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EPISODE: Episode 3
Cedric discusses his scorecard as Kell Brook settles the 17-year long rivalry by stopping Amir Khan in the sixth round in front of a raucous Manchester crowd.
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Transcribed:
What up what up? What up welcome to the scorecard on the talk and fight channel good morning, ray or sorry, i should say good afternoon, ray okay, um, real quick, my man ray is from the in between the ropes uh podcast uh tell everyone what uh! What day and time it comes on, yeah uh, so we we do review, put them on pretty enough.
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All right.
Let’S get right into it, khan and brooke um.
The reason why, even though both these guys were a little bit older in their careers um, i was still – i was still looking forward to this fight.
Just for the simple fact is that it’s always a good fight when the two guys legit don’t like each other, all right, um, you know whatever might have been different earlier in their careers.
Just for the simple fact like you know, they both already paid they’re, both millionaires.
They didn’t need to have this fight.
You know it’s not like.
They just took this fight for a payday.
They took this fight because they really both don’t like each other and um.
You know and want to get it on what up to randy mom my bad randy.
Sorry you couldn’t get in.
I know you have some technical difficulties, but uh thanks for thanks for being here, um just randy just say whatever you want in the chat we’ll make sure that uh to pull it up too um.
I was not to say this is the scorecard, but it wasn’t much of a scorecard to uh to score yesterday.
Um.
The second.
The only round i gave to khan was the second round, and actually you know what, even in the first round before he almost got stopped.
I had khan winning that first round up until he got touched.
I don’t know how you felt like specifically the first round.
There’S only six rounds, we might as well go through the whole thing, specifically um, specifically the first round i had khan winning up until he got caught and then almost almost stopped.
So even though it could have been a 10-8 round.
I still had that first round at 10-9 round for brooke um second round i had it second run is the only run i gave to khan by accident in my scorecard that i posted it was um, i put nine nine by accident, but it’s supposed to be Ten nine um for khan um.
That was the only round i had for him and then from there it was uh um brook just just steamrolling.
I guess the one.
The third round.
I marked it as a close round, even though i still had it for brooke, but everything else was just a steam roll.
I i had the first round um kind of similar to you: corn was winning the early shades, but um brooke landed the clean, harder shot.
Uh he hurt him with a jab which wasn’t a power punch, but that’s how shot khan was uh, don’t get me wrong? Ball fighters were shot, just calm was uh call was even worse than what brooke was, but nevertheless um brook on the first round.
I had kong one in the second round.
I had uh brooke winning the third round carmen in the fourth and then brooke winning round five, and then you know, obviously we know what happened in round six um.
So really i had it even by by the end around four and do we have it.
We all.
This is why this uh this particular show that you do so interesting cedric, because this will divide the most opinion scoring is subjective.
Yes, it really separates people that know what they’re talking about or experience boxing from those that, for four things, um clean hard, punching, uh ring, generalship, effective aggression and who’s got a better defense and it was funny because in round two, for example, the first two and A half minutes – amir khan was ticking three or maybe four out of those things that i’ve just said, but it was the last 30 or less 20 seconds around 2, where you had to lean towards brooke because he became aggressive.
His aggression became effective.
He landed harder, punches uh that had a greater effect on khan.
You could tell on his body he became the ring general by dictating the pace of the fight and fighting his fight, which was short in the mid-range uh, and his defense was better in the last 20 seconds.
So because i had a greater effect that, for me changed the course of the round which yeah yeah background.
You know just real, quick, real, quick just to make keep keep your thought there just want to bring in what randy said here uh he said, brooke landed.
So powerful his timing was great and, with the flush shots exactly his that’s, what i didn’t think brooke still had was the timing.
I i didn’t think he would have that timing and um ryan.
Just saying he’s agreeing with her with with us, except i didn’t give round round four to con exactly too that’s i want to know um your brief just explanation on right on round four, because i didn’t uh, i didn’t think it was close.
I thought brooke had that one, but the way he you kind of just like described it, there um, you think khan had most of the round and then and then yeah yeah yeah, and that’s that’s the way i scored it.
You know um, it’s just an example.
I was given there.
I thought, uh khan landed khan, threw a lot of flurries which uh he landed, so shots and phone fours and fives, as we say, four or five shots yeah.
But when those four or five shots like this flowing those one or two were landing uh, although it looked as though the majority of them were missing, one or two of them still were landing yes and then he was.
He was eventually getting back out of range.
So i liked that work um because he was it was his fight that ring generalship was cons because it was an outside fight.
Khan was doing his work and getting back on the outside kel brooke needed to work to get on the inside and he was struggling to do that um.
It was when i suppose, when he landed the body shot and then he got a bit closer to carl and he started to do his work on khan.
But when khan was doing his work on brooke, he was landing those one he was landing.
