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EPISODE: Episode 12
She’s a former competitive boxer in both OBA and Boxing Ontario, we speak about the differences. She had to hang up her gloves due to her diagnosis with Fibromyalgia, which we also discuss. We also touch a little bit on the stereotype girls experience with “having a romantic relationship if you’re a competitive athlete – or not?”
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Hello, everybody and thank you for tuning in to my next episode of the female fest.
I have a wonderful guest with us today she was the former brampton cup gold medalist in 2016, and she has also stepped in the ring with olympian mandy bujold.
So this girl is a brave force to be reckoned with.
I will note: please welcome caroline castin out here, caroline caston pug, kelly, wanken hi, kelly wonkan, i’m so sorry.
I really tried.
I was so calm charlotte, like don’t apologize.
It takes a whole training course to learn my last name so dad kelly.
Well welcome and i’m super excited great conversation with you.
So tell me you and i we met.
I think it was actually uh.
It was 2017 was it or 2016.
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I think it was 2016.
when we met i’m not sure sometime around then sometime around then, and you know i remember seeing you – i think i guess i think it was 20.
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2016.
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2016.
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2016.
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I remember thinking when i saw you.
You know that girl looks so sweet that girl looks so nice like.
I would never look at you and think that you would want to.
You would want to go into a sport like this, but that even made me more excited thinking.
This is great.
Like more girls are becoming confident to do this, that you’re seeing girls that look like a pretty girl like you and saying like no, i can do this.
I can step in here.
You know what i mean like i remember thinking like that’s awesome and i like, i was excited to get to know you and we didn’t really exchange a few words but like after the fight, but i just thought like this is this is a perfect example of How the sport is really expanding, so i just asked like: can you tell me like? I don’t think that we’ve ever had a deep conversation before like? Can you tell me a little bit about why you decided to walk into boxing when it was like? Why that’s a good question so when i started boxing um, i had just got out of a long relationship and i was feeling pretty down.
I was going through a little bit of depression and i just needed some somewhere to vent and somewhere to get rid of this.
You know kind of bad energy that i was kind of carrying around.
So i looked up boxing gyms in my city and i ended up.
I ended up starting at adrenaline and then i also moved to boomers and when i moved to boomers, that’s when i started competing so it just as soon as i started.
I just kind of was hooked and it’s just such an amazing sport.
It takes your mind off of everything and i just that was it: okay, okay, so this was something like uh.
You know what, like i’m feeling here right now and i need something to kind of just get this out of me.
I need that ugly feeling, that’s coming around inside me just to release it and yeah.
This boxing is always one of those go-to sports.
For that just to punch, something just feels so good absolutely, and i think from what i remember that you said is that you actually started with oba before you went into box stereo.
So did you have the option in the beginning to choose like to compete either under oba or boxing and cherry or like how did that conversation go uh? Well, the club that i was fighting out of at the time was registered with oba okay, so that was boomers and which is now closed uh, but they were registered with oba.
So i just that was all i really knew to start and that’s how i ended up competing with oba.
First, you know my very first bout ever was held at boomers no way.
I didn’t know that yeah yeah so um, but oba and box in ontario.
These are two completely different um organizations.
Yes, you have competed in both of them.
Can you highlight the differences that you noticed or like some of the things that you saw that were different? Oh well, um, i’m not very good at sugar coating things, so i apologize, but i think that boxing ontario was much more structured um compared to oba and it was much more organized and the main problem with oba was there wasn’t a lot of girls for me To fight like i fought, i had three fights with the oba and i had fought everyone that we know of that was at my weight, so that was it and that’s when i started considering and looking to see, you know what else is out there right: okay, Okay and boxing ontario too just for um just for the audience to know boxing ontario is with ayba and connected with iba, which is you know, the olympic route.
So anybody who’s thinking of going to pan am games.
Commonwealth games, uh, canadian, national titles.
