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EPISODE: Episode 8
After a historical presentation on famous “turn of the century” fighter Jack Johnson, we discuss Dirrell vs Davis and Canelo vs Yildirim, among many other upcoming bouts, lead us into a great weekend of fights. The panel welcomes guests on the show to discuss boxing both fighters and the fights, from yesterday and today. @Canelo Alvarez
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Hello there talking fight fans, welcome once again to another exciting episode of the friday night panel.
Tonight we have a special guest joining us, not from the world of boxing per se, but the world of talk and fight.
Neil the deal welcome to our panel.
Thank you very much for joining christian and mike uh derek is uh with his dad who’s uh not doing too well these days.
So we wish him well and hope he’s gon na get better.
In the meantime, we have an excellent weekend of boxing in front of us and we would like to discuss that uh.
We have uh.
Well, you guys will get into him, but before we do, i believe christian’s going to lead in with a bit of a bit of a history lesson.
If i’m not mistaken, uh got something to eat up yeah without doubt, i’m looking forward to the canelo fight.
I’M sure you guys are i’m looking forward to the derrell versus davis fight.
I’M sure you guys are uh, but there’s lots more to talk about, but before we do, let’s uh, let’s see, let’s hear what christian has to say.
First, go ahead christian, so one of the things that’s going to come up invariably later on is going to be the odds on the canelo fight, for example.
So i wanted i came across this a little while back and it was about a little movie that was made back in 1910 and how it caused, even at the time, a former president of the united states to call for an end to all fry all prize.
Fighting in the united states of america, as well as put a ban on uh, sending footage of prize fights across state lines that lasted for almost three decades.
So what i’m talking about, of course, is the jack johnson’s knockout of james j jeffries in 1910.
So the first black heavyweight boxing champion, as we all know, is jack johnson.
Now he would break the unboxing’s infamous color line in 1908 when he defeated the canadian tommy burns johnson had been unable to get a fight with the longtime champions.
James uh jeffries, who had refused to defend his title against him because he was black now jefferies was the fourth fighter recognized as the world heavyweight champion, and the three champions before him had also all refused to defend against black fighters.
Now the heavyweight championship was, of course, uh.
This was the big prize and a huge deal when johnson finally convinced tommy burns to give him the shot that the previous champions just wouldn’t do now.
Burns had won his title from marvin hart after jefferies had retired in 1904.
, so johnson finally won the world heavyweight title on december 26.
1908.
That’S boxing day for anyone in the commonwealth, that’s a full! Six years after uh lightweight champion, joe ganz became the first african-american champion uh, but johnson’s victory over the reigning world champion canadian tommy burns at sydney stadium in australia only came after following burns around the world for two years and taunting him in the press for a Match and and even at that burns only agreed to the to fight johnson after promoters, guaranteed him thirty thousand dollars or approximately about eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars u.
s in today’s money and once again using our super accurate talk and fight maths, uh.
But this fight lasted yeah.
The fight lasted 14 rounds before it was finally stopped by the police in front of a crowd of 20 000 spectators.
Johnson named winner.
Now the heavyweight championship being won by a person of color did not sit, particularly well with certain americans.
Slavery having just ended a few decades previously – and you know, racial tensions were still high and as a direct result of this james j jeffries opted to come out of retirement to fight johnson.
It would be known as the fight of the century now the heavyweight championship that took place in reno nevada on the 4th of july 1910, when the reigning champion jack johnson, a black american, knocked out the former heavyweight champion james j jeffries, a white american in the 15Th round of what was reported to be a very one-sided fight.
Now this fight was already a media sensation weeks before it had happened, and this sparked the motivation to film the event in the first place, as it was thought to be a guaranteed money maker.
Now the fights promoter – george tex rickard, who was also uh, who also refereed the bout sold exclusive film rights uh.
It was recorded by nine cameramen and was approximately two hours long full film, and it said that novelist jack london was also there reporting on the event.
Now, since johnson again was african-american and jefferies was white, the competition had already taken on major racial overtones.