The ones and twos from the fours and fives he was thrown, but he’s also landed in some uppercuts as well yeah.
What you like – and i just felt as though that at that point the cleaner work was coming from amir khan, yeah yeah, yeah, uh yeah.
I definitely hear your explanation um yeah yeah.
I definitely saw that too.
Brook i mean khan was doing his thing on his toes, but it’s like his his his punch.
Resistance is just you know, especially as he’s getting older, just getting lower and lower um.
I again, i thought i thought khan would be able to with his with his long range and skills, be able to keep brook off him for, for you know, for the fight, but um khan was good.
I mean brooke was good at cutting cutting the ring off and then um looking for that one specific shot that you know that he’s trying to land as soon as khan would duck his head and hold he’d look for the uppercut lift his head.
He’D come with with the overhand right um yeah.
One thing that i didn’t um take into consideration when i was making my prediction for this fight.
Is that the the weight difference i mean you could visually see that brook was was was bigger like just bigger? I didn’t realize until uh someone one of the athena’s laundry awards, someone brought it up that khan started his career at 135.
Was it 135? You said right: yeah yeah, he started like lightweight at 135 and brooke is a natural 147 um, and you know you can see that i i saw the difference in in their bodies and in there and of course, that extra weight that extra power um with a Low punch resistance from khan that uh, you know that was the major difference.
The question is now i don’t know, do you have anything more in the fight? Let me see what randy said here uh.
I think i leaned toward brooking the round four because of the more damage of his shots brooks seemed to walk through those shots, yeah yeah yeah, um kind of what you were saying right, dude he did um.
He brook took what army or khan was given.
So you could there’s an argument.
Look i mean there’s an argument to say: um brooke’s punches had more effect on khan, but calm was landing.
He was landing at will earlier on and not sorry not landing that well but out.
The combination was used for some of those shots were landing and and brooke wasn’t throwing at that particular point.
So for me, even though yeah he had some effective ones later in the round khan was outlandish earlier on and around and – and he was controlling the distance between was and brooks.
Eventually he did try to tell him, but that started around.
He wasn’t really.
He wasn’t timing him as effectively as he did later on um in the fight, not particularly in that round.
So that’s why i gave round four to amir khan.
That’S perfect! That’S why you know and, like you said, that’s why i love uh.
That’S why i started the show, because everyone could give their specific explanation.
Well, you know on internet people just rant and just you know, that’s it uh, and i think you know it’s it’s um.
Sometimes it’s about putting an educated rationale on you know it’s! It’S that easy to say: uh, i scored it to to khan and not give a description.
Why or even worse, just give it to khan, because the commentators give it to khan.
Yes, yes, that’s why whenever i watch a fight, i always turn the volume right down.
So i’ve got no idea what the commentators are saying: yeah, yeah yeah, you know.
So if i’m watching a fight in a discreet stream and it’s a foreign language, that’s music to my ears, because i’m not repeating what the commentators are saying, i’m just doing it off.
My own, you know, so somebody has disclosed it differently to me.
That’S okay, um, but i i’m always still able to give an explanation as to why i’ve scored it.
That particular way: nice, nice, nice um.
Where do they uh? Where do they both go from here? Because, obviously i mean khan, you know he’s good man i’ll, be, i hope he’s made enough to they can that he can just chill now maybe do some some some commentating yeah randy said he agrees with you too.
Sometimes we we listen with the volume on just just for that, for that same uh, yeah just sit there too um randy.
Where are they where they? Where do they? These guys, both go from here um personally, i think khan should should hang him up.
I was just saying like i hope he made enough money to they could just chill.
Maybe do some comment, commentating, um and uh, but i agree.
I agree i think khan’s.
He has made a lot of money from boxing he’s made some selling investments um.
I think he should walk away.
There’S nothing left for him to achieve he’s unified at the 140 division and he’s uh he’s fought.
You know he’s, i think, he’s four coming to was it 12 and four mile current world champions he’s won seven out those twelve um, and he only has time he only is like.
He only has four losses on his career.
Who is it canelo? Crawford he’s got golovkin, uh, sorry, he’s got canelo and he’s got uh, danny, garcia, obviously, kell brook he’s got brady’s prescott, um he’s got lemon peterson on there um, so yeah he’s he’s um well top level, guys uh, even lamont, peterson and lebron prescott.
That was early in his career, that was, that was uh.
Brienne’S prescott was early in his career, he’s down at 135 um, and then he had the uh loss to lamont peterson um.
Then he had the loss to uh, garcia um, you know, and then he had the uh, the canelo loss um.
You know that was a big.
That’S like you know.
I give you credit for that.
I i he stepped up coming from 135 through fought canelo like that’s, that’s, yeah, yeah and then don’t forget.
He still managed to get a fight against terence crawford as well.
