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EPISODE: Episode 21
Neil discusses many of his heroes – boxers, trainers and coaches – from the ring on TalkinFight Monday to Friday – such as Carlos Monzón aka “Escopeta” (Shotgun in Spanish) – YouTube or LIVE at talkinfight.com/live Weekday’s at 7pm EST (6:30 on Fridays)
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Transcribed:
Good evening talking fight nation, it’s a new week.
We have a new episode of neil the deal and neil’s in the house waiting for us right now, we’re gon na be talking middleweights.
I believe who do you have for us tonight, neil well, first of all good evening, graham nice, to see you again thanks for having me out good evening, guys nice to see y’all again right on.
As you can see, i have my uh super bowl outfit on today.
For you obviously there’s only one team: that’s going to win the game, so just keep going for them and we’ll be fine.
So today we’re going to be talking a little bit about a argentinian fighter, a guy when i was a child.
When i was when i was really young, i was watching the alley fraser stuff and that’s kind of where i started the sunny listing days.
I was about four or five years old, six years old type thing and uh.
Then i saw this guy who was in the middleweight division from argentina and we’re going to talk about him tonight guys his name is carlos monzone, carlos lonzone, all right.
So i’d like to thank you before we go into this uh for the likes.
The shares, all the comments you guys have been making uh telling your friends they’ve been subscribing.
It’S been great.
I want to thank you again for all.
That’S awesome.
Keep it up.
You guys are top notch thanks a lot.
So let’s talk about mr monzone carlos, he was uh he’s an argentinian fighter.
He had a nickname uh.
Let’S see it’s interesting, it’s a shotgun in english, but in spanish and my spanish isn’t that great, but i’ll.
Try here escopeda escopita, maybe that makes sense escopita.
He was called escopeda, that’s a shotgun, so we got carlos shotgun monzone today on the uh.
Neil of the deal show for you, this guy, i’m telling you when i was growing up this guy was a mesmerizing fighter.
He’S one of those guys that was just uh: he he did the most amazing stuff.
His career was absolutely stunning um i mean we, don’t you don’t really hear his name anymore, graham or anything about this guy, but i can remember vividly watching his fights as a kid and, and he was devastating in every facet.
He he had speed punching power.
He had work rate, the one thing that he had that i noticed out of all the other fighters.
In those days he worked a lot harder in the ring guys he was always on yet hard.
He wouldn’t give you anything he if he, if he threw a punch, he’d throw two.
He was his work rate was amazing.
So again we’re going to talk about him, so he was born august 7th 1942 in san javier argentina, when he was a young child.
He moved to uh a place called santa fe uh argentina, so he was very young.
He grew up very, very poor.
He had uh 11 brothers and sisters all right and his parents.
They all lived basically in one little shack, uh in that town uh.
He actually had to quit school, graham at three at grade three wow to support the family in grade three, so he quit school in grade three.
I don’t know that’s about the time i quit so we’re pretty.
Even on that one.
Definitely my parents will tell you all about grade three.
It was one of the hardest things on me.
So then, then what happens uh so he goes out.
He’S got to get a job, so he starts shining shoes selling newspapers.
He was a milk boy.
He’D go to people’s houses and drop off the milk stuff, like that, so i’d, probably milk, the bowls or cows or whatever, and then go sell the stuff right just to make enough to get by.
So he came from a very, very poor, poor upbringing.
He had an amateur career uh when he was younger.
He was 17 years old, it started in 1959 uh, he was uh, he was a good amateur, he had 90 fights as an amateur, he won 76 of those fights, he had six losses and he had eight draws all right as an amateur.
He uh.
He turned pro in 1963, so his pro totals are even more amazing, graham, like more amazing, so check this out.
Monzone total fights, 100 100 fights, uh, wins.
87.
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All right losses count them one two, three three losses: that’s it wow and uh.
He had nine draws and one no contest, so this guy’s is his.
His kale percentage works out to be well 59 kos right.
He had 59 kos out of the uh, 87 wins so, and he had 100 fights.
So it was uh it’s.
What would the ko percentage be? Graham, i don’t know a lot well, 59 out of 100.
