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Foreign [ Music, ] boxing writer historian, and today we have a very special fight to discuss with you, one of my most uh favorite fights most and it’s an exciting fight and one of my favorite fighters in the planet, Archie Moore, it’s the December 10th, 1958 historic Fight for the worldwide heavyweight title held by h, r g Moore, the old Mongoose and he was challenged by the fighting fishermen from Bay, Saint Como New Brunswick out in the maritimes Canada’s Yvonne Durrell uh Darrell, was a prohibitive four to one Underdog Moore was in his 40S by then, and most people didn’t think, Jerrell would last that long, but there was really no indication in his career prior to that to come up with a statement that he wouldn’t last that long it just didn’t make any sense.

It’S the same as when Cheval far Ali for the first time and they said Ali – would knock him out early.

Well, Georgia never been knocked down or hurt.

So why would he have been knocked out early uh, Yvonne, Darrell started his career uh in in the maritimes.

Can a maritime he was a fisherman like his um rest of his family and he took up boxing at a young age.

Actually, it’s probably his biggest fight prior to Darrell other than winning the British Commonwealth flight heavyweight title was he fought a young Floyd Patterson in New York? It’S an interesting story, because if you read the book by the late uh um uh author Stratton, I believe his last name was um and family members of Washington.

Please forgive me.

He wrote a great book on Floyd Patterson.

It only came out several years ago, and he mentioned that there were two fighters, both Canadians that soundly beat Patterson because of the fight being held in New York, where Patterson was from didn’t get the decision and the first fighter was Yvonne Darrell.

The other one was chavalo, of course, but Darrell fought him and when Darrell came to New York to fight him uh the promoters for the fight at Madison Square Garden, they didn’t do him any favors.

So Joelle and his handlers didn’t know anything at that point.

So they didn’t know that they were going to be given a hotel room that they had a food budget so dwell.

This would eat a grilled cheese sandwich in his room and that would hold them for two or three days he was starving, but he didn’t know that there’s a food budget there’s food here, there’s money here where you can go out and buy really good meals.

No one told them that they weren’t there to help him and it was an eight-round fight.

You know in New York, where, where you have a former Olympian Floyd Patterson and gold gloves champion and Floyd Patterson, a New York Fighter, fighting in New York in front of New York flight fans in New York, judges in a New York, ref and really Darrell beat Him up, he pounded him from Pillar To Post.

He wanted to fight, but uh.

The fight was given to uh Patterson about the first time.

Patterson got a gift, and the people in the newspaper is, of course not in the Canadian newspapers.

The Canadian newspapers as usual would waste no time in bad-mouthing one of their own uh but uh.

You know they said Jarrell lost as expected, but Terrell actually beat Patterson and even Patterson’s biographers.

I just mentioned noted that that this you know he came out on top in his fight, but he got screwed.

That’S boxing politics.

Uh Jarrell was, as I said, from Bay, Saint Como and Darrell um.

That’S looking for the date he was born.

He was born October 14th, 1929 um, which is interesting because that means he was born about 16 days.

Before my father was born.

He came from a large family, he had 14 children, so he had 13 siblings.

If you could imagine that’d be called a small family back then in the maritimes I grew up in a small Acadian fishing Village.

Acadia acadians were really the first people uh amongst the first people to settle after the first nations in Canada.

So when you hear folk music in Canada and other places from Canada, uh Gordon Lightfoot, Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, a lot of their background is Acadian music, which was really the original music of of uh of Canada.

And, like many others, you know in his generation.

Darrell came from an impoverished family born in the height of the Great Depression, so he quit school early and and um this big, basically a functional illiterate and got work in uh, a fishing Village, but he liked the Box and he started the Box on weekends.

Along with his brother Ernie, who also walks professionally and of course, coming from a fishing Village uh, the perfect nickname was the fighting fishermen uh.

He began his career in 1947 and he boxed in and all around the province of New Brunswick boxing was really hot.

In the maritimes back, then, it’s always been a top sport in the maritimes um.

When you hear of Great Canadian athletes, George chavalo George Saint Pierre Wayne, Gretzky uh uh, another great athletes, Mike Weir who’s, golfer Championship, golfer um.

Very few people mentioned great athletes from the maritimes and when they talk about Canadian Sports Hall of Fame, which is resides in Calgary or a Boxing Hall of Fame, we need a Canadian national Boxing Hall of Fame.