So that’s that’s his loss.
So for me, he’s fought the best he’s got a great resume.
Walk away and kell brook i’d like to see him walk away too um cedric, because he wanted this fight so badly.
He doesn’t have the resume that i mean.
This is what we call in the uk, local, like a derby um.
You know lancashire versus yorkshire to create two great uh counties and areas in the uk and he’s got that win.
So you know he’s not going to win the world title he’s not going to win a world title in a one-way division, he’s not going to win one in this super welterweight division.
So you know he should walk away as well.
He’S also made a good bit of money.
Yeah people were saying the commentators were saying how you know, because he looked good, how we should consider you know continuing on, but i don’t.
I think it just might be looking good because it was against amir khan, not uh.
I don’t know how he gets one of the top guys in three hundred at this point of his career right, so yeah yeah, yeah um, that’s it for now.
I guess um um real, quick, uh um jones jones, real.
Tell me real quick about uh about um yeah natasha jones had a a fantastic win um.
You know.
For those that don’t know natasha jonas um, you know miss gb uh.
This was her third world title.
Attempt uh, she lost the first one at 130, pounds to terry harper, uh controversial decision.
In my opinion, she won that and then she fought at lightweight for the undisputed lightweight titles against katie taylor, which was a rematch of the 2012 boat in the olympics, which she also lost um, and she lost this uh grudge match.
If you like, uh at 135.
This one she’s stepping up to 154 seems a huge job, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah and uh.
She stopped she stopped her opponent from uruguay uh numerous and she stopped her.
She started convincing me second round yeah.
I saw i watched it and she dropped.
It was a nice con, wasn’t just a lucky punch like she.
It was a nice combination on the inside from the first dropper in the first round and then uh second round uh car with something with that like shot from the get go saturday.
She looked sharp when they get go.
You know she cut off the ring.
Well, she cut the distance down and you know every time she threw she was landing.
She had.
The measure of reporting from the get-go was fantastic, beautiful, yeah, yeah um.
I got about three minutes here, any more uh last thoughts on anything randy.
You got any last stops for to say just just go back onto the um to go back into the conference for what it was.
It was definitely entertaining yeah, but it just goes to show um.
I guess one of the reasons why you’re doing this show is is how you look at um when people have thrown flurries um, you know, is it? Is it the art of well they’ve thrown sick shots, but how many of those six shots are landing, and i think yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and and that’s why i could see that although amir khan threw six shots in a flurry, one or two of those were Landing and it’s interesting because ten years ago, when his fate was really first circulated, um would it have played out the same.
In my opinion, it wouldn’t have done because more of those shots from the flurries would have landed.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah and amir khan’s legs would have held up a little bit better.
It definitely would have got more rounds, then yeah that makes sense that makes sense yeah that makes it yeah it’s interesting.
What it would have happened earlier in their career because it’s like not uh, you know and the question the one thing that they were saying: um andre ward mentioned it because i think khan trained with virgil hunter for a bit is that you know you got ta In between fights he’s not in the gym like when, when he’s getting ready for a fight, he’s there every day focused a hundred percent, but in between fights a lot of you know just for all fighters.
That’S that’s where the kind of the damage happens and i’m not you know not necessarily, if he’s partying a lot, but just not being in the gym and not able to keep your skills sharp.
You know, that’s that’s what i was saying when we uh you know.
I was on your show earlier this week: um with him and and mike yeah amiens has a reputation for only being in a gym when it comes to having a date for a fight.
You need to be in a gym all the time and that’s that can be the difference.
Sometimes i think you age more as a fighter and i think it’s harder for you to learn.
That’S amir’s problem.
If you look at all these defeats, only six defeats he’s lost in very similar manner, he’s not making any any changes to his style.
He’S not developing his ring iq, and that was one of the flaws in the defeat which organized club broke.
Okay, yeah he’s passed.
It he’s passed it, but sometimes when he was throwing his shots, there’s no thought behind them.
Yeah it’s like.
He only has a plan, a plan, a doesn’t work like there’s, he doesn’t have a uh.
He can’t adjust or adapt to anything else, and he should be.
That’S the problem.
You know when he’s when he’s thrown in shots, he’s not thinking.
Okay, maybe i’ll circle to my left and throw this shot.
Maybe a circle to my right and throw this shot.
Puck kell broke off balance reset him.
He wasn’t doing any of that.
He was just throwing shots for the sake of throwing shots.
The idea was just overwhelming and catch him in that eye, but you know it just didn’t work.
No, no! No! All right man! I got ta get going.
Thank you very much again ray.
Thank you very much for your educated explanation and then your score card.
Thank you randy in the chat, also for your educated, uh explanation of your your scorecard and uh everybody listening out there please, you know i want to want your input, your scorecard, not just your opinion, all right, see you guys next week.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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