That would be like for the province ontario you’d be with boxing ontario oba will not take you to um these kinds.
I think oba is geared towards more professional.
Is that right? I don’t know.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that, but a lot of um athletes that competed in oba, i noticed there was a little bit of a trend where they were going pro after you know maybe 30 or 40 fights compared to boxing ontario people had quite a bit more experience Before they considered turning pro right, especially because with boxing ontario, if you have the opportunity to go to a canadian national title which would take you, let’s say to like an international tournament, that would be even a qualifier right to go to these world championships.
Whereas i i’d assume that oba doesn’t offer these kinds of routes, considering it’s a smaller organization, am i right yes and they actually closed down shortly after i left the oba, so i mean it was kind of, i think, maybe on its last leg.
At that point, anyways yeah, i have like very little knowledge about oba, as you can tell so.
I definitely just wanted to kind of put that out there.
Okay, so great so you started with boxing and you went to boomers and then uh from boomers.
You obviously um had to make a transition, then right from boomers before or were you were you competing with boomers? Even when i was competing with boomers and then what happened was i met mark and we started doing some traveling for training together and that’s when i met coach socrates from combat arts and we just had like the best chemistry.
I knew i needed him to be.
My coach right away and that’s kind of what led me to switching over to boxing ontario right, okay, so mark he is now your husband, you had a beautiful baby together again, congratulations! Thank you! So you guys met through the sport of boxing and that’s absolutely beautiful and you know, there’s um quite a few couples in the actual uh boxing community.
You and i could probably think of a few off the top of our head that are together and they met through boxing and whatnot, but i find that there’s also this stigma specifically for girls that – and you mentioned to me before, that you never um, really had An issue with this, but usually this the stereotype, is that you shouldn’t be in a romantic relationship while you’re or i think a lot of just female athletes, probably get the same.
Talk like you can’t focus on your sport if you’re in a relationship because then you’ll be distracted.
So what do you think about that dynamic? Considering you are.
This is not your husband, but you guys met through this course.
What do you think about that um? I think it’s just really a matter of opinion.
I mean a relationship can be distracting or it can be supporting.
In my case, it was very supportive, so it definitely worked for us and it went both ways, but um i’ve seen a lot of instances where people are getting.
You know sidetracked with their training, because the relationship that they’re in isn’t working for the sport, like you, need to have the other person to really be able to understand and be on board with you, because it’s a huge commitment when you’re competing.
Absolutely because you know you look at um, for example boxing when you’re going to these really important tournaments, and i shouldn’t even just say boxing any sport where you want to take it to a competitive level and you have to put in the hours you have to Put in the days you have to be there, you know it’s a it’s a whole lifestyle and you mentioned earlier.
Sometimes people will say: oh, like you, only need two hours so easy for somebody to say that when they’re, not in the industry, right right right, so there’s an example of like that toxicity, where, if your partner is not supportive and understanding your position as an athlete, Then it’s not going to work out.
You need that support.
Just like anybody needs support with anything that they’re going into whether it be a sport, whether it be a business.
If you don’t have a partner, that’s helping you out, or just at least acknowledging that you have to make some sacrifices and being okay with that, then obviously, you shouldn’t be looking for a partner.
Then, if that’s what you got to focus on, but i don’t think that there’s anything wrong.
If you have the right relationship like we were saying: yeah 100 agreed because so i mark he is a pro boxer himself, he’s done very well for himself and uh.
You guys just opened up a new gym recently right.
Yes, that’s right! So um! Actually we just registered with box the ontario today.
So that’s pretty exciting yeah, so you’ll be seeing us around once things start picking up again.
It’S amazing um, our gym is called uh.
Actually, i like to say it’s: it’s mark’s gym um because he’s a co-owner there and he runs the boxing program.
So it’s him and four business partners it specializes in boxing and boot camps and the gym is called get enhanced inc.
Okay, so that’s located downtown london.