The maritimes could have their own boxing Halls of Fame.

Our own hockey Halls of fame or our own basketball or golf Halls of Fame, because they’ve produced some of the greatest athletes in the history of the planet and uh Yvonne Jarrell, certainly falls into that category um.

He he um.

You know in his first couple years in the sport I mean this was an exuberant guy.

You know, Darrell was an interesting character because when he trained he trained on cigarettes, potato chips and beer and and as he said, the rest of the time I just wasted.

So he got by on resilience and his phenomenal strength.

I mean he did the miles and he ran and he hit the heavy bag and he hit the speed bag.

But well really didn’t have this: the diet, the professional diet, what you see Fighters today, you know having a dietitian and looking after their diets and that and what food goes into them and what they eat.

That was just that would have been considered from another world.

Back in the 1950s late 40s and 1950s and uh, so he fought in and around uh New Brunswick.

His first flight outside of Canada was the one in Brooklyn against Floyd Patterson, where he handily beat him but didn’t get the decision and uh in 1957.

He went to New York City again and he broke into the top 10 of the light heavyweight division of the world rankings when he defeated Angelo defendis and then he won the British Empire uh light heavyweight championship uh, which was a big deal if you’re a Canadian.

But it also gives you gravitas, you know rather than saying, here’s Yvonne Darrell from base and come on.

The Brunswick here is the British Commonwealth, Canadian British Commonwealth light heavyweight champion.

So you know it helps you get a bit more money um.

He also fought one of the top ranked contenders.

It’S not the top ranked Contender uh Tony Anthony at that time.

In a fight, most people thought he won easily, but then again it was ruled to draw out so back then you know, if you didn’t have the muscle in your corner and muscle meant you know if you didn’t have either mob backing or people that had been In the business a long time and were legitimate enough that the officials and the people promoting it knew they couldn’t screw you, you would get screwed a lot and that happened to him um.

He beat the German Clarence in it another great light, heavyweight top ranked guy, and so his career is on the way and and that win over hinted.

Uh gave him a chance to fight The Immortal.

Archie Moore, Archie Moore has the most knockouts in in boxing history.

We’Re still on this day September, 19th 2022 boxing historians, like myself, are still combing through the records of boxing going back to the 20s, and I guess the 30s, and up to look at fights of Archie Moore that were there.

That happened that we never saw the first time or that we missed so his record can never really be complete.

He started boxing at a young age uh.

If you love characters, there was no one like archimo Archie Moore was a renaissance man.

He was a jazz Aficionado, he could listen to a jazz band or a jazz record and he could hear the first note.

He could tell you the band and the and the musician that was playing it.

Intellectually, he was a genius he.

He fought a lot in South America, he fought in Europe and he could go to to South America and Argentina.

Let’S say, or Spain sit down with politicians and economists from that country, and he would know more about that country than the people who lived there.

Did he could sit down in the United States or any country and discuss discuss uh uh? How trade tariffs affected the United States Global pricing corridors? He could he could discuss anything economically, he could discuss literature and he it wasn’t a put on.

He was extremely smart and extremely well read and he knew how the boxing business was.

The problem for Archie Moore was.

He was so good so soon.

You know we started in 36, but by the time the 1940s rolled around in the mid 40s.

He was already probably the best light heavyweight in the world.

In fact, you know he was ranked, as in the top 10 for middleweight light heavyweight and heavyweight, and I don’t think that’s you know.

It’S been a long time since that’s been done.

If it ever has been done again now, there’s a lot of great things about um stories about his birth, so he was born archibaldi right in benaught Mississippi’s parents were Thomas and Lenora Wright and they separated he was just 18 months old.

So he went to live in St Louis, with his uh aunt and uncle Cleveland and Willie pearlmore, and then he adopted their name so uh he was his real birth date has always been.

You know.

Speculation was 1917 November 13th according to the census of the American government.

Now he always claimed he was born December 13.

1916.

.

His mother said he was born December 13, 1913 and Moore had a best comment.

It was hysterical.

He said you know I’ve, given this issue a lot of thought, and I decided that I must have been three and a half years old when I was born, so his real birth date is 1917.

and that’s what the census says uh as of today we’re still As I said going over his fights we’re still looking for fights that we missed one of his first fights was a three-around exhibition against a guy named Sammy Jackson.

