel Enguema.
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What up? What up? What up welcome to the scorecard on the talk and fight channel, um, so yeah? So this week’s main event, daniel jacobs versus john ryder.
This one was for a title eliminator for for one of the belts, my boy randy’s gon na come on.
In a second just specifically talk about the belts, but this was a title eliminator at the middleweight division um between mr jacobs and mr ryder um, a good fight uh wasn’t sure we weren’t sure what to expect from both fighters.
Ryder is kind of um, not well known.
He’S he’s been coming up on the scene jacobs, everyone knows he’s had some big fights in the past couple years, he’s been kind of quiet with his uh was fighting as far as big opponents in the past couple years.
So this was kind of kind of a crossroads for for both fighters.
Uh john ryder set himself before the fight.
This was, you know, uh.
He wasn’t sure what he was going to do after if he lost this one.
So this was, you know this was a.
He had a lot riding on this and um, and then jacobs jacobs had a lot writing on this too.
As far as crossroads of where he was going to be aft, you know in his career whether he won or lost this one um so getting right to the scorecards.
My boy randy is uh is popping on right now, um all three, where we’re gon na go through this.
I’M gon na talk about the judges, had it first and then we’ll give our individual scorecards and then then go from there um.
So all three judges had it 115 to 113.
One of the judges had it for jacobs and two of the two of the other judges had it had it for uh, had it for a writer um, specifically actually randy i’ll.
Let randy go first, give his score card and then um and then i’ll go from there.
Yeah i am i i had i had.
My scorecard was pretty much that as well.
I had for jacobs um.
I thought jacobs put put a lot of rounds early got a lot of rounds early in the bank early in the fight.
I i had him winning at least – maybe i think, maybe out of the first six rounds.
I think i gave him five out of six yeah yeah yeah yeah, something along them lines.
Uh ryder definitely picked up later on yeah um um, but i had the scorecard.
I still i had jacobs taking seven out of five rounds, yeah seven out of five.
I had it i’m talking sorry, seven out of seven out of twelve seven out of twelve yeah yeah yeah yeah into five, basically yeah, exactly yeah.
I got you, i got you um, i’m pulling up my score card right here again, the score card, the judge pad.
I mean it’s judge pad right.
That’S his name like that yeah um, an iphone reason right is the best the best judging app because you can actually go in and give details between each round, and you know make a mark specifically for the rounds that you think that that were close.
So i specifically had um rounds football.
First of all, my scorecard was 117 to 111.
Now, just hearing those numbers long people might think whoa.
That’S that’s that’s way off, because you know it was it’s a wide margin than what the judges had it, but the numbers don’t always tell the whole story.
That’S why i had uh.
That’S why i love this this this app here, because, specifically, i had seven rounds.
I had seven rounds that that i marked as close rounds, so it could have went either way, but i i believe in one one guy, you know, even though i voted for one guy, so out of the seven rounds that i had close, i had four rounds.
I gave four of those close rounds to um to jacobs and three of those close rounds to uh to ryder, so i and i still ended up with 117 111.
now it says right here too.
If i would have gave all those close rounds to ryder, then the score would have been 113 or one.
No, he still would have lost one thirteen one fifteen, so it still would it would have been closer so um.
I just thought in those close rounds and specifically the rounds that had close.
I don’t know if you could pull up your uh, your thing there, but i had the second round close and then basically almost right to the end five, six, seven, eight, nine and ten.
I had all marked as close rounds so, like i said, even though i had 117 111, you know it doesn’t, doesn’t mark mark the whole story.
I think ryder style he was.
He was doing his best to take control of the center of the ring and and and charge forward, but his offense just wasn’t there like it was more one or twos, as opposed to like three or fours that would have made it more uh um for him.
So that’s, i think, the way he the way that he made it close was by controlling the center of the ring.
He had very good head movement and you know the awkward southpaw style short stocky and just charging forward.
That’S how he made it close, but i still thought jacobs was a little bit more accurate with his punches.