Ontario fantastic! Well, i hope everybody heard that so anybody from london that’s looking for a place to kind of check out there you go and also too so, during your competitions, like when you moved over to boxing ontario and obviously you got an opportunity to pay a lot more Than just three girls, what was that like for you taking that transition, and why did you choose specifically that, like you, wanted to actually start taking this to a competitive level like what were your goals with that um? Because i love this sport so much? I that’s.
Why i chose to start competing and but switching over was really nerve-wracking.
For me to be honest, because mark told me, like girl, you’re in for a rude awakening these girls in boxing ontario they’re out for the kill, and he was he wasn’t lying like i remember.
We went to um, i think it was huff gym for an open sparring and there was refs there that were helping out trying to get some experience, and one of them gave me an eight count sparring and after on the way home.
I started crying and i remember feeling like i’m such a wuss.
Am i actually crying like? I didn’t expect it to be so hard, and i you know like just seeing how much harder people were training in that area and um, even just with boxing ontario.
It was uh, it was eye-opening and i knew that you know i had to stick at it and i love a good competition.
So that’s wonderful to hear i i’m so happy.
You said that, because a lot of people when they have, as you called it, a rude awakening when they have a moment of clarity like this is the real deal like this is what it is.
A lot of people won’t take that next step.
A lot of people are like you know what, like i’m crying right now and like i can’t.
I can’t deal with this on a regular basis.
You know and they’ll be like all right checked out i’ll, just go and train recreationally and that’ll be my uh workout, but you said no, i love a good competition like that was your words right now.
I love a good competition, and that is one thing.
That is exactly the kind of fighting spirit that, like i love that, so you decided like okay, i had a.
I had a not so good day that day, but that’s okay, because tomorrow i’m gon na show up i’m gon na keep until i get better exactly good.
So tell me like from that point on.
After experiencing your first fight with boxing ontario, what did you think trying to remember what my first fight, who i was fighting for my first fight with boxing ontario? I think i think i remember the exact one it was and the fight stopped early.
So i think my opponent was stopped in the second round, if i remember correctly, so it wasn’t very.
It wasn’t very long but um.
I remember thinking like just feeling like i was in a whole nother place like as if i traveled to new york or something it was just like the different pace and and how professional the association was compared to kind of what i was used to and yeah.
It was great, i loved the whole experience and i really enjoyed boxing under boxy ontario.
That’S great, like that’s amazing, to hear that, like especially considering that you already had an experience before with oba and then when you made that transition, and you did really well obviously so that was kind of like uh, and this i’m assuming was after that sparring session.
That you had yes well, look at that.
You know, there’s there’s good days and bad days in yeah absolutely so like, and we were talking about too uh when we had the silver gloves fight, because i think that it’s really important when athletes.
If the fight doesn’t go the way that you were hoping for or if the fight is not like, you don’t get the outcome that you want to be able to have that maturity to be able to have that growth mindset of what can i learn from this? I think is super important, so you we, we had our fight, you fought justine and you also had the opportunity to fight an olympian mandy bujold.
Yes, so what was that like? Going into a fight against an olympian um? That was a little bit scary.
I remember taking the when i first agreed to take the fight or i think it was in a tournament, so i saw that she was the only other person registered so leading up to it, and i think i was checking boxy ontario website every day.
Thinking like, oh my god, please tell me, someone else is going to enter the tournament, i’m going to have to fight them first or i was just kind of panicking the whole time, and you know what it’s like in a tournament.
You don’t really know until a few days before your fight who your opponents will be or could be, and so i was a little bit nervous leading up to that, and i remember a lot of people telling me you know you’re, my friend and i care about You and i don’t want you taking this fight, you know some people are saying like you’re gon na get knocked out or you’re gon na get seriously hurt.
So for me i was you know it was kind of i was torn in the middle of like.