That was one that was discovered recently December 8 1936 and he was 19 years old.

That was in St Louis and also uh.

He fought this guy several more times, winning two more decisions against him and he, although he had already thought professionally by then he also boxes an amateur in St Louis, between February and June of 1936.

Amateurs back then, were paid under the table.

He just wanted to experience and to get better.

As I said, uh Ring magazine rated him as the best one of the top middleweights in 1942, one of the top light heavyweights in 1950 and one of the top heavyweights in 1955 when he fought um uh the impregnable, the indomitable Rocky Marciano.

Now one of the things about arching more, he was a gentleman and we know how Muhammad Ali used his personality and his Charisma to build up the gate.

Archimore was doing that years before Muhammad Ali was born.

Archie Moore knew how to build the gate up.

He knew how to get press, you know El Doral, the the opposition, so they would respond and he knew how to bring the fans in and the sad thing about.

Archie Moore, of course, is he didn’t get a title shot uh until 1952, and you probably should have had one 10 years earlier.

At least, why didn’t he get one when he was ready in his 20s? Well, there’s several reasons.

One is because of the vicious anti-black racism that was involved in professional boxing.

Then there were a lot of great black Fighters.

There was there was the black murders role, um bro pardon me, you know with Holman Williams and Charlie Burley and other great Fighters Jack Chase.

So they’re I mean there were so many great Fighters back then, who didn’t? Who did at home in Williams, who didn’t get the do that they they earn because of the color of their skin.

They just weren’t given title shots, because the Champions back then white or black were afraid to fight him, and the other reason why Moore didn’t get ahead quicker is because of the Mafia.

The mob wanted him to do business.

You know you’re a black man, so you have to agree to lose purposely to White Fighters that aren’t one tenth as good as you and Mort said, I’m not doing that.

You know Mike I’m winning already beating the best, and I can’t get a break.

How does losing to a guy who’s? Not good benefit me? It doesn’t benefits the mob.

Embedding an embedding Coupe doesn’t benefit Archie Moore, so he refused to do it, so he kept having to beat and fight other guys.

He thought, as a Charles quite a bit and as a Charles somehow could beat him and knock him out more destroyed and dominated so many great Fighters, but he always had trouble with Ezra people call Ezra Charles, maybe the best light to have you ever, but he Never the only fathers who, like heavyweight for a short time, never held the title.

If you ask me the best light heavyweight fighter of all time was, it would have to be RT Moore because he ranks as one of the greatest Fighters pound per pound in any Division and one of the greatest athletes ever to have lived two best light heavyweight Champions, in my mind, ever were Archie Moore and Bob Foster and Foster could hit like a brick wall when he hit you with one shot.

You know you were done not only in that fight, but career-wise.

You were pretty well done.

So Moore had to wait such a long time to get his title shot at at uh.

Joey Maxim, the interesting thing about Max and of course Maxim wasn’t was not really charismatic.

He wasn’t a specially gifted fighter, but he won.

He was tall.

He had a little knockout win over Floyd Patterson.

He he Patterson started that light heavyweight and then moved up, but Maxim was technically skilled, but he had an Ace in the Hole.

Jack Kearns jacked up Kearns also managed Jack Dempsey to the world heavyweight title and Mickey Walker to the middleweight and worldwide heavyweight titles.

Kearns knew how the boxing worked.

He knew how to get around the mob and he also knew how to work with the mob without adversely affecting him or his fighter.

So in those days, if Moore wants to fight Joey Maxim and and more had this tremendous publicity campaign where he got Ring magazine and newspapers and every city in the United States saying you know you got to give this guy a chance, he’s the number one rated Lead heavyweight for how many years now and you guys are ducking him.

So this is what Curran said: we’ll fight you, you’ll get your shot, but you have to agree to a rematch and then a third match we match is understandable.

That’S commonplace! In boxing going back 300 years, a third match is unheard of um.

A third match, I think, was because Kearns had to know deep in his heart.

That Moore was the much better fighter and also the other part of the contract was.

Was that jacked up Kearns owns a piece of Archie Moore? Now you would think most Fighters would say, get lost.

I’M not.

I’Ve worked this hard for this long.

I’M not giving you a piece of myself or my career earnings, but more didn’t look at it.

That way, the way more looked at it and he was correct.