The press had dubbed jeffries the great white hope, uh and sports writers and white america in general were kind of baffled when johnson just beat him silly and it actually caused race riots in many places across the u.
s and provide which provided the film with more public Attention in the us than any other film to date or any of the film would get for another five years until birth of a nation came out in 1915.
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Now, on the 7th of july 1910, only three days after the fight, various states and cities in the u.
s declared that they would not allow screening of the footage.
The picture was banned, virtually everywhere in the south, as well as south africa and in india.
Two weeks later, former president theodore roosevelt.
As we all know, an avid boxing fan wrote an article for the outlook in which he supported the banning of not just moving pictures of boxing matches, but a complete ban on all prize fights in america, and he cited crookedness and gambling that surrounded such contests and That moving pictures have introduced a new method of money getting and demoralization.
So this controversy surrounding the film directly motivated the us congress to ban distribution of all prize fight films across state lines in 1912, and that ban lasted for nearly three decades until it was finally lifted in 1940.
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In 2005, the film jeffries johnson fight of the century was entered into the the u.
s national film registry as being worthy of preservation.
So i wanted to think about that.
Roosevelt didn’t like this because he said the gambling and the crookedness, because again, i’m sure odds are going to come up later on.
But that’s our history lesson on the day.
Wow was that uh was that courtesy of black history month, though, is that what is that? Why you went down that little rabbit hole there? That’S pretty amazing! I actually uh timed it just.
I happened to come across that story actually earlier in february, but now that you mention it a couple of weeks ago, but as we’ve had some special guests on the show.
As of late, we haven’t been doing uh too many history tidbits.
So i’ve had that one in the back pocket waiting, uh waiting for our moment, and i took it right on all right mike uh once you lead us into this weekend of fights that we’re all looking forward to what’s up definitely yo.
First, first of all, yo christian did your pillow grow from last week, because it looks like one big one.
Now you had to mention the pillows, it’s okay, man, they’re.
Only four ounces they’re.
Only four ounces, that’s good! That’S good! We can knock somebody out there.
Uh yeah, we have a huge weekend of fights.
First of all, there’s a fight.
Today we uh scardinia and nunez or nunes.
This one is uh, this one’s a big one, man screaming is 18 and over 14 knockouts.
He makes his long-awaited return to the ring following a nasty 2020 and frustration in which he did not fight due to the coronavirus pandemic, so this guy’s itching to get back in the ring to fight nunes, who is another strong 17-2 with nine knockouts, and he you Know he’s once overcome a disappointment of his wbo international title fight with zach parker being cancelled in december due to a cut man returning positive with this coronavirus again, so that’s a big card.
That’S actually happening tonight.
It’S got a great undercard.
There’S a lot of a lot of guys on it, some some unknowns, definitely uh.
There’S.
I believe i think, there’s about eight eight fights on this card and uh yeah.
You got ta check them out because there’s a lot of kids that are up and coming right.
Now that are coming on this card, we also have the card that i’m i’m excited about: it’s the wbc and wbo asia, pacific and continental titles.
Honestly, i don’t really know these fighters too much.
I i’m just getting into this league, i’m not even going to try to pronounce the names, because i’ve been trying it’s not going well, you know, what’s not going well anyways the one guy he’s from kazakhstan he’s on his fast track to a title shot literally the Guy’S you know, professional debut was only a little while ago, he’s 2-0 with two knockouts and now he’s fighting for a title.
That’S supposed to be a big one and then on that other card, there’s another title: fight that i’m i’m interested in.
Seeing and that’s the another asian w.
That’S the wbo, i believe no, the wbc asia, continental uh.
You got a veteran in smirnov and he’s taking on this uh this kid who’s really like making a debut.
His name is uh as as as being off as man.
I’M not doing this right, i’m i’m doing horrible.
With these things here, man, i’m gon na, have to start taking you’re doing worse than i do.
Buddy, don’t worry, let’s keep going.
I’M gon na literally have to write up cue cards and just start flashing.
It like this, so people can understand, but yes also um.
There’S been some fights that were cancelled, actually um, cass, cask and uh woodstock has been cancelled due to a covid issue.