Should i take this like, i really want the experience and my coach sock was really supportive and he knows, like he’s been around boxing for a long time, so i decided to you know, trust what he said and he said you know: you’ve been training hard and Everything’S going well, you can do this, you know you might not come out with the win.
Let’S be honest here: she’s got, you know hundreds more fights than you uh, but he said it’s worth the experience.
You’Re not going to learn more from a fight than you can from somebody with that.
Much more experience from you, so that was really motivating for me to you know, continue on with that and go on to take the fight.
You know what that is like.
That is so amazing that you were able to have that mindset, especially when people are saying that to you like that, must have been so frustrating too, because it’s like i’m not that bad.
Like i don’t with it.
I know i’m not gon na get knocked out or something you know like yeah.
I can totally relate to you.
You know what like full disclosure.
I had this fight um with this girl bianca packing.
She was at the time uh.
I think four-time national champion in her division.
She had a lot more experience than me, just international experience and whatnot.
I was made out of atlas at the time and, of course, just as an athlete, you always have to have confidence in yourself going into anything.
You don’t have to have this ego and cockiness, but it’s the confidence that matters um so going into the fight.
I had to go actually fly to her hometown and do a double a duel match so fight her one day and then the next day fighter again and exactly the same thing, everybody was saying to me: you’re gon na lose everybody was saying to me.
Are you sure you want to do this? Everybody was saying to me: it is her hometown, like she’s gon na you know, she’s gon na get ready for this.
I even have people say like well just go there and have fun like just have fun.
Okay, i thought to myself like hey like i can i can do this.
You know like why.
Why is everybody like discouraging me? I thought it was so weird which, like you know if anybody wants to know, i did win the two fights, because i had to really push those things out of my head and just focus mind.
You, though, i wasn’t going in the ring with the olympian okay, like going in the ring with mandy, i train with her.
She is well just mandy herself, like she’s just another level completely, and i think that you know.
I think that she can totally meddle at the olympics.
I have full confidence in my partner that she will totally go gold so to say that you went into a fight with a girl that has all that experience all these alkalates, and so many people, discouraging you you’re a winner alone in that you’re, a champ for Showing up getting on that scale walking into the ring touching gloves getting in that ring doing everything you had to do not getting knocked out, not getting stopped, okay thing and you walked out with your head held high.
With all that experience, i never had a fight with mandy.
Oh really, i didn’t know that no, i never had a fight with her.
I i trained with her i spar with her.
Obviously, but even i really i’m surprised because you fought everyone yeah, but you know what i mean you still had to fight with her, like that’s the experience that you get to take home with you.
I think.
That’S absolutely amazing.
Thank you yeah it was.
It was really um an uplifting experience like, even though i lost the fight.
Obviously – and i learned so much from it – and i proved to myself that i can do this and i can hang in there.
You know it wasn’t an easy fight by any means.
I mean she’s mandy boujold, but um yeah like it’s it was.
It felt really good to show people.
That said, i’m gon na you know get knocked out or it’s gon na end.
My career et cetera.
I get it and you know what, like a shame on anybody for discouraging somebody like that.
I don’t agree with that at all.
I think that you know you decided to take the fight, so just focus on like getting ready for it.
Who cares like that’s like the whole point? Was the experience like we talked about.
That was the whole point right.
You know you’re never going to be there with somebody.
That’S higher so like it’s a great opportunity, nevertheless anyways so fast forwarding a little bit from that fight with mandy you i like have.
I have the how i’ve seen you’ve had a baby since you’ve been married and all that stuff, but i haven’t seen you competing.
Where have you been what’s going on? Tell me well, i think that my last fight was in 2017 and that’s when i decided to hang up the gloves.
So basically what happened was i didn’t end up staying around boxing ontario for too long and competing.
I had, i think, 12 fights within like one year.
They were all really close together and i was really really busy and then i started noticing probably around my eighth or ninth fight, that i wasn’t feeling well and it wasn’t that i was just burnt out from training or i had a specific injury.