He said I have had nothing but low life managers for my whole career.

He was managing himself at this point.

Every manager I’ve had has worked against me, along with the promoter and my opponent, to rip me off of money to try to get the judges to vote against me.

Kearns is the greatest manager in the history of the sport.

Having him in my corner after I win is only going to help me my career, so they have their first fight and, of course, more wins by a wide unanimous decision, and you know he’s he.

People are celebrating in his corner, but he wouldn’t he told them to shut up, stop jumping up, stop yelling, stop pumping your fist.

You should have happened 10 years ago.

This is 10 years too late.

So you know this is something that’s always belonged to me.

So he fights Maxim again.

A short time later beats him again easily, and then they have the third fight.

I mean he’s got to fight him three times before they.

Finally, let go and say: okay, okay, it’s your title! You can do what you want and he fights third time and he beats Maxim easily again and he gets jacked up parents who was his manager, who eventually moved into his house to live with him.

Kearns was a a rogue, a scamboo guy.

He you know never had money, I was always drinking and betting, but he he and losing his money gambling, but he knew boxing and he knew how to match his fighter up and he knew how to help his fighter win, and so once he got Kearns on His side Morris purses started to go up and he started to get a better quality of opponents all the time and he started to hang on to his money.

He didn’t have to worry about the opposing manager or the promoter ripping him off because of Doc.

Kearns that wouldn’t happen, currents have been in the sport by that time.

You know almost 50 years, so no one was going to pull a fast one over jacked up currents more about everything that was coming to him and when I mean say that I mean jacked up, Kearns was more, not only gets defeat that he was promised, but He gets part of the gate, he gets part of the television Revenue.

He gets a piece of all the programs sold.

He gets a piece of all the pennants sold all the buttons sold photographs with of Archie Moore.

He gets a piece of that.

He makes sure Archie Moore got money from everything that he was involved with and that had never happened before between Archie Moore and any of his previous managers, and rarely happened between a great black fighter and a white manager.

But Kearns you know that’s the way he was, and I also wonder, jacked up currents if it had something to do with the Canadian Larry Gaines, because Larry Gaines was a great heavyweight in the 20s he went to spar with Dempsey, destroyed, Dempsey’s family knew reshaped, medically Reshaped nose gave Dempsey a hiding over a week or two and he had the currents.

Let him go and he said Larry you’re, a great man and I’m sure, if I managed you you’d, be the world champion instead of Jack.

But the way the sport is now they’re just not going to allow another black man to be championed after Jack Johnson, so Gaines had to go, become Empire Champion Commonwealth Champion over in in Britain, and there was that always bothered currents, and so because of that Kearns.

I’M not saying he was a moral man, he wasn’t.

I mean there was supposed to be a fight between Harry wills and Jack Dempsey and that never happened.

That was partly because of Kerns, but finding jack.

kerns for as his manager was the best thing to happen to Archie, Moore and because of uh throughout wins over the German fighter um.

He got to challenge Archie Moore uh for the light heavyweight title.

The fight was in um, uh, muncho Form.

8 000 people came to the fight and um.

It’S interesting when you noted that the gate was maybe ninety thousand dollars um.

The referee was Jack Sharkey and he got blamed a lot for this fight.

This was this.

Was one of the first not one of the first but really big important title fights that the former world heavyweight champion Jack Sharkey had referee Sharky was an interesting person.

Sharkey had been focused to lose his world title to the inept Primo carnera.

He always claimed the fight was on the level, but a couple weeks before he died.

He said the fight wasn’t on the level.

The mob forced me at gunpoint to lose, and I can only say it now, because I’m going to be dead within a month and everyone who’s involved is gone, and so this was part of the pernicious hold that the mob held over over um boxing um.

So the fight was at the Montreal Forum December 10th and people are watching the fight and they’re thinking.

Well, you know Darrell joelle’s gon na come out and just go wild.

The more it’s going to stand back and easily easily pick them apart.

But that’s not what happened.

Uh there were four knockdowns in the fight and early in the fight you know, more is able or Darrell was able to work his way inside and catch Archie Moore, who was in his middle to late 40s.

Now, with a tremendous right hand and more hits to Canvas, people can’t believe it.

The Forum in Montreal was going crazy and Darrell made a fatal mistake.

Instead of turning and running back to his corner, he stood there over more waiting for him to get up.