What’S that grim so say: 60.
Nope.
59.
Sorry, you’re off 59 out of 100 gram is 59.
There you go, i’m just making sure you’re paying attention out there.
You know what i mean, i don’t know about him or him, but i am so anyway.
That’S a good one.
I like i like that stuff with you.
Graham it’s fun, that’s good! Thank you yeah.
So he was the undisputed uh middleweight champion of the world.
For seven years, straight, graham unified, like he’s, got the titles for the whole time.
Well back in those days, i believe there was just the wbc in the wba, so he had the two titles.
I guess i don’t know if there was the ibf.
I don’t think so.
There was no, you know they didn’t.
They didn’t have those uh, those classifications, yet those those belts so but he had it for the second longest in the history of middle of middleweights.
Basically, you know seven years.
He had it the whole time and uh in the seven years he was the lineal champion.
He he defended uh.
He had nine defenses all right, so his pro career was amazing in his amateur career he uh or sorry in his pro career.
He he started off.
Really good, he won uh in 1966.
He won the argentinian middleweight title for his country, so he was the country’s champion in 66 67.
He won the south american middleweight title, so he added that to that other title and then he had a reeled off a bunch of wins and finally got a shot at the title november, 7th 1970, where he fought for the unified middleweight championship of the world versus A guy named nino, benvetuti or ben ven, uti benvenuti, i believe, he’s italian benvenuti.
I do remember benvenuti.
I never saw him fight live, but i do remember him um i started watching on zone usually around.
I think it was around 72 or 73, so he was already that he already had the belts when i started watching him as a kid right.
So apparently this this ben benvenuti nino benvenuti, is a really good fighter.
He won an olympic gold medal, uh fantastic, like really good fighter man.
So monzone was a big underdog in the fight the first one and he won.
He beat him, he was.
It was a big upset all right.
So that’s a fight.
You guys all you talk and fight fans, neil the deal fans out there might want to check out the monzone benvenuti first fight.
He did have a second rematch against benvenuti and uh.
He beat him again unanimous decision, so he got he got up the best of them twice, which is pretty impressive, because not too many guys got up on that nino guy he was, he was a serious cat, so that was a big big upset right there right.
There he started that off then in 71 he beat a guy named emil griffith.
Graham you ever heard of this guy emile griffith, the three-time world middleweight champion nope.
No, i okay, that’s okay! I understand um he’s uh.
He! Basically, he beat him and not too many people beat griffith, look at griffith, emile griffith.
His career is the three-time champion and i think he like only got knocked down once in his whole, like he was.
I think he only lost like maybe two or three and and one of them was or two of them referred from.
Monzone manzone fought him twice and he beat him both times.
So that’s really impressive.
Um beating a world three-time world champion twice so in 1971.
He did that and then in 75 he had to relinquish the wbc belt uh due to not uh offering to fight the number one mandatory contender we’ve had that issue before.
Graham we’ve talked about that right.
If you don’t fight the mandatory number one contender after a specific amount of time determined by the sanctioning body, then you are obligated have to relinquish the title and put it up as a vacant title for number one and number two contender to battle it out.
For you know what i mean, so he relinquished the wbc, but he retained the wba title um and then he went on to um fight.
He kept fighting.
You know what i mean um, so he ended up.
He he did that and then he in 1977 was his last fight.
He decided to retire um and he was the undisputed middleweight champion of the world when he did that, so he he was his whole career.
He was the champ basically other than the first couple of years, but as soon as he got those belts, he had him for the for the duration of his career, so that in itself is amazing, so after that he retired uh with that crazy record of his And uh he started getting into tv and film and stuff, but that really didn’t work out.
He wasn’t very successful with it.
I mean there were a few small spots on some argentinian local movies and tv shows and stuff, but he never really got his foot in the door there, and then he apparently he started getting a little bit uh a little bit loose in the loosen the marbles.
If you know what i mean like, he started losing his marbles, i guess, and he started getting a pretty violent with the paparazzi, graham and uh family members and uh.
He just started getting out of control.
He he really was a hothead like a tempered guy.