What do you think yeah i do too, i think um.
I wish i would have seen jacob’s just been been a little bit more busier on the outside.
I didn’t like i didn’t like um.
I wish i had been more busy with it.
I think when he was throwing his jab, he was just like touching him not like.
There wasn’t really um like parring with it a lot.
You know yeah yeah, yeah um.
I thought i i really thought that if jake, i really thought that jacobs really had the pop to really hurt him.
I just don’t really think that he really.
I think that he could have been a lot more um.
I still think he did enough for the for the win yeah yeah um.
I i really just personally feel that i thought that jacobs could have um really hurt him.
Yeah really hurt him.
He could have used really used his job.
I thought that ryder was coming in where he was coming.
He was kind of coming in reckless.
At times too, like yeah yeah, yeah jacobs.
It was an ugly fight at times too, like jake, they were just holding.
I was just yeah exactly you know.
What would just remind me of that part? Um jacobs is one of the few fighters.
You know all fighters could switch stances, but jacobs is one of those few fighters that actually you know, can does it pretty often um, but in this fight he switched to southpaw stance.
I didn’t really think it was any advantage to it especially later in the rounds.
Um, you know he he didn’t look uncomfortable, but ryder was happy, was looking better in those in those later rounds when when jacobs went southpaw, so i was you know interesting to see why why he uh, you know why he chose to do that right right when He chose to do that um, but yeah.
That was it.
What do you think um goes from here, so this was a title eliminator and, as i said, both right before he came on, i said um, hopefully randy’s gon na come on soon because he knows he knows about the belts and all this and stuff um.
This one was a title eliminator.
So what is this? Not necessarily not necessarily the mandatory for canelo um, the the wba version which they were fighting for the wva eliminated wba david morrell jr is uh.
Is the wba interim champion um, i’m pretty sure he was interim champ even before canelo um fought for undisputed or was going for undisputed at 168.
um, but either way so this win puts ryder in more in, in that mandatory position from for the morel belt.
Morrell has to morel has an eliminator fight himself.
I’M unforgettable, i’m not sure yeah, we’ll look that up the same type style that what what jacobs and ryder going through right now morel has the same type deal.
Now i anticipate him just going right through that.
Whoever it is, and then ryder and supposedly morel will fight the winner.
Now is the mandatory for the wba version.
Okay, like the wb, the wbc version, which you have benavidez fighting lemieux and the hate that lemieux that benavidez.
Why is he fighting lemieux? That’S not his choice: yeah yeah, that’s the wp.
He ordered that hal lemieux is ranked number two in those rankings, like that’s another topic for another day, but but um, but benavidez cannot control the rankings or control.
You know what opponent is he’s ordered to fight if he wants to continue that path towards canelo.
What’S the date of that one, is there a date set for that one, benavidez and and uh ben avitas, and who i’m sorry lemieux david lemieux um? But that’s that’s for sure happening the date.
I don’t worry about the date, but that’s like it’s that’s um confirmed i i i’m not sure if they have a date and it could be wrong, but yeah, that’s confirmed what would be your your early scorecard prediction for that.
I don’t know how that’s even going.
The scorecard won’t even finish i got like i got, i got benavidez, i think ben videos would take him out yeah my you know my my you know he’s living he’s from montreal, so my heart, my heart, is, is with them, but my brain is thinking yeah.
That’S that’s not gon na go to be honest with you, like he’s, not the number two ranked like these, these different rankings that they have for these organizations, or some of them are just absurd – have lemieux over to have lemieux ranked higher over even plant saunders.
Anybody like it’s just ridiculous to me.
He can’t be ranked over saunders under school in that was almost a flawless scorecard with uh, exactly with um saunders, nmu um scorecards for quick prediction scorecard for next week.
You got um amir khan and uh kell brook with your quick prediction for that it’s going to be interesting.
Um, i’m going to go with i’m going to go with uh khan by split decision um.