There was no reason for it, because that kind of action had disappeared from boxing for many years, every fighter knew even people that weren’t fight fans knew you know I could die down.

You got to go to the farthest neutral Corner when Matthew Hilton beat Buster Drayton.

For the junior middleweight World title in Montreal, when he dropped them in the first round of that booming right hand, he turned on a dime and ran to the corner, at which point Jim Lampley said this is a well-schooled fighter.

Darrell wasn’t a well-school fighter, you know so Darrell knocked him down and Archie Moore is hurt.

He is it wasn’t a flash knockdown.

He got caught right on the Button.

He’S concussed, you know his brain is foggy.

He’S dizzy, he’s nauseous.

He manages to make it to one knee at seven and he gets up and he’s clenching and he’s clenching he’s doing everything he can.

This is only 20 30 seconds into the round.

It’S got a lot of time to go yet and then Darrell does a smart thing.

He Jabs him moves back a bit to give himself punching room lands, another right hand and more goes down again and now a Montreal form is going berserk.

They can’t believe this they’re gon na have a French Canadian light heavyweight champion of the world, although, although it happened once before with Jack Delaney, but this would be the second one and they couldn’t believe it he’s going to be the world champion, and he goes to The corner and people blame Jack Sharkey.

They said he was counting.

His counts were too long.

Well, the first time he went down.

He couldn’t start counting until Terrell went to the neutral Corner.

That’S just a rule second time he was accused of going one, two and and so on, but I watched a fight.

I didn’t see it as a slow count, he’s getting the champion account he’s trying to make sure more sees and understands.

What’S going on, he’s got to make sure Darrell stays in the corner, somehow somehow more staggers to his feet, but you know Darrell just goes wild and starts throwing punches Willy and Ellie throwing punches out.

The window is the great trainer Charlie Goldman said.

Instead of calming down and doing the smart thing, what James Tony would do and always did was when you got a guy hurt like that, he attacked the liver.

With the left hand, then you come up, bring his hands down, come upstairs with the right hand and drop him again, and so he’s punching him he’s dropping he’s, hitting him he’s going after him and more is just hanging on more looks exhausted.

It’S two minutes into the first round.

Moore looks like he’s fought 50 rounds.

You know his hair is almost up he’s.

Breathing heavy.

His eyes are glassy he’s holding on to him he’s getting near the ropes.

You know he’s trying to get the referee to let him clinch longer and Darrell’s, hitting him and Darrell hits him a third time, another good shot, and he goes not a third time, but he hits him again and more goes down the interesting thing about this.

Of course was Sharky ruled that the the um third one was a slip.

It wasn’t a slip, but Moore still manages to beat the count get up and he hangs on.

He hangs on to the end of the round.

He doesn’t know where he is at the end of the round.

You know: uh Kearns gets him back in the corner.

Puts ice on him puts ice on his testicles.

You know, pulls the trucks out to let him breathe.

You know putting water on him massaging the back of his neck.

He knows all the tricks of the trade.

He breaks off a capsule of a mo ammonia, which you’re not supposed to use to smell himself, and he you know he had to do it around the knees, because, if you put it up here, you’re gon na Fry’s brain – and he gets more to you – know To wake up and and try to get back in the fight and he sang to Archie, that was the first round, but it’s gone it’s in the history.

It’S in the history books.

You can’t do anything about that.

You got to come out now.

You got ta, you got ta play for time until your head clears so Mark comes out and he’s jabbing.

He had a longer reads: you get a heavy Jab he’s hitting uh Darrell and he stag his Darrell a couple times with the right hand and he’s hanging in there he’s he’s rallying in this round.

I don’t think he’s winning the round, but he’s he’s winning in the sense that he’s not getting knocked down again.

He’S not getting knocked out and comes out for the third round and Darrell goes after him like crazy, again and starts throwing tremendous left hooks right.

Hooks and Morris taking them, but he’s he’s hanging on Terrell’s now missing a lot more than he’s landing and the reason for that is he’s not he’s not measuring his shots.

He’S just fighting like you would in the schoolyard not doing it professionally.

He let the moment get to him and he continues this on.

You get to the fourth round and he’s coming Full Tilt at at um at more trying to put more away and he’s pounding him to the body and pound and more looks exhausted.