I started feeling you know really really intense aches and pains all over my body, and i would have days where i just i couldn’t even walk and i didn’t understand, and then you know a week later, i’d be feeling better again uh.
So this weird pattern kind of continued and i was still competing while i was having these troubles and i started, you know – going to see doctors and trying to find answers and getting x-rays and ultrasounds and this and that and what happened was i eventually was diagnosed With fibromyalgia, so that put a big curve in everything that i wanted to do with boxing ontario and competing.
Can you tell us like exactly what that is for anybody who doesn’t know yeah, so there’s actually quite a few symptoms that come with that name, fibromyalgia, but basically it’s when um you’re experiencing severe musculoskeletal pain and discomfort so like joint pain, muscle pain, body aches and Extreme fatigue etc.
There’S also some people who have it suffer from depression, anxiety, mood disorders, i’m fortunate fortunate enough that i don’t struggle too much with that aspect of it.
It’S mostly just the physical.
So i had that going on and i was still competing against some pretty high level athletes, so i started to kind of get a chip on my shoulder feeling like this isn’t fair and it’s not really an even fight, and you know i’m coming up short on Decisions and it was just getting really frustrating and then in training.
I got a concussion, so that’s when i just kind of had to take a break and really slow down, and that was a whole learning experience in itself.
I love it.
Absolutely i’m really.
Sorry.
First, let me say that you had to experience this.
Is there like a cure for this, or is there is not um what it what it’s brought on by is um emotional and physical distress.
So for me i was kind of forced out of boxing, because i knew that was the only way i was going to feel better is, if i’m getting proper rest and if i’m trying to train to compete with the best girls in my area, like i’m, not Getting proper rest, it’s just impossible, so i hung up the gloves and kind of started.
Moving on to different things.
Mark was talking about opening up a business and we had just gotten married.
So there was a whole ton of big things going on and it was kind of an interesting transition, but i’m very happy with where things are now and wouldn’t really change it.
Okay, so again, like you know as we’re talking through these different topics, what i’m noticing about you specifically, is that everything that’s happened.
You have always looked for the positive and you always grow experiences, which i think is a really unique and a really beautiful thing about you specifically – and i didn’t know that about you – i’m happy to learn our conversation, it’s great and now like so now that you Had to deal with this, do you ever like um, just train like recreationally by yourself or like with mark, like? Do you ever all the time? Yeah? Okay, that’s great and actually affect you boxing like just for fun? No, no! It’S just that! It’S really hard to stick to a schedule where i’m um, you know on a hardcore regimen all the time and that’s kind of how things need to be when you’re competing like you’re training, two three times a day.
So that’s not really reasonable for me, especially now that i have a baby but um yeah, i train here and there i actually do some coaching at mark’s gym.
So i help him out amazing.
So this is.
This is great to hear.
Like you know, obviously i would never i always empathize, because as a competitor, i think, like you know, i’m sorry that you had to kind of like take the competitive side out of it.
I know you loved it.
I know that like well, yeah talked about you’re willing to step in there with an olympian.
So what else would it you do? You know that’s great, so obviously i’m very empathetic to that.
But you know that’s great that you didn’t have to give up the sport.
That’S great that it doesn’t like affect you in a sense where you can’t still enjoy that part, and obviously boxing very dear to your heart.
Yes, yeah definitely, and i think it’s really important to show other women who have a similar situation where they’re kind of forced to stop for one reason or another, whether it’s a concussion or something less serious, that life goes on you’re, not just a boxer you’re.
All these other great things, and just because you know you have to take a short break from competing or you can you know you have a really bad injury and you can’t box right now or you don’t know when you’ll be able to again there’s so many Other things that you can be – and you can be amazing at it – and you know you can learn to channel this energy that you have for competing in boxing in other ways to pay it forward to other people.