Uh, that’s a little upsetting.
I was looking forward to seeing that fight.
That was going to be uh.
Probably one of my favorites.
It was the british super featherweight title uh, it’s long anticipated.
They don’t have a new date coming up as of yet uh.
Also we have the darrell and davis card that that card is, you know, that’s that’s a pretty exciting one.
There um.
I know you guys.
Probably neil, i think, you’re up to date with uh darrell and davis uh, graham i’m not too sure if you’re, if you’re up to date with tyrell and davis, i’m not too sure but uh anthony drewell is a natural born fighter.
Man he’s had to overcome several obstacles in his life, but he’s a two-time super middleweight world champion.
Each time he’s had to come back, he’s done it and been even stronger than before.
This guy is honestly he’s he’s, set up to really put on a show this weekend.
Man, and i hope that we’re going to be featuring them on our sunday knockout of the week, show that i’m very very excited to see what that fight has in store.
Also, that card is looking very well.
You know it’s.
It’S got a lot of a lot of people making their debuts.
That’S what i’m interested in man there’s a lot of kids coming out this weekend.
You know you got one event today, you got six events tomorrow and during all those events, there’s at least 20 20 new fighters that are just entering the scene.
Some are debuting.
Some are only two to three fights into their career.
There’S a lot of undefeateds facing undefeateds.
You got a lot of veterans facing these new rookies.
You know it’s gon na it’s turning up to be a very exciting saturday to be honest, uh.
I know exactly where i’m gon na spend it it’s going to be on.
My couch on my ass in my underwear with a beer and a notepad taking notes and watching these young cats.
As i’m telling you i’m going to be featuring a bunch of these guys on my show in the weeks to come, but the long anticipated that everybody has been talking about, we all know it.
I can’t believe it’s actually happening the canelo and the older fight is tomorrow.
I know everybody’s talking about that.
That’S a huge deal.
I know everybody’s itching to put their two cents in.
So, let’s just begin the debate by saying what the hell does yildram think he’s going to accomplish by stepping in the ring with canelo alvarez, go neal! Well, uh! It’S nice to see you guys, [ Laughter, ] christian! That was amazing! Thank you! So kylie mikey, hey! So uh yeah the canelo fight mikey all right.
Let’S talk a little bit about this guy uh.
Definitely apparently he’s not too scared of this uh.
Yet what was the guy’s name again mike yieldrum yeah of me, yieldrum yeah yeldram, i mean he’s, got a good record at 21-2 right and obviously he’s i’ll.
Tell you, though he does, he does have great he’s, got great movement, he’s got great power punches and he can put his combos together really well, i’m not saying that he can’t win.
I’M just saying that canelo’s at his best right now and you know maybe if you caught canelo on a bad day, yojer – might be able to come through with this victory.
But i’m telling you right now from from me watching all the training, videos and the hype up to this match that that’s been anticipated.
I can’t even believe it’s a two-fight deal man, it’s such a waste of damn time.
I think to be honest.
Well, i don’t know why they’ve signed a two-fight deal for this snorefest.
I think it’s going to be a couple of rounds in and then jildrim’s going to get his [ __ ] i mean head knocked in.
I was going to say something else, but i stopped myself there, but yodram is not a you know.
He’S he’s not he’s not a crab fighter man, he is a good fighter, but when you bring canelo at his best he’s not going to be able to perform this at that at that caliber man.
To be honest, that that’s that’s pretty much.
What i was going to say myself to mike honestly, i mean canelo right now is at top form all right.
We all know that he’s really ready to go like he’s got something to prove to himself.
I guess is what it is.
I don’t know what that mean.
He lost one so that really upset him so right so yeah right so anyways this guy, you know he’s got a chance because you always have a chance if he gets a good shot in there.
That’S my opinion, then yeah, but other than that canelo.
This is this.
Is this? Is a canelo fight? That’S not! You know, he’s going to win this fight, pretty easy, there’s nothing in between these guys, either by the numbers.
You’Re.
Looking you know, yieldrum’s got a two inch height advantage, but canelo’s got a one inch reach on him.