I mean more is avoiding and blocking a lot of the shots and using all his experience, you know and and at that point in his 25 years of boxing, but it’s still, you know it’s still a fight that Darrell can easily win and probably should have won Already, because if you would go by the rules of today, which they didn’t three knockdowns, the fight would have ended in the first round.

We get to the fifth round.

Darrell connects again with a tremendous writing and drills him on the gym and more goes down and when there’s a great picture of it, where Moore is lying with his arms spread out, and you think this is it he, you know he’s done somehow he gets up At nine he beats the count he lasts the round.

Now the round ends and they go back to the corners.

But Darrell is as exhausted as Archie Moore, because he’s fought 15 rounds in the space of five, which is what Thomas earns did against Marvin Hagler and their three-round war and Darrell wasn’t pacing himself so from the sixth round on Morris.

Coming back lining that long jab over and over coming over right hands and staggering Darrell and he’s hitting him to the body he’s hitting him to the head and whenever Darrell you know, lands a good shot and then walks in close, he Smothers him and he’s trying To keep Darrell on the end of his left, jab, which he’s able to do successfully as the fight wears on.

He then drops Darrell, which people couldn’t believe, but Darrell hadn’t trained the way a fighter were trained.

Today he wasn’t a well-trained fighter, he was tiring and he was Armory because he spent his load already.

He tried to take the man out early and he wasn’t able to do it.

So you know, Darrell goes down and in the end, Moore ends up, knocking him down four times and dwells hanging in there.

But when you watch the fight, Darrell can’t focus his eyes.

He looks cross-eyed almost at times he’s bleeding badly from his nose from his mouth and Darrell’s he’s trying to suck air.

He spent all his his um uh resources and his win trying to take uh more out early, and he thought I and I’m pretty sure when he wants to fight that was his game plan.

That was the way Darrell fought.

I’M gon na go out in the first couple rounds and just blast him out.

That’S what I do and if I can’t do it then so be it but I’ll go out in my shield, and you know from the fifth and sixth round off sixth round on excuse me: uh more is chopping him down, hitting him to the liver, constantly left Hooks to the liver, uh Jabs to the solar plexus right hands to the chin.

Hits him in the throat hits him in the shoulders to hurt his arms, make his arms heavy and you know, Darrell’s having a tough time hanging in there, and people are watching this and they’re thinking.

This would be horrible.

You know, how can this happen? How how could a guy dominate a guy like that? You know and drop him four times and and still lose the fight? I mean it was voted the fight of the Year, Byron magazine, uh, the sports event of the year in Canada, and it was an incredible war from beginning to end uh.

By the way, Moore has a record of 199 wins 145 Knockouts the most in boxing history.

With 26 losses and uh and eight draws – and you know this was so close so close for Darrell – he could taste the title now prior to this fight in in 1955, a more challenged, a great Rocky Marciano for the world, uh heavyweight title and he dropped him.

He dropped him in the second round, but then Marciano came back and stopped and Moore always claimed the referee interfere because the referee, you know when Moore got out or Marciano Bella.

He still weighed more to the corner and still gave him more time to recover.

He said if he had, let me get on him right away.

I could have stopped him we’ll, never know that, because Moore came back or Marciano came back and he just overwhelmed more, who you know by then was exhausted.

He also fought Floyd Patterson a year later.

In 1956 and it’s a strange fight, Patterson knocks more out in in to the fifth round, with a a hook to the solar plexus, I’m always wondering if and Mark Fell awkwardly.

I was always wondering if there was some mob influence in that fight.

I know Custom Auto, always bad-mouth them up, but there’s instances of him.

I mean he couldn’t avoid it where he had to do business with the mob when it suited him so uh, although he despised him.

So we really, you know.

All we have is the film of that fight, and we know that uh Patterson won more kept on fighting more more um.

It’S by the way he’s the only man to have fought Rocky Marciano and Ali.

He challenged a young Ali Cassius Clay, then a lost in four rounds, but more you know he was in his 50s at the time and Ali was coming up with these poems and sings.

You know with this man’s old enough to be my grandfather and that, but more was much more literate and witty uh than Muhammad Ali.

So in a battle of wits, Moore stood, you know unrivaled not only against other Fighters but against anyone, including comics uh morrow.

In his career, ended became known for training, George Foreman and he chained Foreman in both uh Foreman’s first Incarnation, and when Foreman came back, he trained him for a while when he had his comeback.