He had a pretty bad temper.
Like i mean some fighters have a bad temper.
I guess you know so well.
In the end he ended up uh.
He is his temper got the best of him and he actually uh murdered.
His wife was convicted and uh sentenced to 11 years in argentinian jail and uh on an outing in 1995 january 1995 he got a day passed from jail uh.
He went to visit his family.
He did the visit on the way back.
There were four people in a vehicle that crashed and he was killed in that car crash in 1995, so going back to jail.
So that’s kind of ironic how that happened.
I guess um, you know what are you gon na do right.
So two people in the car lived and two died apparently, and unfortunately carlos was one that passed away so rest in peace, carlos you had a fantastic career amazing fighter like any of his fights.
Graham, the big ones were like he’s.
He’S amazing, like he’s really amazing.
So you got to check this man’s own carlos monzona.
He he was probably one of the best middleweights ever, if not the best.
Well, apparently, i believe it was ring magazine.
That said, he was the second best middleweight of all time, graham the only middleweight that they ranked higher than him was sugar, ray robinson, so he’s higher than hagler hearns uh.
All the big names he’s even bigger than them.
Yeah, that’s pretty impressive! So, let’s go through a bit of the awards that he had just to, let guys let you know out there and talk and fight land neal the deal and again thanks for the likes, if you like, like you, should like to share, share them with your friends.
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You know all right, so he was inducted into the international boxing hall of fame 1990.
, all right in 2011, he was ranked the best middleweight title holder of all time by ring magazine uh.
Also in 2012 ring magazine have him adam as the 11th greatest fighter.
In the last 80 years so 11th overall in the last 80 years – that’s that’s pretty amazing.
Uh box wreck had him the second best middleweight of all time.
Only behind sugar, ray robinson like we had just talked about uh.
He was undefeated, graham in his last 81.
Fights of his career undefeated 81 straight went 81-0 wow wow, so we only lost three fights and they were early on in his career.
After that finished, like done, did it you’re done he’s 81-0 whoa uh and he defended his fight his title 14 times with that 11 different opponents right, so those stats are, i don’t know what to tell you about that.
That’S that’s amazing, unbelievable and he’s a hall of famer and the 11th best fighter of all time, so guys monzone.
I know you probably never heard of the guy but check him out guys.
You’Ll enjoy the fights he’s really good.
So we’ll go over a quick couple.
Notable fights you guys can check out.
We got our monzone again.
We talked about it against a betta, vudi ben navuti.
He fought him twice.
Uh, he fought emile griffith twice.
You should check out the griffith monzone fights and he fought a u.
s guy that i watched a bunch of fights and i really liked his name was tom bethea tom bethea was an american and he was a.
He won the title uh here and there.
You know what i mean before uh before that monzone had it.
I believe he had it once or something he lost it to somebody else, and it ended up in monzone’s hand.
He probably lost it to benavooti right.
Something like that.
So you know rest in peace.
Carlos that’s all i got to tell you buddy, i loved watching you fight, you’re, awesome, uh, i’d, like all you guys to know that he he’s probably going to make the top 10 the neil the deal top 10.
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He was a secret weapon.
I was saving for you guys, i didn’t, i knew you wouldn’t know who he is some guys might, but but he like look at the stats on that guy and look at the way he displayed himself in the ring and and any middleweight in the world will Tell you he’s probably in well he’s in the top five in everybody’s category.
So thanks a lot for coming out carlos take care of yourself rest in peace.
Buddy! God bless you graham thanks for having me.
I appreciate it and uh.
I guess we’re gon na uh.
We’Re gon na this weekend watch my team.
The kansas city chiefs go back to back in the super bowl tom brady for the tenth time is not winning.
I don’t think so.
You’Re not beating the boys.
You guys are done so brady.
Whatever you’re done.
That’S my prediction: put all your money on my team: we’re taking it down whatever it is.
Brady’S finished, so have yourselves a good night, we’ll see you tomorrow at 7.
, graham take care of yourself thanks a lot for coming out.
Guys cheers thanks.
Very much we’ll see you tomorrow, night
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