It’S pretty bloody close honestly, but but the the the way canelo moves he’s he’s, unlike any other guy in the ring man right now, he’s he’s one of those guys that just you can’t hit him.
Man he’s his ability to be able to slip.
Your punches uh frustrates a lot of guys and really throws them off their game, and then you have yieldrum right.
You know he’s 21 two and with 12 knockouts he’s been biting his time to fight for the wbc title once again, having been frustrated in his last outing when he clashed uh for the vacant crown with anthony jarrell in minnesota in february of 2019, and then that Ended in a technical decision win for darrell, so yieldrum’s hungry, we know this.
We know he wants to come out.
We know he’s trying to get this belt.
He wants it because you know what it’s already been in.
His grasp he’s been there, but it’s been.
It’S been decided.
Another way now is: does he have the ability to come to the ring and and and bring it to alvarez sure he does man sure he does, but it’s is alvarez at his best and you’re gon na catch them slipping because you know what we’re talking about.
One of the greats here – man, you know, alvarez – is 54-1.
You know the bringing experience there alone.
Just speaks numbers ring.
Experience is a lot along with technique and when you watch when you watch the two styles of training, you know, alvarez canelo is just a totally different entity of fighter man.
He’S got more in his arsenal than some of these guys.
You know have ever learned it’s.
It’S ridiculous but canelo i look down mike come on buddy come on, but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, what do you think about it? Man? It’S it’s combat sport, so it all takes code.
Okay, it’s a good shot.
Yieldrum’S trainer says that yieldrum is like golovkin and that’s and now you know that that him and alvarez had already had they had had two matches right and the last one came into a draw.
Definitely so that’s that’s who that’s who yildron’s trainer says he’s like? Yes, the only thing, the only thing i could see.
The only thing i can see is if that upset is coming, that’s only because yieldrums have that belt in his grasp.
It’S been there and he’s lost it now.
He has that opportunity to do it again, and you know what if he does bring his a game and – and he you know, he’s more hungry, yeah man, the more hungry your guy, the guy, with the most heart’s going to win.
Well, he’s also got a bit of the inside track here that you may not realize as well, because one of the reasons that they say he’s like golovkin um and they say alvarez – knows he’s just like him too, and the reason is, is that yildrum was brought In as alvarez’s sparring partner to prep for the golovkin fight, they were sparring partners he’s been in the ring with alvarez before he’s trained with alvarez.
Yes, he’s done this before and they actually, they allegedly allegedly his camp, really wanted him back for the second fight as well, but at that point, yildran was training for his own fight, well got therapy.
So what do you say? Crazy stuff, if you say you’re saying it’s coming through the wind yeah, i think no, i don’t know about that, but i don’t think it’s going to be as one-sided as you as you seem to be kind of projecting.
At this point, i don’t think it’s going to be.
I just think it’s getting the canela canelo aberration.
I got a prediction.
I got it distance man.
I just wanted to end in a damn knockout man, that’s what i want.
I don’t want to see some 12-round snoozer 10-round snoozer of these guys, batman back and forth.
No, i want to see a guy hitting the mat like last weekend when the guy freaking did the ostrich.
Okay, that’s what i want to see.
I want to see somebody do the ostrich or the freaking.
You know the falling tree.
Well, i think yieldrum will be trying to try to come out early and fast because he’s not going to want to have to go.
The difference will go the distance with alvarez.
So i think you’re going to see him at least try that fast, yes, very early on honestly.
Another big fight, though i think, is going to happen, is the you know the darrell and davis fight’s going to be huge too man.
I think that’s going to be.
You know, i think that’s going to be good for the 168 world title thing.
You know the world title event.
I think that’s going to be a huge event as well.
It’S not going to be he’s going darrell’s going for his third first third wbc yeah.
Definitely, yes, he is and then yeah.
You know.
Cairo davis believes that you know it’s his moment to shine man.
You know he’s under that spotlight and he’s ready to he’s ready to smack out darrell.
So are both these venues allowing fans um, i believe.