And you know to keep yourself happy and you know just interested in boxing all together, there’s tons of opportunities out there.
That is such such an important point that you just made.
So thanks for not just a boxer, you are so many other things, and boxing just happens to be one of the ways you show that that is so important, even myself like going through well, you know, like you were just saying, like competing, is very stressful on Your body competing is very stressful in your mind, especially when you’re going in with these high level athletes.
Many times my coach, my performance coaches, had to tell me exactly that, because i would get in my head like if i don’t win.
If i don’t like do this good this and that – and he always have to remind me like – but we love you anyways – you just got ta show up and give your best and that’s all we have that’s it yeah and even if it doesn’t work out because He used to tell me that if there’s gon na be a day that one day you’re not gon na compete anymore and what then, like, you have to be aware that you are still this incredible person you’re still this incredible athlete, you know nobody can take that From you and you take all those wonderful qualities and you just channel it in different ways and exactly that took a long time for me to understand, but i’m really happy that you put that out there because a lot of girls you know they just like.
I was you get caught up in that, like you know boxing, this is it.
This is it this.
Is it yes yeah? You have a focus like, for example, mandy as an olympian.
This is her focus right now is the olympics like, but i think that mandy is very aware that her identity is not just that.
I think that she’s aware that you know i’m not trying to speak for her, obviously, but she’s an amazing person.
She just channels she’s, just chanting it right now into boxing.
You know, i’m sure that when she retires she’s going to probably do a lot of other things, you know yeah like whatever, and i so.
I think that that was an incredibly important point that you made, and i think that that is like.
It speaks volumes of the kind of person that you are, and i also had a lot of support around you too.
I think that mark has been a great supporting supportive partner from what i understand.
Yes, definitely, and it goes both ways i mean when he was um.
You know fighting on a regular basis.
It was the same way like he would be leaving for training camp for weeks on end, and you have to give that support and understand where people are coming from.
That must be really hard.
Like one thing i said is, like you know, i’m the athlete.
So it’s hard for me.
I haven’t really personally dated athletes that are competing at the same level.
I’Ve! Never i’ve, always kind of stayed away like from doing that.
Just because and like i could never picture myself like wow like if my partner was doing the things.
I was doing going to ireland for like a week going here going there like.
That must be like hard to do at times.
How did it feel for you um? I was excited for him, like i understand what it’s like to be competing and – and i was just really happy for him and to see him live in his best.
Life is gon na.
Keep me happy, so it just goes both ways.
Yeah and you know like.
I guess i guess too, because you have experience in the exact same sport.
I guess that kind of also helped you both with supporting each other, because you both have a deep understanding of it.
Exactly yeah amazing well like, and what, if, like, now that you guys opened up this gym, i mean, obviously you know the the heavy thing here is covid.
So how has that been? How have you guys been doing with that um because the gym opened during covid? We haven’t really had to adapt too much because the rules were already like that when we got there, so you know we just have been going with the flow and the lockdowns have kind of sucked right now we’re in um.
I think we’re in orange zone.
Right now, so things are a little bit better here in london than they are in miss.
Are you in mississauga or kitchener? Well, like my gym that i coach out of is mississauga i’m with uh.
I i train in kitchener so right like here as well, but over there it’s like open right yeah, so i mean we’ve been able to keep up with the guidelines that are going on right now and um yeah we’re looking forward to what’s next.
Okay.
Well again, like that’s great and that that was really brave to open up during a pandemic like this, you know when everybody’s businesses are shutting down through all this, but you guys are like nope right.
We made a plan this is it so we’re opening exactly right.
You know what they say: resistance uh creates strength there.
You go no pressure, no diamonds, exactly great well.
You know what i really.
I really loved this conversation because i think that sometimes people get caught up with always talking to these athletes that are like world champion of this canadian champion of this and or or um irish champion of this everybody wants to hear, but i think that it gets Lost in translation that there’s other athletes that have also competed in the sport that have this incredible journey and it may not have been holding a canadian title but, for example, like with your experience like this is very quality experiences and it’s very important for other athletes.