But Archie was starting to suffer a bit from from dementia.

At that point, so he was replaced by my surrogate father, Angela Dundee, but he was the one who guided George Foreman to The Knockout win over Joe Frazier, and you know he was telling George Foreman.

That fridge was a smaller man.

He can’t fight backing up.

He’S got to get inside your arms, don’t let him get inside your arms if he blows his way in just push him back, keep your left hand in his face.

The whole time give yourself room and keep throwing the long right hands.

He showed George, how to hide his right uppercut and how to hide his right hand and Moore was a great teacher.

He also trained uh heavyweight James Tillis and took him from an average fighter to a very good heavyweight more as a man who was universally loved in the sport of box and he was loved by many people.

Other Fighters liked him he trained Ali for a short time, but Ali left with training camp.

I don’t think it was personal.

I mean they were always good friends even after they fought it’s just that more wanted to teach Muhammad discipline and Muhammad came from a middle class black family.

So when he got to Moore’s Training, Camp Moore wanted him to to wash dishes scrub the floor clean.

The toilets and Muhammad said I didn’t do that when I was growing up.

My mother did that, and I ain’t doing it now that I’m the Olympic gold medalist and so he went and he switched to to um to Angela Dundee, so he kept fighting.

He fought until 1960, he was delighted League champion, but then the uh World Boxing or the national boxing Association withdrew the recognition of him because he hadn’t defended the title in a while and the reason he had it was because the uh the offers he was getting Were terrible was for so little money and so but Ring magazine, New York, New York State athletic commission recognize him until they’d been withdrew.

Their recognition of him in in 1962.

he’s he’s an undoubtedly fascinating character and uh.

I just wanted to make sure I made some notes Here.

I wanted to make sure that I didn’t miss uh anything going on uh with either fighter with regards to Yvonne Durrell um.

You know in 1959, just after six months after he fought him, there was a 40-foot tidal weight in Bay, Saint Como, that killed 40.

You know 30 40 50 people, and these were all his friends.

So he went home there to help out to raise money and uh.

He he challenged Archie Moore again.

He was knocked out in three rounds and then uh.

He made the unfortunate mistake of challenging uh George chevalo for the Canadian heavyweight championship and he lost a 12 round decision, but he took a beating after that.

He left boxing and he came back a couple years later, but he worked mostly as a wrestler in western Canada, with Stuart’s uh Stampede Wrestling Stuart also had Brett the Hitman Hart.

His son Owen, Hart and Durrell was sort of um uh, an anomaly, an oxymoron, a professional boxing, because he was a really soft-spoken gentle person, and this is a brutal sport.

But in the 1970s he had a bar in Bayside, Como and uh.

When I did stand up, I performed out in base in Como and other places in the Brunswick, and most people wouldn’t know this even in Canada, but New Brunswick’s, a mob town and the bars and every and all those places out there.

Gambling junks bars, uh clubs, they’re all marble, so he opened a a bar.

He was being threatened to pay a mob tax.

He wouldn’t pay, a guy came in and threatened him and he shot him.

He quitted it.

He killed him uh.

He got a lawyer, Frank McKenna, who later became premier of The Province, that’s like governor in the United States of New Brunswick, and he had him acquitted, but he he lived the rest of his life in fear that someone would come and take his life.

You know some mob guy uh.

He was always in touch with Archie Moore.

They were great friends, they loved each other and uh Moore, helped them out financially more help pay for for Yvonne Darrell’s funeral uh, Darrell uh had Parkinson’s disease.

He suffered a massive stroke on Christmas Day and December, the 6th and he died in the hospital in month.

In January 6, 2007, the families like j, marie Moore, the daughter who boxed of uh Archie Moore and her sister were also friends with the Darrell family, and they spoke often and – and this is one of the great things about boxing – how two people could go to War like this and as George chevell said, boxing’s the weirdest way to make friends for life, because Yvonne would have problems with the mob or you have problems.

You know family problems, financial and they would call Archie Moore who was like a brother to him and he’d say what do I do Archie tell me: what to do.

Please help me and more did more would come up to see him would hug him and would give him money, and you know and try to help him try to calm them down.

More is extremely generous.