Well, what do we hear after last week that the uh the mgm bubble yeah? It’S done so yeah yeah.
You have fans boxing fans now yeah they’re, allowing fans – i don’t know i would think limited capacity.
It’S gon na be yeah.
Definitely it’s gon na be limited capacity, but could you measure the price of those tickets yeah? Really exactly enough people? I mean boxing tickets were never cheap in vegas, so so neil neil you’re going to offer us a prediction.
What was your prediction? Well, my my prediction earlier on for this uh canelo fight is uh.
I’M gon na take i’m gon na.
Take canelo uh tko in the eighth round.
It ain’t going to last that long mikey one round.
Well, you seemed that you seemed to be alone, something like that might be more and more, but you know what i mean like this isn’t happening.
It didn’t go past seriously, come on it, ain’t going past the third i’m predicting for yeah.
That’S where i’m knockout yeah! That’S right! I think let’s go in the distance.
It’S gon na.
Do me like it used to do me back in the 90s.
Go in the distance man to watch mike tyson i’d stay up all night.
You know i go to the bathroom and i miss the whole.
Damn fight.
That’S it god! That’S what i wanted, but this time there’s your 69.
95.
So speaking of vegas and speaking of the numbers here, uh, you guys both seem to be thinking along the same lines here and that’s an alvarez knockout and the the odds makers seem to be along the same lines as well on this as well uh with a Recent, i don’t know, obviously this is going to shift and change the closer we get to the actual fight um, but alvarez was listed as a negative 5 000 favorite.
So for those of you who don’t yeah yeah so for those of you who are not better, you know we’re not gamblers here.
That means that, in order to win 100, you would have to gamble with five thousand dollars now on the flip side of this, that’s the most craziest bet you’d ever make for a hundred bucks.
I mean at that point you’re just trying to prove something, but on the flip side, if you’ve got an extra, you know benjamin in the back pocket there.
If you want to put, if you want to float that hundred bucks on yieldrum uh, you could come back with about 2500 bucks if he wins right, hey, but you know what i’d rather take that hundred dollars just light it up in flames.
Man than bet it on y’all’s room, yeah yeah, i was just gon na say you might well again.
Vegas seems to be thinking along the same lines here so yeah honestly, i i i gildrum’s a good fighter, but he’s you know he he’s gon na make for an exciting fight.
That’S her! Damn sure he he’s gon na be able to bring it to him, but i don’t think he has the uh the tools in his repertoire to be able to come up with a victory over alvarez.
And that’s just that’s what i’m saying as much as i want to be as much as i want to see.
You know a huge knockout like in the first round.
We, it probably won’t happen, but i’m saying alvaroz is going to come up with the victory for sure yeah.
I was like all right, yeah, so uh.
How much candy do you got in that van deal? The van i don’t know i don’t know man but uh, yeah, hey mikey, there’s uh, there’s some really good welterweights on the undercard of that alvarez, uh, uh.
Sorry, after dorell fight um, you got you heard anything about these guys: uh jesus ramos and uh that veto uh, michelet michelecki, [, Music, ], he’s young he’s young yeah.
You know yeah, like he’s like uh he’s only like, i think he’s like 18.
he’s, 18.
yeah he’s actually 18.
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I was like wow, you know the teenagers going on on that same card man.
You got to watch that these guys are the up and comers that i was telling you about, but you know what we can’t talk about all the fights because, there’s literally like you, know, eight to ten fights on each card six cards.
It’S a lot of [ __ ] to talk about, but what i do want to say is that sam sam notes and delmar thomas and nathan, henny and ryan oliver and tom and tommy fury and masood, abdullah and ammar muhammad are all making their debuts.
These are all guys that we’ve never heard of they’re all making their debut, and so you know it’s it’s it’s fight weekend.
Man, that’s what it is.
There’S a lot of things going on.
It’S great man, it’s great if you’re interested in in amateurs and watching those up and comings the uh tomorrow morning, starting at about seven a.
m and then that’s the afternoon session and then around 11 will be the evening session will be the gold medal uh bouts for The stranger cup, it’s the oldest amateur boxing tournament in europe, and it’s going on right now in sofia, bulgaria and uh yeah, that’s on uh on the olympic channel, later live streaming that tomorrow morning.