To hear like this is my story, and my these are my um challenges that i’ve had.
These are the things i took away from it, and this is very unique and i love it.
I’M really happy that you were comfortable sharing this with me and for everybody.
Yeah, well, i hope that you know, maybe somebody will hear this and it will help them.
There’S um such there’s so much room for growth for women in this sport, like we have so many things going against us right now, and you know it’s it’s a hard time in society like we have eating disorders, and then you know you add that with cutting Weight and these high expectations and there’s so many things weighing on women from different angles.
And you know it’s it’s hard, just being a woman in this sport and a male dominant sport, and i think you know it’s great for us to connect and talk like this and really be able to open up and share our stories.
I’Ve enjoyed hearing everything that you’ve had to say on your on your podcast, so yeah.
Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it, of course, and you know before we close off, you actually mentioned something that was important: um right eating disorders, you’re, right yeah people are very like uh.
Well, woman, specifically, you know with this uh idea, that’s like shoved into space in our face, especially nowadays with like the new trends of like um.
You know cardi b um nicki minaj like these are now like the trends, and these are now the things yes and are like.
Oh, you know yeah, that young girls, you have a beautiful baby girl that you just brought into the world so now, you’re gon na be very conscious about the things that they’re seeing in the media.
Um with that said, when you were going into boxing, were any of these things, something that you had to kind of really struggle with or something that you found challenging in any of these aspects.
For yourself it was – and i see it a lot in other women too, and you know we have these high expectations and i think that women are really good at comparing themselves to other women and it’s not a healthy way to be, and i’ve also, i don’t Know if you know this, but i’m also a nutritionist, so i did not know that yeah.
I became a nutritionist when i started competing in boxing, because i wanted to know more about cutting weight and helping my friends cut weight, rare yeah.
So that was something that i picked up through my boxing journey and it really did teach me a lot about.
You know what’s healthy, what’s not um not just eating wise but mentally when it comes to expectations and weight and weight cuts, etc.
So yeah there’s like i could go on forever about all this stuff, but i i’m gon na try to stay on on topic for you.
I mean, like.
I didn’t even know that about you.
You kept that secret.
Sorry, i have lots of stuff.
I have so many things that just oh it’s just another thing, that’s like a surprise, and it’s a great thing to hear.
I didn’t know that you were doing that and for those reasons that’s great yeah.
So i know i mean my door is always open for anybody, that’s struggling in that area and any female or even male boxers that you know are having a hard time with weight cuts or you know not really sure.
If you have, you know healthy expectations when it comes to things like this, my door is always open and feel free to reach out to me.
I hope that everybody heard that, because that is very important, it’s a very common thing in boxing for men and women is the wig cuts.
Sometimes they do very dangerous, wig cuts and half the time when you see these knockouts in the ring.
It’S due to dehydration.
It’S due to lack of proper nutrition, it’s not even because of the actual opponent, it’s because of care of their body and they’re not prepared for those kinds of impacts.
So super, like that’s great, to hear that you actually took it upon yourself to you know what let me educate myself and let me make sure i’m doing this.
The right way.
That’S well, and i think a lot of people should take note of that and if they have questions there, you go caroline.
Thank you.
Oh thank you.
I had a great conversation with you today and i’m really happy that you shared your experience, which is very important, and you know i’m really looking forward for everybody to hearing like you know what you’re going through right now and you know that they don’t have to Cut themselves short that they can keep going and that you’re not just a boxer you’re, so many other things you’re just channeling it through boxing.
So i i love that so thank you.
So much for being on the show with us.
You’Re welcome scarlett.
Thank you.
So much for having me it’s been a blast great.
Thank you, everybody for listening to this episode and stay tuned for next week’s episode of the female fist.
Thank you.
Caroline
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