That way, Moore had a tremendous self-respect but respect for other Fighters and there’s a great story uh that his daughter told me that when he was in Las Vegas once – and there was Joe Lewis left alone in a wheelchair, outside of a of a a casino and Joe Lewis had some spittle coming down, he had a stroke and Archer Moore was standing there and he was Furious and he Wheels him in and he says this man, you know, give him a room.

Please, and they said oh didn’t even look up.

Well, we’re full up.

He said I don’t care if you’re full up.

This is The Greatest Prize Fighter That Ever Walked the face of the Earth.

This is the Undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, Joe Lewis and Moore wouldn’t leave until they gave him a good room and they got him medical attention.

So more Moore was a man who fought in the most brutal of sports, but was able to walk with Kings.

He met many presidents and and everyone he met was surprised at the depth of his incredible intelligence on all issues: political, economic, the Arts, social, cultural.

I mean he was just a very bright man.

You could see him on in the movie um uh.

I think it was uh HUD Finn Huckleberry Finn, the Disney film he appeared in episodes of Batman.

He appeared on a lot of TV shows.

I also have an episode of him from uh.

What’S My Line and it’s great and he’s wearing, you know a tuxedo entails and a top hat and he’s just the way he speaks.

I mean he should have been born.

British.

You would think because if he was a British citizen, he would have been knighted and just a tremendous Renaissance figure.

The greatest light heavyweight champion of all time got ta rate him as one of the top two three fighters of all time and one of the top athletes ever to have lived all the people that came to see his flight, all the press that he died.

All the Ballyhoo that was completely him.

He did that himself out of his own sweat, there’s a guy that grew up with nothing in a bitterly racist country and ended up making something of himself, not only something himself but became a household word.

Excuse me all over the world, so you could go to any country in South America.

You could go to any country in Europe, Scandinavia anywhere, and they would know the name of the old Mongoose.

Archie Moore held the world like heavily title longer than anyone else ever held.

It had the most knockouts in boxing history and has to be rated, as I say, one of the top, not only fighters of all time, the top gentleman in top Renaissance of all time.

I’M a huge jazz fan and I’ve worked at the Jazz station here in Toronto, but my knowledge is nothing compared to what Archie Moore knew.

He was just an incredible person.

If you get a chance and thank God you can go to YouTube, you can watch the Darrell fight, which is a great fight to watch but also watch his fight.

You know, with Rocky Marciano watches other fights with Joey Maxson.

He fought a big Cuban, heavily Nino Valdez and beat him easily and after the fight I’ve never seen this before Valdez was crying.

He was crying, it wasn’t fair and you know Archie Moore said it’s boxing, there’s no crying in boxing.

What are you doing? You know, if you don’t think it’s fair, we’ll fight again I’ll whoop, you again, so aren’t you more uh, you know lived a long life and, as I said, uh Darrell died in 207.

um, I’m just going through my papers here that more more live to be Uh, a ripe old age and uh I’m trying to find here when, when uh one more passed away, uh wasn’t too long ago, uh, but uh yeah Archie Moore was one of the all-time greats along with Darrell their fight made history and uh.

If you get a chance to watch it watch it uh.

I hope you enjoyed this episode of of um of ring talk uh, sorry to be a bit scattered all over the place, but I hope you’re enjoying it uh if you’re enjoying it.

Let me know you know email me at luizen, l-o-u-e-i-s-n rogers.

com, post comments here you can post comments after the show, and you can also make suggestions about fights you might want to have me uh talk about um uh after so thank you for watching.

I hope you enjoyed it.

Please go out and learn about Archie Moore uh watch.

The TV shows you can get all the TV shows and movies.

He was in on YouTube so and as fights he’s just a Sublime fighter he’s very patient.

Patience is the hardest virtue for any fighter to master and no one had it in abundance.

More than Archie Moore.

He could outweigh the fighter and he knew what he had to do.

He had a firm game plan, tremendous gym, but he had that that will of Steel to refuse to lose.

He did not let the racism that was endemic to his times defeat him.

He didn’t let Yvonne Durrell defeat him.

He didn’t let anything defuse he retired.

As the unbeaten for the worldwide heavyweight title, and he retired with his friends and his money intact and there’s not many people in any profession that can make that claim.

Thank you for watching this episode of ring talk, I’m Lou, Eisen hope you have a great rest of your weekend and we’ll see you next year take care bye-bye foreign