So if you are looking for up and coming and uh, you want to get some practice in mikey with some of those uh kha’zik names.
Honestly, this is what you want to watch, learn how to even say that man, i better, have i better hire a language coach to learn how to pronounce all these names.
Well, especially if you’re watching more boxing you’re going to see a lot of these uh a lot of these asian uh countries, central asian countries are amazing boxing countries.
They have amazing boxing programs, we just don’t hear as much about them or they don’t have the same kind of fame wrapped around them, because a lot of the winds of the past were under the soviet when they were still soviet republics.
So it just would have gone under ussr yeah uh, you know, and then you know.
Oh people just think ussr is now russia and they kind of forget everybody else there.
So you think, oh all those ussr wins, are russian wins at the olympics.
No they’re ukrainian wins their uzbek wins, their kazakhstani wins they’re, believing georgian wins, they’re, yeah, they’re, all they’re all over the place and that you’re starting to see more and more and more or at least, is getting more attention.
For the last couple of weeks.
I’Ve been i’ve, been broadening my search and bringing in these new guys, and i’ve been talking to about a few of these kids that are coming up and on these cards right now.
Man, so trust me, i know i’m i’m all about these new kids coming up.
I’M excited for it all because, honestly, it’s going to give me a whole bunch of stuff to talk about in the weeks to come.
On my show, with all these young kids coming up, man check out stranger cup, then yeah right on mikey.
That’S it.
These new kids are the future of boxing, so we got to support those you know got to support the boxing for the kids.
Definitely yeah.
Definitely i i think we’re gon na have a lot to talk about on sunday.
Mike is gon na be a lot of knockouts this weekend, i’m pretty sure, there’s gon na be tons of knockouts man.
That’S all i wan na talk about is knockouts.
Trust me, there’s gon na be lots of guys sleeping hitting the mat.
That’S for damn sure, and i’m gon na tell you all about them and we’re gon na name them we’re gon na name each knockout too.
This better be fancy we’re you know and then we’re gon na name.
The best one of the week you know last week was the ostrich.
It was great, it was brilliant, brilliant.
He stuck his head right in that sand, like he was going out of style, [, Laughter ], oh man, i can’t wait but anyways i don’t know so.
Is is, is this it are we going to go and watch the the italian pay-per-view event tonight, because i believe it’s uh, it’s about to air 7, 30 yeah yeah, really all right cool i’ll check that out, scardina nunez is is starting at 7 30 boys.
So i’m definitely going to uh get my butt sitting in the couch with a few beers and uh definitely start to watch this all right thanks very much yeah good mike.
You had one more thing to mention to you.
I don’t know.
I heard that uh.
If you don’t have a tv and you need to uh, i guess stream – that canelo fight – oh yeah, don’t talk about that, live over there, man! We don’t want to get that taken down i’ll talk to you in a few minutes.
Don’T ruin my free stream bro! Oh come on.
Okay, i’m just playing with you.
You know i’m just i heard you know.
I heard yeah yeah yeah.
You heard you heard and you know what i’ll text it to you.
Don’T worry! That’S the reason we call him neal! That’S right! Oh yeah! Yeah! Well, thanks for thanks for having me, oh my god, that christian the history lesson today was amazing.
Like you know, i love history.
You know, i love the history of boxing and stuff and it’s been really good hanging out with you guys.
I love seeing you again.
Graham thanks a lot, obviously in uh the fights this weekend, everybody watch them they’re gon na be amazing as mike’s uh.
Let us all know and uh thanks mike take care.
Eh yeah definitely guys make sure fight fans guys watching make sure you tune in on sunday and we’ll, let you know all about the knockouts that happened this weekend, we’ll bring it to you on the knuckle up.
Michael r4 show uh with graham hope to see you guys there make sure you knock those comments out because we love them and view it like it share it.
That’S it awesome.
Thanks lads and uh, we’ll see you next week, yeah man definitely good night.
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