I know kell brook’s gon na gon na is gon na.
Try to take advantage of um, you know of amir khan’s uh punch resistance is not not really at the top level.
As far as punch resistance, i think keller is going to try to cut him off and really try to throw some bombs that take him out.
Okay, i don’t think kell brook’s going to try to go the distance he’s not going to try to box 12 rounds.
Khan will, and i think, i’m i’m thinking khan will be able to to box him out for 12 rounds.
Yeah yeah, i think, he’s not getting cut.
There’S a couple other yeah i’d like um, i’m i don’t, but that’s pretty much the only fight going on next week.
I’M pretty sure i’m gon na go 116.
112 khan yeah i’m go.
I can see that being a close fight.
I, like um, i’m gon na favor, i’m gon na favor, um myself, i’m gon na favorite clown i’d like khan, a little bit more better.
You more, i think, he’s a kell brook’s, a nice counter.
Puncher, you got! You know what i mean he um.
You got a good jab cap, hellbrook’s, always known for a good job.
You know what i mean good one, two um, i think i like condo.
I, like i, like i’ve, always liked khan.
The thing with yeah and the thing with khan he’s got he’s got he’s, got big he’s got big balls that guy just jumped yeah yeah yeah yeah.
I mean you can’t you can’t take away from his resume win or lose.
I mean you got to give the guy credit.
I mean even him, jumping two weight classes to fight canelo.
He jumped up and fought canelo, which i think twisted.
I thought he was winning that fight.
Yes, exactly exactly exactly um yeah people.
Don’T talk about that.
The thing with khan, because it’s a superior speed – and we spoke about this before it’s like a because he’s so fast, but it’s like a pitcher, throw throwing a you know 100 miles an hour if you’re not used to seeing 100 miles an hour coming at you.
You know those first pitches are just blowing right by by you know, right by you, but if every single pitch is coming at the exact same speed, eventually you’re going to be able to time it and that’s exactly what what canelo did anytime, that that amir khan Has got caught in his career, it’s just from someone being able to time him.
Um yeah he’s got to mix it up.
Yes, yes, you got to mix the speed up like a change of like a picture, has a change of speed um.
So yes, but at this point at this point i don’t think kell brook has it to be able to take advantage of that? No, i don’t think he has a reflexes the way he did before and whatever um i i think was it.
Was it didn’t? He have eye eye injuries or something like that: um yeah um, something with love, glovkin, broke wounds, eye sockets, bones and then earl smith, damn near shattered, both of them yeah yeah.
There’S another good.
There’S a couple good, there’s another scorch there’s another fight, we’re missing: um um! I don’t know why.
I’M there’s another scorecard on my yes, the zone, we’re talking about this kevin cash and dom that’s martial.
There’S another great fight.
You know i mean.
Did you watch that one i i didn’t get a chance.
What did you watch it? Go ahead, go ahead.
Maybe that’s something you could uh look into watching them.
There was uh big controversy, i’m looking on twitter, you know what i mean and people i just find it so funny when people well.
I didn’t score this way.
I had him, you know i mean i had so and so winning and okay.
What was your score? I don’t know um, but i just no.
You have to have a score.
Yeah exactly add them up.
I had cash very rare.
Will you see a a guy winning unanimous decision being knocked down twice in the fight knocked down? He got knocked down twice once in the second round till 10-8 round.
The tenth round was a 10-7 round.
He got a point point deduction and got knocked down 10-7 round wow, but he won all the rounds in the middle.
He outboxed the guy in my in my opinion, and he won unanimous decision.
It’S a fight that you might want to look into.
You know: yeah yeah scorecard last week, raymond ford against uh vasquez.
Oh, that was a nice fight too in the zone.
So it was a great fight to score and debate with people here and there, like you, know what i mean yeah anyway, listening to chat, make sure you, you know type in type in your scorecard in the chat or email.
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All right, yeah that’d be uh, that’d be great and uh there you have it for this week.
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